Why is lorry overtaking not banned?
Discussion
citizensm1th said:
How about this for a left field solution
motorways should only be for long distance travel city to city town to town etc
i notice most if not all traffic hold up hot spots are near large conurbations mainly made up of local traffic travelling between one or two junctions
restricting the number of junctions serving any one city or town would discourage local traffic from just popping on to the motorway and adding to the traffic levels.
never happen though
This is quite common in the States, in busy areas they often have another road that runs close to the Interstate, the secondary road carries local traffic between the smaller junctions and you have a bigger intersection every 5 miles or so for "thru" traffic to join the main Interstate. motorways should only be for long distance travel city to city town to town etc
i notice most if not all traffic hold up hot spots are near large conurbations mainly made up of local traffic travelling between one or two junctions
restricting the number of junctions serving any one city or town would discourage local traffic from just popping on to the motorway and adding to the traffic levels.
never happen though
F1GTRUeno said:
Car/van drivers have vehicles quick enough for it not to be a bother though.
Yep, all car and van drivers never get in the way of others or indeed HGV's.That's what makes the overtaking bans that are in place now such a massive victory for you, keeping all those nasty slow HGV vehicles away from the 70mph lane so nothing can hold you up while you "make progress" on your very important journey , well, except for all those 3.5t to 7.5t restricted vehicles, oh and the various utility company vans with limiters, caravans, cars with trailers, supermarket delivery vans etc. A victory indeed.
Gotta love the HGV keyword, brings out the usual arse.
After your tripe about HGV night restrictions all we need is someone to cry about rail freight as an alternative and prostitute killing and it will be a full house.....
Nickyboy said:
This is quite common in the States, in busy areas they often have another road that runs close to the Interstate, the secondary road carries local traffic between the smaller junctions and you have a bigger intersection every 5 miles or so for "thru" traffic to join the main Interstate.
In Canada too - the "expressway" for through traffic and "collectors" for local traffic. This, coupled with the lack of speed differential between trucks and cars (the motorway limit is 100km/h and trucks are permitted to and easily capable of travelling at it) means that trucks simply aren't an issue.ZX10R NIN said:
To be honest the above happens with car/van drivers everyday of the week a t
t is a tt.
Yes. I had BMW man so close behind the other day that I couldn't see anything except bonnet and screen. 60mph NSL road, plenty of overttaking opportunities and I was down to 35- 40mph willing the moron to pass, but no, he just sat there. Far more car drivers than truckers do this, and if it had been a truck it would have been safe to just floor it anyway. With a car, you can't take the risk of the clown staying 4 feet away at 60mph, 70 mph, 80mph, whatever. t is a tt.
Perfect example today with this complete tosser in a Romanian registered lorry. If you squint, you can make out the white trailer above the red car. He refused to move into the inner lane, and you can see for yourself the size of the queue that was building behind him (stretching back a similar length behind me)
If I were driving a lorry in Lane 1 and I noticed another lorry in lane 2 overtaking me and taking minutes to do so, i'd just lift off for ten seconds and then get back up to speed.
I think a lot of the issue comes down to mentality and having to be the quickest.
If both drivers just keep their foot planted then its just down to whoever's limiter allows that extra 1-2mph over or which lorry weighs a little bit less.
I suspect from the Lorry driver's point of view in lane 1 they aren't doing anything wrong and are just going as fast as the vehicle allows.
SOLUTION - Install KERS on Lorrys that recharges every half hour. 30 second boost to overtake.
Problem solved.
I think a lot of the issue comes down to mentality and having to be the quickest.
If both drivers just keep their foot planted then its just down to whoever's limiter allows that extra 1-2mph over or which lorry weighs a little bit less.
I suspect from the Lorry driver's point of view in lane 1 they aren't doing anything wrong and are just going as fast as the vehicle allows.
SOLUTION - Install KERS on Lorrys that recharges every half hour. 30 second boost to overtake.
Problem solved.
At the end of the day car drivers and truck drivers are much the same, some good, some bad, and some shouldnt be on the road.
Yesterday on the A90 out of Aberdeen it is restricted to 50 for a while, so everyone poodles along side each other at 50, (I wonder if those average speed cameras have something to do with that), no probs, then NSL comes up, car in front of me in 2 passes the NSL sign and is still doing 50 but has just passed the last car in L1, do they move over NO.
I wait, do they increase speed, NO.
I try a gentle quick flash on the lights, do they do anything like increase speed or move over NO.
I try a tap on the horn, what happens? Absolutely fekking nothing. Still doing 50 with no cars in sight in L1.
Maybe they are going to turn right down the road, and havnt put the indicators on, so I decide to move into L1 and pass them carefully. I look in my mirror, do they turn right, NO.................................
