Another cyclist dies in London
Discussion
Digby said:
Me too, rather than naughty drivers who leave a wheel nut in a box junction and get fined £80 etc.
It would certainly make a lot of pedestrians, cab drivers, HGV drivers, other cyclists and car and van drivers a lot happier to see something done on a regular basis about cyclists who simply couldn't give a f
k about anything because they know they won't be caught, or those who for some utterly bizarre reason have no clue how to be a safe rider.
You seem to speak with the authority of a lot of people. What is the basis for that?It would certainly make a lot of pedestrians, cab drivers, HGV drivers, other cyclists and car and van drivers a lot happier to see something done on a regular basis about cyclists who simply couldn't give a f
k about anything because they know they won't be caught, or those who for some utterly bizarre reason have no clue how to be a safe rider.Speaking for myself (as a driver, pedestrian, cyclist) I would prefer for the police to enforce all road laws. There is simply no basis for focusing on cyclists to the exclusion of others. It is completely irrational.
Hatred of cyclists stems from a loud but tiny minority. Like all extremists (hence the term).
PS - how many drivers have been fined £80 for leaving a "wheel nut" in a box junction?
Digby said:
You are trying to be clever again rather than have an adult discussion. A path well-trodden. Perhaps you don't realise you are even doing it?
For the record, I have never seen any killed. Have seen a few hit and several hit other things, though. I have no clue what that has to do with such a selfish and moronic act anyway. It often relies on others having to make sure such selfish riders do not get injured or killed and as Heebee says above, that's not right, is it?
Quickly now, dig deep and find something else creative to say so you can pat yourself on the back and sit back all smug in your chair.
It's okay. Your commitment to help cyclists see the dangers they face is to be applauded. Keep up the good work!For the record, I have never seen any killed. Have seen a few hit and several hit other things, though. I have no clue what that has to do with such a selfish and moronic act anyway. It often relies on others having to make sure such selfish riders do not get injured or killed and as Heebee says above, that's not right, is it?
Quickly now, dig deep and find something else creative to say so you can pat yourself on the back and sit back all smug in your chair.
will_ said:
Killboy said:
Digby said:
Quite a few mentioned in this thread for a start. Unless death is now being used as some form of ammo for you to make a point. How lovely.
Not at all. I cant find the stats for the number of cyclists killed skipping traffic lights, but I'm sure based on your experiences there is a lot.P/C fails to give way or disobeys junction control and hits other vehicle = 4
Other vehicle fails to give way or disobeys junction control and hits P/C = 2
The previous one showed something different, again double the numbers of cyvlists were killed as a result of their own RLJing compared to that by other vehicles.
All in the interest of picking up carefully selective reporting of the situation.
Of course these incidents, as tragic as they individually are, comparatively are very few measured against other causes which should imo get more attention.
Off back under my bridge, if neither side can hold a sensible honest argument then you fully deserve being called out on it.
will_ said:
It's a bit unfortunate that in the road safety crackdowns the drivers are handed more tickets than the cyclists - makes a nonsense of the claim that "breaking the law" is only a problem with cyclists.
There was a crackdown recently where a surprisingly large number of cyclists received tickets in comparison to motorists.will_ said:
You seem to speak with the authority of a lot of people. What is the basis for that?
Speaking for myself (as a driver, pedestrian, cyclist) I would prefer for the police to enforce all road laws. There is simply no basis for focusing on cyclists to the exclusion of others. It is completely irrational.
Hatred of cyclists stems from a loud but tiny minority. Like all extremists (hence the term).
PS - how many drivers have been fined £80 for leaving a "wheel nut" in a box junction?
Please Sir! I know this one!Speaking for myself (as a driver, pedestrian, cyclist) I would prefer for the police to enforce all road laws. There is simply no basis for focusing on cyclists to the exclusion of others. It is completely irrational.
Hatred of cyclists stems from a loud but tiny minority. Like all extremists (hence the term).
PS - how many drivers have been fined £80 for leaving a "wheel nut" in a box junction?
It's absolutely none at all. They were all fined for failing to obey a fairly simple rule. After all, yellow lines on a dark background are VERY easy to spot, and the rule is very simple to understand. But the idiots who were "taxed" for "getting caught out" in a yellow box will stroke their beards and tell you that it was "wholly unavoidable" and that they are "forced to take a risk" otherwise "no-one would ever get anywhere" in London.
Even outside of London, there are angry, arrogant a
holes who believe that the box junction rules do not apply to them. I know. Shocking, isn't it? That we've ALL witnessed abysmal driving by fellow "drivers", who control tonnes of metal that can quite easily kill or maim, yet there is a vocal minority that want the Police to drop everything and issue fines to "cyclists" who ignore red lights.
