Why is lorry overtaking not banned?

Why is lorry overtaking not banned?

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DonkeyApple

55,257 posts

169 months

Thursday 17th August 2017
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Just buy less st you don't need. Then there would be fewer lorries on the road ferrying all that tat around. Sorted. wink

Or just take a chill pill. The fact that the earlier article referred to car drivers crashing in some kind of spaz attack after waiting a few minutes behind a lorry suggests that blokes with mental health issues shouldn't really go out driving.

Anglian Red

20 posts

80 months

Thursday 17th August 2017
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DonkeyApple said:
Or just take a chill pill. The fact that the earlier article referred to car drivers crashing in some kind of spaz attack after waiting a few minutes behind a lorry suggests that blokes with mental health issues shouldn't really go out driving.
That sounds like another version of Falling Down

DonkeyApple

55,257 posts

169 months

Friday 18th August 2017
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Anglian Red said:
DonkeyApple said:
Or just take a chill pill. The fact that the earlier article referred to car drivers crashing in some kind of spaz attack after waiting a few minutes behind a lorry suggests that blokes with mental health issues shouldn't really go out driving.
That sounds like another version of Falling Down
The bedsit version, none of the humour or style. Just Barry the Saddo losing his st because someone he deemed inferior to him in his home-made humanity scale chart had the temerity to hold up his frenzied rush to the next disappointing sales failure by 1 minute. biggrin

'Drivers of vehicles caught up in the resulting queues become frustrated and that leads to an increased risk of accidents and further traffic delays.'

What kind of tard goes and crashes due to frustration from a lorry being in front of them for a short period of time? They ought to stay at home with their Mum or carer keeping a closer eye on them.

jamei303

3,002 posts

156 months

Friday 18th August 2017
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Met one yesterday on the M11 who kept veering right as if to overtake the lorry in front, but kept backing off. I finally decided to go past and saw he had a Costa coffee cup in one hand and a mobile in the other, no doubt on Facebook.

Fun Bus

17,911 posts

218 months

Friday 18th August 2017
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Anglian Red said:
Isn't it a European law that speed limiters keeping them to 56mph is mandatory?

Maybe after Brexit we can let them go all the way to 60mph....
Yes, but more and more hauliers are lowering the limits of their vehicles in the name of economy (2mph really does make a difference to fuel costs).

May I say that you certainly seem to have it in for lorry drivers and the haulage industry.

Vipers

32,880 posts

228 months

Friday 18th August 2017
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Now if cars had limiters, wouldnt that be fun, who would not pull out to pass another car going 0.1 mph slower than them.

At the end of the day, does it make much difference to your time on the road getting to your destination if you have to wait for a truck to pass another.

F1GTRUeno

6,354 posts

218 months

Saturday 19th August 2017
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Fun Bus said:
Yes, but more and more hauliers are lowering the limits of their vehicles in the name of economy (2mph really does make a difference to fuel costs).

May I say that you certainly seem to have it in for lorry drivers and the haulage industry.
Given lorry drivers are invariably complete wkers and they clearly don't give a st about the loads they're carrying then it's a wonder more people don't have it in for the industry. Still remember when we had two clearly drunk drivers turn up to collect their loads in one day, was nice when the boys in blue turned up, anecdotes are fun.

Honestly how hard would it be to schedule things in so that all HGV driving is done with the majority of the journey taking place late at night? Roads are mainly clear, less frustration for everyone not in a HGV and easier for HGV drivers to get ahead of each other without having to worry about much smaller vehicles in their blind spots. Hell it'd be easier for the workers in the planning departments, admin departments and the warehouse workers too.

mjlloyd500

91 posts

86 months

Saturday 19th August 2017
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and do esssential repairs during the day.what a moby come back when you know what your talking about boy

trick3000tt

71 posts

214 months

Saturday 19th August 2017
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F1GTRUeno said:
Given lorry drivers are invariably complete wkers and they clearly don't give a st about the loads they're carrying then it's a wonder more people don't have it in for the industry. Still remember when we had two clearly drunk drivers turn up to collect their loads in one day, was nice when the boys in blue turned up, anecdotes are fun.