Same day, I turn onto the A90, no slip road, but as you join the road on a T junction, there is a bus lay by, so as usual I wait in the lay be, checking my mirrors for a gap to pull out, along comes Mr nice guy in his artic, flashes and moves over to L2, I pull out sorted, flash him back in, get the obligatory thank you, no probs. So we shouldnt tar them all with the same brush.
Yesterday on the A90 out of Aberdeen it is restricted to 50 for a while, so everyone poodles along side each other at 50, (I wonder if those average speed cameras have something to do with that), no probs, then NSL comes up, car in front of me in 2 passes the NSL sign and is still doing 50 but has just passed the last car in L1, do they move over NO.
I wait, do they increase speed, NO.
I try a gentle quick flash on the lights, do they do anything like increase speed or move over NO.
I try a tap on the horn, what happens? Absolutely fekking nothing. Still doing 50 with no cars in sight in L1.
Maybe they are going to turn right down the road, and havnt put the indicators on, so I decide to move into L1 and pass them carefully. I look in my mirror, do they turn right, NO.................................
Same day, I turn onto the A90, no slip road, but as you join the road on a T junction, there is a bus lay by, so as usual I wait in the lay be, checking my mirrors for a gap to pull out, along comes Mr nice guy in his artic, flashes and moves over to L2, I pull out sorted, flash him back in, get the obligatory thank you, no probs. So we shouldnt tar them all with the same brush.
keslake said:
The worse offenders are those that start pulling out, then indicate and carrying on regardless of if there is traffic about to pass them on the outside.
That's more the issue I have a problem with. The main motorway driving I do is on the M25 or M4 and it's not normally that problematic if a lorry is overtaking another at 0.0001mph more than the other. Plenty of space to get round. Frustrating no doubt on dual carriageways though. I do object somewhat to their common practice of indicating and simultaneously changing lanes. Admittedly it's not just lorry drivers that do it but there seems to be this, "I'm indicating so it's my right of way" type mentality. Just more pronounced (and dangerous!) when a huge articulated lorry does it.
But then you run into that other problem of indicating, there being plenty of space to pull out but the car behind in the outer lane floors it to try and close the gap and block the person from a perfectly sensible manoeuvre.
It's amazing how many times you see a car in front of you suddenly start pulling away so as to specifically try and block someone from coming out round a slower vehicle.
Whether they are blocking other drivers, not thanking other drivers, not helping other cars overtake them, not moving over to the appropriate lane, just too many people being self centred, greedy and ill mannered.
It's amazing how many times you see a car in front of you suddenly start pulling away so as to specifically try and block someone from coming out round a slower vehicle.
Whether they are blocking other drivers, not thanking other drivers, not helping other cars overtake them, not moving over to the appropriate lane, just too many people being self centred, greedy and ill mannered.
I was thinking about this the other day, when driving back to Manchester, after a few days away in the Lake District. I did encounter a couple of lorries pulling out into lane 2 to overtake another lorrie in lane 1. It wasn't that annoying as it wasn't that busy so you could just quickly nip into lane 3 to overtake. if it was busy, on the other hand, then it could have been a different story but, then again, the lorrie may have chosen not to overtaken into lane 2 in that scenario.
The way i see it though, and this is coming from someone who usually gets frustrated at the inconsiderate actions of HGV drivers, they do have alot more forward planning to judge and consider than the equivalent car-driver(s).
I'll use an example here which could apply to large vehicles overtaking. SMART motorway system with 3 lanes, 50 mph speed limit with average speed cameras. Left lane is theoretically filled with dawdlers doing around 40mph. Middle lane is crowded by "over-takers" and/or hoggers doing around 45 mph. I proceed to pull into lane 3 doing around 50 mph, under 55mph anyway. While i'm slowly overtaking lane 2, so no to get clocked over the limit, someone comes barreling up behind me wanting to overtake and probably getting a bit peeved off in the process.
Am i selfish in wanting to overtake the slower drivers in lanes 1 and 2 but not as quickly or is the driver behind me selfish for expecting me to sit in a slower lane and not overtake? The above scenario has and does happen to me regardless.
The way i see it though, and this is coming from someone who usually gets frustrated at the inconsiderate actions of HGV drivers, they do have alot more forward planning to judge and consider than the equivalent car-driver(s).
I'll use an example here which could apply to large vehicles overtaking. SMART motorway system with 3 lanes, 50 mph speed limit with average speed cameras. Left lane is theoretically filled with dawdlers doing around 40mph. Middle lane is crowded by "over-takers" and/or hoggers doing around 45 mph. I proceed to pull into lane 3 doing around 50 mph, under 55mph anyway. While i'm slowly overtaking lane 2, so no to get clocked over the limit, someone comes barreling up behind me wanting to overtake and probably getting a bit peeved off in the process.
