RE: Noble fastest in Goodwood supercar shootout

RE: Noble fastest in Goodwood supercar shootout

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VladD

7,853 posts

264 months

Tuesday 30th June 2015
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marcgti6 said:
Great to see Noble and Reid top the time sheets.

I saw quick Nick's lap again during the Sky coverage.

Wow.

He was properly on the edge - the car was moving about all over the place. It sounded sooo good too!

I don't think his time will ever be beaten, do you?
After that last GP, I think if you gave Pastor Maldonado 5 F1 cars, he'd get one of them up faster.

leglessAlex

5,384 posts

140 months

Tuesday 30th June 2015
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jonby said:
where demand has now dictated they bring out a 2 pedal option.....crying shame IMHO
I know I bang on about this all the time when it comes up, usually in Lotus threads but why is that a bad thing?

More sales means they hopefully won't be in danger of going bust and so they can still make the manual cars, and it gives people that might not be able to drive a manual through disability or something the chance of at least dreaming about owning one one day.

jonby

5,357 posts

156 months

Tuesday 30th June 2015
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leglessAlex said:
I know I bang on about this all the time when it comes up, usually in Lotus threads but why is that a bad thing?

More sales means they hopefully won't be in danger of going bust and so they can still make the manual cars, and it gives people that might not be able to drive a manual through disability or something the chance of at least dreaming about owning one one day.
It's not really a 'bad' thing I suppose, it's just that it feels like a further nail in the coffin for something I realise only has a limited remaining life and I'm desperately clinging on to for as long as possible


thecremeegg

1,952 posts

202 months

Tuesday 30th June 2015
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jonby said:
coverage on Motors was fine until the road legal / supercars

they didn't know what the Singer or SCG003 were (IMO, along with the Vulcan, the best cars at FOS) - they called them 'an old porsche' and 'an unknown black car they didn't recognise'

Then they called the F12 a 599 and a 488 was referred to as a 458

shockingly poor knowledge - one of the commentators at this time was head of the car section at the telegraph ....
Should have watched the stream on youtube, much better!

Huntsman

8,028 posts

249 months

Tuesday 30th June 2015
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I very nearly got a ride up the hill in the Noble, we were stuck at the start line with the car I was helping to run, the Nobel only had a driver onboard for one demo run, we had a crash helmet, but I was in shorts and tee shirt and they required long sleeves and trousers. Ugh.

suffolk009

5,344 posts

164 months

Tuesday 30th June 2015
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^^^^ Never understood that. Like having shirt cuffs and turn-ups will save your life.

cho

927 posts

274 months

Tuesday 30th June 2015
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Haven't seen an M600 in the flesh and all the previous write ups on it seem to say it's a brilliant car but I personally don't think it is worth 300k! The car that brought Noble into the limelight was the M12 GTO which was called a giant slayer because of its speed and handling for less than half the price of the exotics at the time. The following supercar by Lee (which eventually became the M600)was planned to have almost hyper at performance for under 100k nearer 75k but I think a lot of behind the scenes manoeuvring eventually forced Lee Noble out(the guy who designed and set up the cars for their amazing handling)and the only car that has come out of Noble since has been the M600 in the space of 10 years

toppstuff

13,698 posts

246 months

Tuesday 30th June 2015
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cho said:
Haven't seen an M600 in the flesh and all the previous write ups on it seem to say it's a brilliant car but I personally don't think it is worth 300k! The car that brought Noble into the limelight was the M12 GTO which was called a giant slayer because of its speed and handling for less than half the price of the exotics at the time. The following supercar by Lee (which eventually became the M600)was planned to have almost hyper at performance for under 100k nearer 75k but I think a lot of behind the scenes manoeuvring eventually forced Lee Noble out(the guy who designed and set up the cars for their amazing handling)and the only car that has come out of Noble since has been the M600 in the space of 10 years
M600 has about as much to do with Lee Noble and the M12 than my Yorkshire terrier has.

It is called a Noble but it has nowt do with any other Noble, so the comparison means nothing.

If you see one in the flesh you will understand. It is a lovely thing, made with care and super high quality.

Considering a Zonda is a £1million plus - the M600 is rather a bargain IMO. After all, they both have gorgeous carbon bodies and are hand made by people in a small industrial unit.

ralphrj

3,508 posts

190 months

Tuesday 30th June 2015
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marcgti6 said:
I saw quick Nick's lap again during the Sky coverage.

Wow.

He was properly on the edge - the car was moving about all over the place. It sounded sooo good too!

I don't think his time will ever be beaten, do you?
Heidfeld set the time in 1999. In 2000, a driver and marshal were killed when they lost control at the end of the run and hit the finish gantry. As a result of that accident I believe that F1 cars are not officially timed to discourage flat out attempts. However, Heikki Kovalainen is said to have finished in under 40 seconds in 2006 but without any official timing it can't be confirmed as a record.

wtdoom

3,742 posts

207 months

Tuesday 30th June 2015
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jonby said:
wtdoom said:
Not sure I agree with the two f40 owners . When I met with Peter he explained that some people were calling it similar to what a modern f40 would be like . After driving the car at length ( think I did a write up in the noble section ) I think that's a pretty fair comment personally .
I understand fully why people would make the comparison, as did the 2 owners - manual, more raw than most of the more 'mainstream' supercars & turbocharging seem to be the main reasons. But they are reasons on paper that sound good, however they don't necessarily reflect the driving experience. Perhaps one reason the owners felt the way they did is that M600, if I understand correctly and certainly according to Noble themselves, is nowhere near as difficult or intimidating to drive as it's specs might suggest, certainly relative to F40, which is part of what gives F0 it's character- you sweat driving it for 5 minutes, the boost can really catch you out, etc

Having said that, very little if anything is raw compared to F40 so as F40 owners, that may help explain their thoughts
I track and drive my f40 extensively, it really isn't the man killer you describe . Once you allow for the boost and with enough space it's actually a nice chassis .
I think a modern f40 would be pretty similar to the noble . What lets the noble down is the interior design , foot space and exterior design . Otherwise it's very good indeed

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 30th June 2015
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williamp said:
Neither rolls royce nor noble were compeating. But if they were....
They would have finished in 22hrs ?

leglessAlex

5,384 posts

140 months

Tuesday 30th June 2015
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jonby said:
leglessAlex said:
I know I bang on about this all the time when it comes up, usually in Lotus threads but why is that a bad thing?

More sales means they hopefully won't be in danger of going bust and so they can still make the manual cars, and it gives people that might not be able to drive a manual through disability or something the chance of at least dreaming about owning one one day.
It's not really a 'bad' thing I suppose, it's just that it feels like a further nail in the coffin for something I realise only has a limited remaining life and I'm desperately clinging on to for as long as possible
That's fair enough, pre accident I probably would have thought that too. Now I rejoice in makers giving people the option, means I can dream of one day owning one.

And it is still an option remember, I think the death of the manual is a while away yet!

ORD

18,086 posts

126 months

Tuesday 30th June 2015
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leglessAlex said:
That's fair enough, pre accident I probably would have thought that too. Now I rejoice in makers giving people the option, means I can dream of one day owning one.

And it is still an option remember, I think the death of the manual is a while away yet!
I was just thinking 'What accident? Poor guy' when I saw your profile name. Good man! One of the most uplifting things about this site is the British grit and sense of humour of people who have suffered bad luck.

freedman

5,395 posts

206 months

Wednesday 1st July 2015
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ralphrj said:
Heidfeld set the time in 1999. In 2000, a driver and marshal were killed when they lost control at the end of the run and hit the finish gantry. As a result of that accident I believe that F1 cars are not officially timed to discourage flat out attempts. However, Heikki Kovalainen is said to have finished in under 40 seconds in 2006 but without any official timing it can't be confirmed as a record.
Have never understood what the connection with timed runs for F1 cars and that accident have in common

It was a wealthy owner in an historic car, not one of the quick cars that crashed

exceed

454 posts

175 months

Wednesday 1st July 2015
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Is there a complete set of times over the weekend at all?