Honestly how hard would it be to schedule things in so that all HGV driving is done with the majority of the journey taking place late at night? Roads are mainly clear, less frustration for everyone not in a HGV and easier for HGV drivers to get ahead of each other without having to worry about much smaller vehicles in their blind spots. Hell it'd be easier for the workers in the planning departments, admin departments and the warehouse workers too.
1. A lot of firms run their trucks 24/7. If you elimainated the day shift you would need twice as many trucks, trailers and drivers operating only at night. That would make your shopping much more expensive.
2. If the trucks work only at night then all the people who load and unload them would also have to work only at night. You probably dont give a st about them or their families, but we will all wait for your thread moaning about how a truck has just woke you up at 3.00am delivering your neighbours new washing machine.
3. Have you ever driven through the night? Lots of roadworks take place between 10.00pm and 6.00am and chunks of the road network is closed. Traffic at night these days is as bad as it is during the day.

STILLJOE

705 posts

92 months

Saturday 19th August 2017
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F1GTRUeno said:
Given lorry drivers are invariably complete wkers and they clearly don't give a st about the loads they're carrying then it's a wonder more people don't have it in for the industry. Still remember when we had two clearly drunk drivers turn up to collect their loads in one day, was nice when the boys in blue turned up, anecdotes are fun.
got to love a sweeping generalisation, the reasoning of an utter biscuit.

Vipers

32,880 posts

228 months

Saturday 19th August 2017
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STILLJOE said:
F1GTRUeno said:
Given lorry drivers are invariably complete wkers and they clearly don't give a st about the loads they're carrying then it's a wonder more people don't have it in for the industry. Still remember when we had two clearly drunk drivers turn up to collect their loads in one day, was nice when the boys in blue turned up, anecdotes are fun.
got to love a sweeping generalisation, the reasoning of an utter biscuit.
Well said, but compared to all the gentlemen who drive cars and are curtius and abide by the HC, well............

heebeegeetee

28,735 posts

248 months

Saturday 19th August 2017
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F1GTRUeno said:
Honestly how hard would it be to schedule things in so that all HGV driving is done with the majority of the journey taking place late at night? Roads are mainly clear, less frustration for everyone not in a HGV and easier for HGV drivers to get ahead of each other without having to worry about much smaller vehicles in their blind spots. Hell it'd be easier for the workers in the planning departments, admin departments and the warehouse workers too.

Eh? All of this already happens, and has been going on for decades. How have you not seen this?

citizensm1th

8,371 posts

137 months

Saturday 19th August 2017
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How about this for a left field solution

motorways should only be for long distance travel city to city town to town etc

i notice most if not all traffic hold up hot spots are near large conurbations mainly made up of local traffic travelling between one or two junctions

restricting the number of junctions serving any one city or town would discourage local traffic from just popping on to the motorway and adding to the traffic levels.

never happen though

DonkeyApple

55,257 posts

169 months

Saturday 19th August 2017
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F1GTRUeno said:
Given lorry drivers are invariably complete wkers and they clearly don't give a st about the loads they're carrying then it's a wonder more people don't have it in for the industry. Still remember when we had two clearly drunk drivers turn up to collect their loads in one day, was nice when the boys in blue turned up, anecdotes are fun.

Honestly how hard would it be to schedule things in so that all HGV driving is done with the majority of the journey taking place late at night? Roads are mainly clear, less frustration for everyone not in a HGV and easier for HGV drivers to get ahead of each other without having to worry about much smaller vehicles in their blind spots. Hell it'd be easier for the workers in the planning departments, admin departments and the warehouse workers too.
Seems an odd view in a country where HGV drivers are clearly among the last remaining road users who know how to drive and have any form of manners.

I'll concern myself over HGV drivers when they stop indicating or saying thank you like the army of sad little men who cruise the motorways in the middle lane trying to pretend they are important people and so have no need to signal or display any form of basic human courtesy. Probably the same sad tools who aren't sufficiently emotionally developed to cope with sharing a motorway with HGV drivers.

carl_w

9,179 posts

258 months

Saturday 19th August 2017
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citizensm1th said:
How about this for a left field solution

motorways should only be for long distance travel city to city town to town etc

i notice most if not all traffic hold up hot spots are near large conurbations mainly made up of local traffic travelling between one or two junctions

restricting the number of junctions serving any one city or town would discourage local traffic from just popping on to the motorway and adding to the traffic levels.

never happen though
This is already part of motorway planning and the scenario you describe is called "junction hopping"

citizensm1th

8,371 posts

137 months

Saturday 19th August 2017
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carl_w said:
citizensm1th said:
How about this for a left field solution

motorways should only be for long distance travel city to city town to town etc

i notice most if not all traffic hold up hot spots are near large conurbations mainly made up of local traffic travelling between one or two junctions

restricting the number of junctions serving any one city or town would discourage local traffic from just popping on to the motorway and adding to the traffic levels.

never happen though
This is already part of motorway planning and the scenario you describe is called "junction hopping"
well the planners are not doing the job very well

the m1 from jct 21 to 26 is a clusterfk due to local traffic

a few of those junctions should be exit only

anonymous-user

54 months

Saturday 19th August 2017
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F1GTRUeno said:
Given lorry drivers are invariably complete wkers and they clearly don't give a st about the loads they're carrying then it's a wonder more people don't have it in for the industry. Still remember when we had two clearly drunk drivers turn up to collect their loads in one day, was nice when the boys in blue turned up, anecdotes are fun.

Honestly how hard would it be to schedule things in so that all HGV driving is done with the majority of the journey taking place late at night? Roads are mainly clear, less frustration for everyone not in a HGV and easier for HGV drivers to get ahead of each other without having to worry about much smaller vehicles in their blind spots. Hell it'd be easier for the workers in the planning departments, admin departments and the warehouse workers too.
Oh dear......

C.A.R.

3,967 posts

188 months

Saturday 19th August 2017
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Had fun yesterday with a lorry trying to overtake - not on a motorway this time though...

The A421 towards Bletchley had a set of traffic lights just at a pinch point going from two lanes to one.

I was already in the right hand lane coming off the previous roundabout, and pulled up next to the lorry. He was not about to be overtaken though.

Despite his best efforts, even jumping the red light by a couple of seconds to make his 'getaway' he wasn't going to outrun a car from the lights. So adamant that he wouldn't be overtaken without being deeply offended, he let ripp his OTT multi-tone horn just as soon as the lanes merged.

WTF goes through these folks minds? Is a basic competency test not applicable before getting behind the wheel of something that big and heavy?

To what advantage would he have over being in front anyway, considering we had to sit in traffic from that point onwards barely breaking 50mph?

He was really, really angry at something (me, presumably) because he kept flashing his lights and tailgating despite the traffic. I did something I don't like doing but will admit to, and slowed right down. Going 30, not 40mph. Turns out this is really boring too, but bullying tactics only serve to slow you down Mr lorry driver.

The pattern continued for miles and miles. Him tailgating, me slowing down for a bit, then maintaining a steady gap between me and the traffic in front. Lessons not learned, tailgating continued, so at every roundabout I HAD to come to a complete stop, despite there being nothing coming.

Thing is, you couldn't have made better progress, the traffic in front was slow. Not as slow as the mind of the neanderthal operating the lorry, though.

ZX10R NIN

27,595 posts

125 months

Saturday 19th August 2017
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To be honest the above happens with car/van drivers everyday of the week a tt is a tt.

XDA

2,141 posts

185 months

Saturday 19th August 2017
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DonkeyApple said:
I'll concern myself over HGV drivers when they stop indicating or saying thank you
Already happening.