I'm confused by this, because on the one hand, every time I see a news story about such things, the red light/box junction/speed camera in the story is regarded as being somehow "unfair" and "a tax on innocent motorists" and the poor motorists are being treated as "a cash cow". Yet in the same breath, these utter bell-ends are clamouring for "more enforcement" and "more fines" for offences committed by "cyclists".
Another shocking level of hypocrisy right there. "I want a world where I'm free to drive as badly as I please, breaking speed limits and ignoring a plethora of other rules with complete impunity, despite the damage my inattention could cause to innocent bystanders", yet "I want a draconian system of punitive fines aimed solely at a relatively small road-user group who pose little or no threat to the safety of others, yet risk getting themselves injured if their risk-taking goes wrong".
Absolute insanity...
Yet in ALL that ranting, you cannot bring yourself to blame BOTH sides, you really are not the voice of reason in this thread by a wind margin.
I would say you are also part of the problem with this thread as you also stuggle to accept that BOTH drivers AND cyclists cause serious (but different) problems for other road users, themselves and pedestrians. These problems effect everybody who does follow the rules, the sooner posters here agree to accept this basic and simple fact maybe the discussion can move on.
I would say you are also part of the problem with this thread as you also stuggle to accept that BOTH drivers AND cyclists cause serious (but different) problems for other road users, themselves and pedestrians. These problems effect everybody who does follow the rules, the sooner posters here agree to accept this basic and simple fact maybe the discussion can move on.
cb1965 said:
Well I don't know for sure as I have no proof of course,
That has never inhibited you thus far. cb1965 said:
but seeing as you see fit to operate that way towards me I thought
Ah. That’s where it all went wrong. You thought. Lack of practice let you down. cb1965 said:
PS For the record
For the record? You actually think anyone cares? There’s no “record” outside the imaginings of drama queens. cb1965 said:
I never report posts, if you have to go running to teacher than you probably need to toughen up or go and find something else to do... it's just an Internet forum for goodness sake!
Well aren’t you the tough guy. Looking after yourself in the playground like a wannabe year 7 in primary school. If you can’t keep a civil tongue in your head, and the evidence shows you are wholly incapable of maintaining that simple discipline, perhaps discourse isn’t for you. ETA: I’m done with this now. Your dull witted trolling bores me. Keep it up you like. I doubt anyone cares, and I’m certain no one is persuaded.
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 19th November 23:25
yellowjack said:
Please Sir! I know this one!
It's absolutely none at all. They were all fined for failing to obey a fairly simple rule. After all, yellow lines on a dark background are VERY easy to spot, and the rule is very simple to understand. But the idiots who were "taxed" for "getting caught out" in a yellow box will stroke their beards and tell you that it was "wholly unavoidable" and that they are "forced to take a risk" otherwise "no-one would ever get anywhere" in London.
Some of which is often very true. In fact, someone posted here not so long ago asking for examples and was given several. Fortunately not all have cameras on them.It's absolutely none at all. They were all fined for failing to obey a fairly simple rule. After all, yellow lines on a dark background are VERY easy to spot, and the rule is very simple to understand. But the idiots who were "taxed" for "getting caught out" in a yellow box will stroke their beards and tell you that it was "wholly unavoidable" and that they are "forced to take a risk" otherwise "no-one would ever get anywhere" in London.
After a great deal of money was earned for several years, there was a certain London junction changed after constant ongoing complaints as even bus drivers were getting fined trying to cross it every day. Why would they change it I wonder if only those getting caught were those who didn't care about the rules?
Never let the fact that the authorities in charge of such junctions actually agreed and made changes get in the way, though. Not when you can have a dig at motorists.
As for your other comments, they are a pretty standard type of response on here when people do not like what they are reading.
Edited by Digby on Sunday 19th November 23:18
The Dangerous Elk said:
Yet in ALL that ranting, you cannot bring yourself to blame BOTH sides, you really are not the voice of reason in this thread by a wind margin.
I would say you are also part of the problem with this thread as you also stuggle to accept that BOTH drivers AND cyclists cause serious (but different) problems for other road users, themselves and pedestrians. These problems effect everybody who does follow the rules, the sooner posters here agree to accept this basic and simple fact maybe the discussion can move on.
I would say you are also part of the problem with this thread as you also stuggle to accept that BOTH drivers AND cyclists cause serious (but different) problems for other road users, themselves and pedestrians. These problems effect everybody who does follow the rules, the sooner posters here agree to accept this basic and simple fact maybe the discussion can move on.
DoubleD said:
Its funny how each poster only ever sees things that fit their argument ( and no i am not specifically talking about the post above)
You get really bad road use by all. Close passes(by any road user), no lights when dark( by any road user) etc etc
I went off-road cycling in the park over weekend, taking the bike on the car.You get really bad road use by all. Close passes(by any road user), no lights when dark( by any road user) etc etc
When driving through the park, I am happy to report that many road cyclists did have lights.
Unfortunately they didn't realise that they should be aimed a bit down, so as a driver you were made very uncomfortable with a stupidly bright light shining at you each time one went past.
will_ said:
It's a bit unfortunate that in the road safety crackdowns the drivers are handed more tickets than the cyclists - makes a nonsense of the claim that "breaking the law" is only a problem with cyclists.
Yeah because it's easy to identify and ticket cyclists, what with their registration plates etc. TroubledSoul said:
will_ said:
It's a bit unfortunate that in the road safety crackdowns the drivers are handed more tickets than the cyclists - makes a nonsense of the claim that "breaking the law" is only a problem with cyclists.
Yeah because it's easy to identify and ticket cyclists, what with their registration plates etc. yellowjack said:
Please Sir! I know this one!
It's absolutely none at all. They were all fined for failing to obey a fairly simple rule. After all, yellow lines on a dark background are VERY easy to spot, and the rule is very simple to understand. But the idiots who were "taxed" for "getting caught out" in a yellow box will stroke their beards and tell you that it was "wholly unavoidable" and that they are "forced to take a risk" otherwise "no-one would ever get anywhere" in London.
Even outside of London, there are angry, arrogant aholes who believe that the box junction rules do not apply to them.
I know. Shocking, isn't it? That we've ALL witnessed abysmal driving by fellow "drivers", who control tonnes of metal that can quite easily kill or maim, yet there is a vocal minority that want the Police to drop everything and issue fines to "cyclists" who ignore red lights.
I'm confused by this, because on the one hand, every time I see a news story about such things, the red light/box junction/speed camera in the story is regarded as being somehow "unfair" and "a tax on innocent motorists" and the poor motorists are being treated as "a cash cow". Yet in the same breath, these utter bell-ends are clamouring for "more enforcement" and "more fines" for offences committed by "cyclists".
Another shocking level of hypocrisy right there. "I want a world where I'm free to drive as badly as I please, breaking speed limits and ignoring a plethora of other rules with complete impunity, despite the damage my inattention could cause to innocent bystanders", yet "I want a draconian system of punitive fines aimed solely at a relatively small road-user group who pose little or no threat to the safety of others, yet risk getting themselves injured if their risk-taking goes wrong".
Absolute insanity...
The rule about red lights meaning stop is also very simple to understand.It's absolutely none at all. They were all fined for failing to obey a fairly simple rule. After all, yellow lines on a dark background are VERY easy to spot, and the rule is very simple to understand. But the idiots who were "taxed" for "getting caught out" in a yellow box will stroke their beards and tell you that it was "wholly unavoidable" and that they are "forced to take a risk" otherwise "no-one would ever get anywhere" in London.
Even outside of London, there are angry, arrogant a
holes who believe that the box junction rules do not apply to them. I know. Shocking, isn't it? That we've ALL witnessed abysmal driving by fellow "drivers", who control tonnes of metal that can quite easily kill or maim, yet there is a vocal minority that want the Police to drop everything and issue fines to "cyclists" who ignore red lights.
I'm confused by this, because on the one hand, every time I see a news story about such things, the red light/box junction/speed camera in the story is regarded as being somehow "unfair" and "a tax on innocent motorists" and the poor motorists are being treated as "a cash cow". Yet in the same breath, these utter bell-ends are clamouring for "more enforcement" and "more fines" for offences committed by "cyclists".
Another shocking level of hypocrisy right there. "I want a world where I'm free to drive as badly as I please, breaking speed limits and ignoring a plethora of other rules with complete impunity, despite the damage my inattention could cause to innocent bystanders", yet "I want a draconian system of punitive fines aimed solely at a relatively small road-user group who pose little or no threat to the safety of others, yet risk getting themselves injured if their risk-taking goes wrong".
Absolute insanity...
People want a level playing field, not more fines for cyclists just because. You are either enforcing the rules for everybody or not at all. Singling one group out because it's much easier just isn't on.
TroubledSoul said:
What's that about sarcasm being the lowest form of wit?
You do understand how automated enforcement cameras work, and why they won't catch cyclists only motorists, right??
Yeah. No, I agree. I think you right. Number plates should be required so you can catch naughty cyclists. Obviously you'll have to think about how you will ensure a bicycle will have one, and people wont clone or use others. So hire some more police? Maybe set up something like the DVLC which you have to register new bikes to? Maybe a yearly MOT style checkup? All to solve what problem really?You do understand how automated enforcement cameras work, and why they won't catch cyclists only motorists, right??
cb1965 said:
No, you have equated 10mph over the limit on a clear dry motorway with being the same as wilfully cycling like a complete tt. That's your problem not mine and certainly isn't proof of anything.
err.....where was the assertion that someone said driving at 10mph over the limit on a clear dry motorway is the same as wilfully cycling like a complete tt. That's your problem not mine and certainly isn't proof of anything. t?Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff