RE: Ferrari 488GTB: Driven

[Dagnut]

PunterCam said:

Dagnut said:

PunterCam said:

"Because, really, all we want to know is just how fast the 488 GTB?" - Well, no, not really. Obviously it'll be faster than the old one - Ferrari are a business with a marketing department. It won't be as fast as the next one though. Just like all mass-produced sports cars. I'd like Ferrari to "do" an F50.

That graph and the sounds from the video - looks like Ferrari haven't done quite all we (I) were(was) lead to believe. Drop off after 6k, limited torque in low gears to make it "feel" bett... you know, I don't even care. It sounds like something fiat would do to make a warm punto feel a little snappier. It's computer code and automatic gearbox trying to make up for actual mechanical excitement, and it bores me. And it sounds crap, sadly.

It looks alright, but so did the 458... Apart from the looks and the interior, which are Ferrari and distinctive, the specs could be Audi. Even the 'effin Germans are still making high-revving atmospherics! What a funny world. It's not an irrational hate people have towards turbos - we dislike them because they aren't as good. They don't come close.

Boring? I would you love to see you manage a 660bhp car without electronic aids...this hero purist bullst is getting tiresome now.
Yes we all prefer manuals, Yes we all prefer N/A..but what are Ferrari to do..how could you make a 660bhp N/A V8 in a production car and keep in under 200k and 7 litres?
The car has to be competitive and Mclarens where getting to far away, I don't buy any of the emissions cr@p with this car its all about performance, this engine gives them scoop to hit 700-750 if they need to and they probably will, no doubt McLaren will get there quicker.

Oh stop it. It's nothing to do managing a 660bhp car and being "a hero" - who fking cares. What happens when the McLarens get "too far away"? Nothing? Because it's not a race? Because it's a road car built for a bit of fun - an expensive toy?

You obviously care because you say the same thing on every thread, no manual and turbo not for real drivers.
The reality is no cares about you because you're not the market.

[markcoznottz]

schaeffs said:

I think the best thing about the 488 is that it will make the 458 cheaper!!

Or more expensive long term ??? last of the na entry model Ferrari? The next five years will be interesting.

[iloveboost]

Looks better than the 458, goes a lot better than the 458, sounds as good as the 458 so it seems like Ferrari got everything right with it. Also there's bound to be a louder, harder, faster version later on as well. That's my take on it anyway.

[peter450]

Rumblestripe said:

DonkeyApple said:

And there is also the issue that there is absolutely no pleasure to be gained from taking a road corner at 60 in a car that can do it at 150. But taking that corner at 60 in a car that really is better doing it at 50, well that is exciting and rewarding.

^^^^this this THIS^^^^

Hope I don't ever go round a corner with either of you coming the other way....

[sone]

peter450 said:

Rumblestripe said:

DonkeyApple said:

And there is also the issue that there is absolutely no pleasure to be gained from taking a road corner at 60 in a car that can do it at 150. But taking that corner at 60 in a car that really is better doing it at 50, well that is exciting and rewarding.

^^^^this this THIS^^^^

Hope I don't ever go round a corner with either of you coming the other way....

On this basis I think I have the answer!

[dinkel]

Axel987 said:

HeMightBeBanned said:

Autocar are reporting a new V6 Dino is in the works at Ferrari.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/ferrari...

twin turbo 500 bhp 0-62 in 3.5 and 200 mph + is not my idea of a dino.

3.5 V6, 330-340 bhp, manual gearbox, sub 1300 kiloes, at 80-90.000 pounds and I would be all over that like a fat chick in a donut shop.

THAT.

[DonkeyApple]

sone said:

peter450 said:

Rumblestripe said:

DonkeyApple said:

And there is also the issue that there is absolutely no pleasure to be gained from taking a road corner at 60 in a car that can do it at 150. But taking that corner at 60 in a car that really is better doing it at 50, well that is exciting and rewarding.

^^^^this this THIS^^^^

Hope I don't ever go round a corner with either of you coming the other way....

On this basis I think I have the answer!

Not wrong. Hilarious cars to drive. On a track of chose the Ferrari as you stand a chance of getting close to what it can give and would be a thrill but on a country road, I'd take the 2CV. Much more fun.

[RumbleOfThunder]

dinkel said:

Axel987 said:

HeMightBeBanned said:

Autocar are reporting a new V6 Dino is in the works at Ferrari.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/ferrari...

twin turbo 500 bhp 0-62 in 3.5 and 200 mph + is not my idea of a dino.

3.5 V6, 330-340 bhp, manual gearbox, sub 1300 kiloes, at 80-90.000 pounds and I would be all over that like a fat chick in a donut shop.

THAT.

Not that. Ferrari are already at risk of overexposure, sales at the expense of brand exclusivity. The last thing they need to do is a luddites "cheap" Cayman competitor.

[MattHall91]

daytona365 said:

Looks nice, but a 'slushbox' just doesn't seem right.

I think that term is a bit harsh seeing as it has two clutches.
By all means tarnish the ZF autos with that name though.

[iloveboost]

DeltaEvo2 said:

Haters gonna hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate...

Players gonna play, play, play, play, play, play...

It's a twin turbo mid engined Ferrari that's far faster and better looking than the last one with more downforce. Driving one I guess you'll notice a tiny delay in throttle response compared to what you asked for, but it's not a big turbo TDI. It's a winner really, and Ferrari have proved they can take on Mclaren. I think like for like the Mclaren is about 100kg lighter, but would you care?!

Edited by iloveboost on Monday 8th June 10:08

[dinkel]

RumbleOfThunder said:

dinkel said:

Axel987 said:

HeMightBeBanned said:

Autocar are reporting a new V6 Dino is in the works at Ferrari.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/ferrari...

twin turbo 500 bhp 0-62 in 3.5 and 200 mph + is not my idea of a dino.

3.5 V6, 330-340 bhp, manual gearbox, sub 1300 kiloes, at 80-90.000 pounds and I would be all over that like a fat chick in a donut shop.

THAT.

Not that. Ferrari are already at risk of overexposure, sales at the expense of brand exclusivity. The last thing they need to do is a luddites "cheap" Cayman competitor.

With the 488 stepping into hypercar territory there's room for a Dino. Imagine a fortunate GTi owner steps into a 488 ... just because he can affort one. Madness. 30 years ago 340 brake was a nice figure for a 911 / 355 performance car.

[Thankyou4calling]

Not read the whole thread so it may have been mentioned.

The power figure for this car is simply incredible.

I have a 360 and it has 400 BHP, I believe it's successor the 430 put out c 480 and the 458 topped that with around 560 BHP, this, the "Baby" or entry level Ferrari has more than an Enzo.

Whether the car is better for it I don't know but that figure, 670 BHP! I have to keep reading it to believe it is true.

Simply amazing.

[Varn]

iloveboost said:

DeltaEvo2 said:

Haters gonna hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate...

Players gonna play, play, play, play, play, play...

It's a twin turbo mid engined Ferrari that's far faster and better looking than the last one with more downforce. Driving one I guess you'll notice a tiny delay in throttle response compared to what you asked for, but it's not a big turbo TDI. It's a winner really, and Ferrari have proved they can take on Mclaren. I think like for like the Mclaren is about 100kg lighter, but would you care?!

Edited by iloveboost on Monday 8th June 10:08

The negative comments regarding forced induction are not just about throttle response...

[Stenn]

I think it's fantastic, another technical masterpiece.

Personally I'd always want a manual box, but if you have the money for one of these then you'll certainly be able to afford a nice manual, n/a sports car as part of your fleet so no big deal. A 488 and a 355 would probably make the perfect pair for me.

[Davey S2]

swimd said:

zeDuffMan said:

philmots said:

Chris Harris video just went live on YouTube, he's not a bad word to say about it.

He wouldn't get a go in any new Ferrari for the next five years if he dared bad-mouth the new baby.

This. Ever since he left /Drive and went on to do his own thing, his reviews are very one-sided. This is perfect, this is outrageously quick, this feels great, yadda yadda. He doesn't dare to bite the hand that feeds him. A shame because his reviews used to be quite honest and refreshing.

To be fair to Harris he never slagged off the cars themselves, just Ferrari's heavy handedness regarding reviews of their cars and insisting that specific cars supplied by them with loads of factory support were used.

Other than on the grounds of image and occasionally the manufactured noise I don't see many people criticising Ferraris probably because they are astoundingly good.

[mattf93]

Guvernator said:

The other thing I can't work it is why the hell a supercar which will only sell a few thousand units a year needs to be "downsized" in the first place. Surely the emissions output of EVERY Ferrari in the world is still negligible compared a even a days worth of air-plane flights or heavy industry output.

To my understanding the major influence is the asian markets where anything over 4L of displacement gets massively over taxed etc, and as one of the largest and emerging markets they cannot ignore it. Also there are EU requirements they have to meet as they can't claim they're a 'small' manufacturer to get away with it - why do you think aston had to make the cygnet?

'progress for the sake of progress must be discouraged' I understand ferrari have to progress, but if Lambo have released a NA huracan I don't know why they couldnt have stuck with natural aspiration until the big change with the 488 successor which will be a completely new design... at which point they will probably have needed a turbo.

I personally have a lot of admiration for Mclaren, so will be very interested to see if many ferrari loyalists change allegiance to the woking brand and to which vehicle they will select now ferrari are finally losing their NA sound USP. No doubt many of the successful will flock to buy it in their droves though as its the latest and greatest and they just have to have it. But for me the great thing Ferrari had over mclaren is the sound, which it now no longer has....
Will be interesting to see what the journos think if the 540c/570s and 675lt and how they compare to ferraris line up on road and track, however I do wish with the exception of the 675 that there was more of a road biased review than track biased review

[bubney72]

What a stunning machine! Engineering at it's best.

[Dagnut]

mattf93 said:

Guvernator said:

The other thing I can't work it is why the hell a supercar which will only sell a few thousand units a year needs to be "downsized" in the first place. Surely the emissions output of EVERY Ferrari in the world is still negligible compared a even a days worth of air-plane flights or heavy industry output.

To my understanding the major influence is the asian markets where anything over 4L of displacement gets massively over taxed etc, and as one of the largest and emerging markets they cannot ignore it. Also there are EU requirements they have to meet as they can't claim they're a 'small' manufacturer to get away with it - why do you think aston had to make the cygnet?

'progress for the sake of progress must be discouraged' I understand ferrari have to progress, but if Lambo have released a NA huracan I don't know why they couldnt have stuck with natural aspiration until the big change with the 488 successor which will be a completely new design... at which point they will probably have needed a turbo.

I personally have a lot of admiration for Mclaren, so will be very interested to see if many ferrari loyalists change allegiance to the woking brand and to which vehicle they will select now ferrari are finally losing their NA sound USP. No doubt many of the successful will flock to buy it in their droves though as its the latest and greatest and they just have to have it. But for me the great thing Ferrari had over mclaren is the sound, which it now no longer has....
Will be interesting to see what the journos think if the 540c/570s and 675lt and how they compare to ferraris line up on road and track, however I do wish with the exception of the 675 that there was more of a road biased review than track biased review

Emissions is an excuse, its about power and cost. This power plant keeps them on par with McLaren and provides scoop for upgrades without getting into engineering which would spiral costs out of control.