Am i selfish in wanting to overtake the slower drivers in lanes 1 and 2 but not as quickly or is the driver behind me selfish for expecting me to sit in a slower lane and not overtake? The above scenario has and does happen to me regardless.
culpz said:
I was thinking about this the other day, when driving back to Manchester, after a few days away in the Lake District. I did encounter a couple of lorries pulling out into lane 2 to overtake another lorrie in lane 1. It wasn't that annoying as it wasn't that busy so you could just quickly nip into lane 3 to overtake. if it was busy, on the other hand, then it could have been a different story but, then again, the lorrie may have chosen not to overtaken into lane 2 in that scenario.
The way i see it though, and this is coming from someone who usually gets frustrated at the inconsiderate actions of HGV drivers, they do have alot more forward planning to judge and consider than the equivalent car-driver(s).
I'll use an example here which could apply to large vehicles overtaking. SMART motorway system with 3 lanes, 50 mph speed limit with average speed cameras. Left lane is theoretically filled with dawdlers doing around 40mph. Middle lane is crowded by "over-takers" and/or hoggers doing around 45 mph. I proceed to pull into lane 3 doing around 50 mph, under 55mph anyway. While i'm slowly overtaking lane 2, so no to get clocked over the limit, someone comes barreling up behind me wanting to overtake and probably getting a bit peeved off in the process.
Am i selfish in wanting to overtake the slower drivers in lanes 1 and 2 but not as quickly or is the driver behind me selfish for expecting me to sit in a slower lane and not overtake? The above scenario has and does happen to me regardless.
Reminds me of something on the lines of a Brazilian motor sport correspondent said The way i see it though, and this is coming from someone who usually gets frustrated at the inconsiderate actions of HGV drivers, they do have alot more forward planning to judge and consider than the equivalent car-driver(s).
I'll use an example here which could apply to large vehicles overtaking. SMART motorway system with 3 lanes, 50 mph speed limit with average speed cameras. Left lane is theoretically filled with dawdlers doing around 40mph. Middle lane is crowded by "over-takers" and/or hoggers doing around 45 mph. I proceed to pull into lane 3 doing around 50 mph, under 55mph anyway. While i'm slowly overtaking lane 2, so no to get clocked over the limit, someone comes barreling up behind me wanting to overtake and probably getting a bit peeved off in the process.
Am i selfish in wanting to overtake the slower drivers in lanes 1 and 2 but not as quickly or is the driver behind me selfish for expecting me to sit in a slower lane and not overtake? The above scenario has and does happen to me regardless.
Anyone driving an inch behind me is a fekking idiot, and anyone driving an inch in front of me shouldn't be on the roads. Or,something g on those lines. No doubt someone will correct me.
Joeguard1990 said:
If I were driving a lorry in Lane 1 and I noticed another lorry in lane 2 overtaking me and taking minutes to do so, i'd just lift off for ten seconds and then get back up to speed.
I think a lot of the issue comes down to mentality and having to be the quickest.
If both drivers just keep their foot planted then its just down to whoever's limiter allows that extra 1-2mph over or which lorry weighs a little bit less.
I suspect from the Lorry driver's point of view in lane 1 they aren't doing anything wrong and are just going as fast as the vehicle allows.
SOLUTION - Install KERS on Lorrys that recharges every half hour. 30 second boost to overtake.
Problem solved.
It's not about power... Modern trucks will sit at 80mph all day long. I think a lot of the issue comes down to mentality and having to be the quickest.
If both drivers just keep their foot planted then its just down to whoever's limiter allows that extra 1-2mph over or which lorry weighs a little bit less.
I suspect from the Lorry driver's point of view in lane 1 they aren't doing anything wrong and are just going as fast as the vehicle allows.
SOLUTION - Install KERS on Lorrys that recharges every half hour. 30 second boost to overtake.
Problem solved.
It's about how accurately their speed limiters have been calibrated.
Joeguard1990 said:
If I were driving a lorry in Lane 1 and I noticed another lorry in lane 2 overtaking me and taking minutes to do so, i'd just lift off for ten seconds and then get back up to speed.
You say that, but when it takes bloody ages to regain lost speed you might not be so keen. The bottom line is that drivers should not be attempting overtakes that they can not complete in a reasonable time. That applies to all traffic be it HGVs, vans, motorhomes/caravanists or the tossers in cars that seem to take a perverse delight in travelling at the speed of an HGV + 0.5mph.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff