RE: Ford Fiesta ST Revo: Driven

RE: Ford Fiesta ST Revo: Driven

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neil1jnr

1,235 posts

94 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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Studio117 said:
I want to like these and they are really affordable, especially on lease. But i just couldn't live with such a boring engine.
The engine is miles away from boring.

I have the Mountune stage 1 and the engine is just brilliant. The torque at the bottom and mid range is unbelievable for a small hatch, torque to weight ratio is higher than most 2L tdi's. The top end is just as good, it will rev all the way to 6500rpm before power tails off and you get a small vtec like kick from 5-6K rpm.

I only second the engine to the handling of the car. smile

threespires

3,119 posts

150 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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Amazing, today's 1600cc shopping trolley does a 1/4 mile in the same time as an AC Cobra :- 13.7 secs. And will achieve c50 mpg.
One has to admire today's engineers

Studio117

4,250 posts

130 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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neil1jnr said:
Studio117 said:
I want to like these and they are really affordable, especially on lease. But i just couldn't live with such a boring engine.
The engine is miles away from boring.

I have the Mountune stage 1 and the engine is just brilliant. The torque at the bottom and mid range is unbelievable for a small hatch, torque to weight ratio is higher than most 2L tdi's. The top end is just as good, it will rev all the way to 6500rpm before power tails off and you get a small vtec like kick from 5-6K rpm.

I only second the engine to the handling of the car. smile
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Chicane-UK

3,860 posts

124 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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Studio117 said:
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Why not elaborate on what makes it so dull? Have you driven one yet?

Studio117

4,250 posts

130 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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Chicane-UK said:
Studio117 said:
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Why not elaborate on what makes it so dull? Have you driven one yet?
See my bold above.

I've driven the non st version a number of times. Good fun.

I just don't like boring low revving small capacity turbo engines.

The giddy heights of 6500 rpm!!

I concede that's not fords fault though.



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neil1jnr

1,235 posts

94 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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Studio117 said:
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It's more exciting than the VVTLi engine I had in my celica and that went up past 8000rpm

Studio117

4,250 posts

130 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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horses for courses really.

Chicane-UK

3,860 posts

124 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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Horses for courses as you say. Got to be honest, I prefer a nice slug of turbo torque rather than having to rinse an engine up to the red-line to get it to move at any pace!

neil1jnr

1,235 posts

94 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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Studio117 said:
See my bold above.

I've driven the non st version a number of times. Good fun.

I just don't like boring low revving small capacity turbo engines.

The giddy heights of 6500 rpm!!

I concede that's not fords fault though.
Like my last post it is more entertaining than the 8000rpm Celica I had.

In comparison to other turbo 4 pots it's much more entertaining.

Soupie69uk

609 posts

156 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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The Revo website states that stage 3 is around 250bhp and you need a bigger turbo.

GregK2

1,253 posts

85 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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"Stage 3 allows for even more gains all the way to 7200rpm rev limit"

rburtonshaw

1 posts

50 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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Terminator X said:
"The 280hp Stage 3 car with a limited-slip diff and bigger brakes should be amazing."

How do these powerfully built FWD cars put all that power down?!

TX.
its not as bad as people make out, a well sorted suspension helps a lot, FWD have a bad rep because a couple of firms put powerful engines in st chassis, (saab and Vauxhall) and Clarkson said fwd can only take 300hp max about 15 years ago

angelicupstarts

257 posts

70 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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threespires said:
Amazing, today's 1600cc shopping trolley does a 1/4 mile in the same time as an AC Cobra :- 13.7 secs. And will achieve c50 mpg.
One has to admire today's engineers
i have the cobra 427 at 4.3 sec to 60 and quarter mile in 12 sec ..
but point taken that 2014 hatch is close to 1950's tech ....... http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/imgs/4.gif

redroadster

860 posts

171 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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Hope the rumour of an rs fiesta is true if they can do bodywork close to rally version will look best rs for years.



















alangla

1,739 posts

120 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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Chicane-UK said:
I've had an ST now for a month. It's honestly a superb little car. I got the piss taken mercilessly by one of my colleagues about it being a chavvy hot hatch, but it's simply so fast and so capable, not to mention (mostly) well appointed inside not sure it really deserves that kind of reputation any more? It feels like quite a step up from the previous generation in so many respects.

Keep thinking about the Mountune upgrade but honestly with 200BHP (in overboost) and with the car not being all that flabby, not sure it really needs any more power as it's brisk enough!

The firm ride would be my only complaint - it is extremely unforgiving. That and the fuel economy not being anywhere near what they say it should be (Ford claim approx. 50MPG in extra-urban driving, I've not been able to best mid 30's - and that was driving like a granny!).

Edited by Chicane-UK on Thursday 29th January 13:29
I've got the MP215 kit on mine, although the out & out power isn't hugely different, delivery is improved & (IMHO!) the car feels more tractable at lower engine speeds. Basically it'll take off if you stick your foot down at anything over 2000rpm in any gear, pre-Mountune it took a bit of time to wind up. Fuel economy on mine was mid-30s when I got it, maybe lost 1mpg with the Mountune kit, but it's now up to about 38mpg, that's after 15k miles of mainly Motorway driving running on Shell V-Power. My only real regret is that the ST3 wasn't available when I bought it - cruise control would have been nice for all the dull motorway runs.

threespires

3,119 posts

150 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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angelicupstarts said:
threespires said:
Amazing, today's 1600cc shopping trolley does a 1/4 mile in the same time as an AC Cobra :- 13.7 secs. And will achieve c50 mpg.
One has to admire today's engineers
i have the cobra 427 at 4.3 sec to 60 and quarter mile in 12 sec ..
but point taken that 2014 hatch is close to 1950's tech ....... http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/imgs/4.gif
Lucky you with a 427 - I'd love a ride ☺
I was thinking more original AC Cobra 289, like wot I had.
This is a 260 road test :-
http://www.carbuildindex.com/27337/september-1962-...

Edited by threespires on Thursday 29th January 18:56

GreenArrow

1,554 posts

56 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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What an ace car! At £20,950 all up, it certainly makes cars like the Megane Trophy seem well over-priced. The standard car did a 1:30.4 lap of Bedford's Autodrome for an EVO track test, would love to know what this car would do! Take a fair few scalps I reckon.

s m

17,230 posts

142 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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J4CKO said:
Had a little dice with one of these in my 350Z, was like a Fat Labrador chasing a Jack Russell.
They do go very well, even as standard. I like the dark blue colour and there seems to a growing number of mods for suspension/engine

RenOHH

6,942 posts

137 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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More power/torque isn't what the ST needs IMO. If I could have anything to boost the enjoyment of the car it would be a more natural and characterful engine note. The symposer is good, but you can tell it's somewhat artificial. The steering feels a bit lifeless until you are really shifting along a good road. If there was any way that could be improved, I would buy that upgrade!

ETA: After my comment below, what it actually needs is a better gear box.

Edited by RenOHH on Thursday 29th January 22:04

RenOHH

6,942 posts

137 months

Thursday 29th January 2015
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neil1jnr said:
The engine is miles away from boring.

I have the Mountune stage 1 and the engine is just brilliant. The torque at the bottom and mid range is unbelievable for a small hatch, torque to weight ratio is higher than most 2L tdi's. The top end is just as good, it will rev all the way to 6500rpm before power tails off and you get a small vtec like kick from 5-6K rpm.

I only second the engine to the handling of the car. smile
But in standard form it is a little bit boring - and is it really transformed so much by the MP215 kit? As standard it's fast but it just isn't that exciting for me. I will admit that coming to this from an S2000 isn't helping matters. 1st and 2nd gears are torque limited, and I think it's really noticeable. I find the car noticeably slower in those gears, and as soon as you get into 3rd gear with the turbo spooled up things get a lot more interesting. The Renault F4R (Clio 172/182 engine) is much, much better with no modifications. But it only had to meet EU2, instead of EU5. Modern times eh.