RE: Ferrari 488GTB: Driven
Discussion
gl20 said:
With continuous hikes in power, aero, tech and price, is there now space for a new range that is more similar in feel to 328 - 355? Not as fast but still quick and a look that I think a lot of people miss.
Autocar are reporting a new V6 Dino is in the works at Ferrari.http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/ferrari...
HeMightBeBanned said:
Autocar are reporting a new V6 Dino is in the works at Ferrari.
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/ferrari...
twin turbo 500 bhp 0-62 in 3.5 and 200 mph + is not my idea of a dino.http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/ferrari...
3.5 V6, 330-340 bhp, manual gearbox, sub 1300 kiloes, at 80-90.000 pounds and I would be all over that like a fat chick in a donut shop.
Not sure if I had a 458 this would make me want to upgrade. Quicker with a lot more torque but it looks very similar (man on the street probably wouldn't know if it was the new one or the old one) plus the old one is more than fast enough. Would love a go but think I'd be happier on the road in a manual 355.
Would Dan have one over the 288 GTO?
Would Dan have one over the 288 GTO?
Edited by Crusoe on Friday 5th June 10:06
Max_Torque said:
With the Caveat that "i'm getting old", increasingly modern cars leave me cold. Yup, they are F-ing fast (8.5 sec to 200kph!!) but you just sit there and occasionally pull a paddle. Watch the video when the Ferrari test driver is pedaling, they are just sitting there, whilst the car whisks them to the other end of the straight, it's really rather dull tbh.
Compare and contrast to getting an F40 from 0 to 200Kph, it's a blur of arms, legs, steering inputs and perfect driver interaction with the car (and miles slower than the 488, but i'd have an F40 in an instant, the 488? meh, frankly, you can keep it)
Still, they'll look nice racing between the lights in 1st gear in That There Old London Town............ ;-)
Don't worry. The nurse will be in shortly with your medication.Compare and contrast to getting an F40 from 0 to 200Kph, it's a blur of arms, legs, steering inputs and perfect driver interaction with the car (and miles slower than the 488, but i'd have an F40 in an instant, the 488? meh, frankly, you can keep it)
Still, they'll look nice racing between the lights in 1st gear in That There Old London Town............ ;-)
Be interesting to see if Porsche do offer a back to basics maximum fun 911 that doesn't chase the numbers http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a.... Sure there is always going to be a market for the latest and fastest versions and probably lines of people in Asia after the next new Ferrari but someone has to draw a line in the sand and get back to making cars with excitement and drama at lower speeds for the road. Ferrari have toyed with the scaled down under a ton mini enzo prototype and Lamborghini have made a few of the Sesto Elemental, maybe the tide is starting to turn.
Mr. Harris even stated that he prefers the turbo V8 over the outgoing N/A V8. Only 6 mph slower than the La Ferrari on the main straight.
Of course it's impossible to tell how much of that statement is heartfelt truth and how is PR drivel from the brainwash sessions. I don't think I've read a really berating review of him since he left Drive and went independent. (videos like the mapped S4 vs RS4, or the Bentley feeling like a S4).
Mind you this car doesn't even feature an electrical turbochargers which are supposed to improve throttle response until the exhaust driven turbine builds boost and takes over. The latest generation of these is extremely impressive with spin-up times below 0.1 seconds. I suspect we will see these in the new Porsche engines.
Maybe we won't miss the N/A engine that much after all... brave new world.
Of course it's impossible to tell how much of that statement is heartfelt truth and how is PR drivel from the brainwash sessions. I don't think I've read a really berating review of him since he left Drive and went independent. (videos like the mapped S4 vs RS4, or the Bentley feeling like a S4).
Mind you this car doesn't even feature an electrical turbochargers which are supposed to improve throttle response until the exhaust driven turbine builds boost and takes over. The latest generation of these is extremely impressive with spin-up times below 0.1 seconds. I suspect we will see these in the new Porsche engines.
Maybe we won't miss the N/A engine that much after all... brave new world.
PunterCam said:
"Because, really, all we want to know is just how fast the 488 GTB?" - Well, no, not really. Obviously it'll be faster than the old one - Ferrari are a business with a marketing department. It won't be as fast as the next one though. Just like all mass-produced sports cars. I'd like Ferrari to "do" an F50.
That graph and the sounds from the video - looks like Ferrari haven't done quite all we (I) were(was) lead to believe. Drop off after 6k, limited torque in low gears to make it "feel" bett... you know, I don't even care. It sounds like something fiat would do to make a warm punto feel a little snappier. It's computer code and automatic gearbox trying to make up for actual mechanical excitement, and it bores me. And it sounds crap, sadly.
It looks alright, but so did the 458... Apart from the looks and the interior, which are Ferrari and distinctive, the specs could be Audi. Even the 'effin Germans are still making high-revving atmospherics! What a funny world. It's not an irrational hate people have towards turbos - we dislike them because they aren't as good. They don't come close.
Boring? I would you love to see you manage a 660bhp car without electronic aids...this hero purist bullsThat graph and the sounds from the video - looks like Ferrari haven't done quite all we (I) were(was) lead to believe. Drop off after 6k, limited torque in low gears to make it "feel" bett... you know, I don't even care. It sounds like something fiat would do to make a warm punto feel a little snappier. It's computer code and automatic gearbox trying to make up for actual mechanical excitement, and it bores me. And it sounds crap, sadly.
It looks alright, but so did the 458... Apart from the looks and the interior, which are Ferrari and distinctive, the specs could be Audi. Even the 'effin Germans are still making high-revving atmospherics! What a funny world. It's not an irrational hate people have towards turbos - we dislike them because they aren't as good. They don't come close.
t is getting tiresome now.Yes we all prefer manuals, Yes we all prefer N/A..but what are Ferrari to do..how could you make a 660bhp N/A V8 in a production car and keep in under 200k and 7 litres?
The car has to be competitive and Mclarens where getting to far away, I don't buy any of the emissions cr@p with this car its all about performance, this engine gives them scoop to hit 700-750 if they need to and they probably will, no doubt McLaren will get there quicker.
EricE said:
Mr. Harris even stated that he prefers the turbo V8 over the outgoing N/A V8. Only 6 mph slower than the La Ferrari on the main straight.
Of course it's impossible to tell how much of that statement is heartfelt truth and how is PR drivel from the brainwash sessions. I don't think I've read a really berating review of him since he left Drive and went independent. (videos like the mapped S4 vs RS4, or the Bentley feeling like a S4).
I know it won't be a popular opinion on here but I struggle to accept CH's impartiality when it comes to Ferrari, given his illuminating "How Ferrari Spins" article on Jalopnik and then apparent backtracking/schmoozing or whatever was involved in being able to test drive them again. Of course it's impossible to tell how much of that statement is heartfelt truth and how is PR drivel from the brainwash sessions. I don't think I've read a really berating review of him since he left Drive and went independent. (videos like the mapped S4 vs RS4, or the Bentley feeling like a S4).
The impression I'm left with is that he cares more about being able to drive them than being objective about reviewing them.
Maybe that's a gross oversimplification, but hey ho..
Dan Trent said:
Here you go! Black line is 458, the lowest red line is the torque map for gears one, two and three, next one is fourth, then fifth, sixth and finally seventh with the full whack.
Hope that's useful!
Cheers,
Dan
Difficult to see the scale lb/ft of torque but looking at the curves per gear it seems everything bar 7th gear is less than 500 lb/ft and 560 is only available in 7thHope that's useful!
Cheers,
Dan
Dan Trent said:
Here you go! Black line is 458, the lowest red line is the torque map for gears one, two and three, next one is fourth, then fifth, sixth and finally seventh with the full whack.
Hope that's useful!
Cheers,
Dan
Thanks Dan! Hope that's useful!
Cheers,
Dan
That power curve would be a lot more aggressive if it wasn't limited. Interesting this, I wonder how many cars have the same gearing based torque limitation.
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