RE: Lotus Evora 400 :Driven

RE: Lotus Evora 400 :Driven

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kambites

55,822 posts

159 months

Thursday 6th August 2015
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GroundEffect said:
otolith said:
I remember reading somewhere that the production costs for the 911 and the Cayman/Boxster were similar - there's just an awful lot more margin in a 911 (though of course that ignores development, tooling and marketing costs).
I heard something similar, from a supplier to Porsche. Porsche apparently make $20k+ per 911 which is just ridiculous for this industry.
All credit to them if they can though; it shows why people working in marketing tend to get paid more than engineers. hehe

leglessAlex

2,931 posts

79 months

Thursday 6th August 2015
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StottyEvo said:
Ozzie Osmond said:
Youcan buy a 2.7 litre 6-pot Cayman cheaper than an 1800cc 4-pot Elise. What are they thinking?
Upon reading this I thought you actually had made a good point. Until I did some research and saw the Elise starts at £30,900 and the Elise S £37,200 whilst the base Cayman is £39,694... Bearing in mind the Elise S is considerably faster than the Cayman and is supercharged, this levels the playing field somewhat.
Not to mention the fact that a base Cayman is, to my eyes at least, a pretty undesirable thing. Some decent wheels at least would make it look much better, but then it's over £11k more expensive than the base Elise and £4k more expensive than the Elise S.



Edited by leglessAlex on Friday 7th August 08:14

moribund

3,138 posts

152 months

Thursday 6th August 2015
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Also worth noting that my 118bhp Elise S1 cost it's first owner almost £25k over 15 years ago, so they've not even gone up all that much.

LasseV

1,107 posts

71 months

Friday 7th August 2015
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So, some of the posters think that Lotus is expensive and Porsche is bargain? That is funny, because we all know how much profit Porsche makes per sports car. And tbh, i'm not sure how good those new porsche units are in the long run....

Europa1

7,474 posts

126 months

Tuesday 28th November 2017
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Holy thread resurrection etc....

I followed one of these on the way into work today. Looked great, sounded rude, went like a stabbed rat away from lights/NSL signs etc. I have much want.
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fesuvious

5,297 posts

179 months

Tuesday 28th November 2017
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Gave mine up for a Challenger Hellcat.

Can't believe I wasted 10months with the Evora400.

I giggle with the Hellcat. Never did that at any point with the Evora.

leglessAlex

2,931 posts

79 months

Tuesday 28th November 2017
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fesuvious said:
Gave mine up for a Challenger Hellcat.

Can't believe I wasted 10months with the Evora400.

I giggle with the Hellcat. Never did that at any point with the Evora.
What didn't you like about it?

Not strictly relevant, but you've had one hell of a garage and there are some cracking cars in that list thumbup

Dick Seaman

1,009 posts

161 months

Tuesday 28th November 2017
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fesuvious said:
Gave mine up for a Challenger Hellcat.

Can't believe I wasted 10months with the Evora400.

I giggle with the Hellcat. Never did that at any point with the Evora.
Roughly translates to, 'the car's strengths are in areas that I don't particularly appreciate so I made a bad choice'

DonkeyApple

32,228 posts

107 months

Wednesday 29th November 2017
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Dick Seaman said:
Roughly translates to, 'the car's strengths are in areas that I don't particularly appreciate so I made a bad choice'
A very valid point but the question is whether those 'strengths' are the fault of the buyer or company? Your general tone seems to imply that you consider it to be the buyer's fault but as he has a 355 which does a very similar job it has to be worth considering that it may be the fault of the company, especially when you consider that they don't sell as many of them as we or Lotus would wish?

John145

1,934 posts

94 months

Wednesday 29th November 2017
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kambites said:
GroundEffect said:
otolith said:
I remember reading somewhere that the production costs for the 911 and the Cayman/Boxster were similar - there's just an awful lot more margin in a 911 (though of course that ignores development, tooling and marketing costs).
I heard something similar, from a supplier to Porsche. Porsche apparently make $20k+ per 911 which is just ridiculous for this industry.
All credit to them if they can though; it shows why people working in marketing tend to get paid more than engineers. hehe
You'll find in Germany it's the other way around. Which might also influence why they are so good...

otolith

36,608 posts

142 months

Wednesday 29th November 2017
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DonkeyApple said:
A very valid point but the question is whether those 'strengths' are the fault of the buyer or company? Your general tone seems to imply that you consider it to be the buyer's fault but as he has a 355 which does a very similar job it has to be worth considering that it may be the fault of the company, especially when you consider that they don't sell as many of them as we or Lotus would wish?
I don't think muscle cars are really a good fit with Lotus brand values?

DonkeyApple

32,228 posts

107 months

Wednesday 29th November 2017
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otolith said:
DonkeyApple said:
A very valid point but the question is whether those 'strengths' are the fault of the buyer or company? Your general tone seems to imply that you consider it to be the buyer's fault but as he has a 355 which does a very similar job it has to be worth considering that it may be the fault of the company, especially when you consider that they don't sell as many of them as we or Lotus would wish?
I don't think muscle cars are really a good fit with Lotus brand values?
Absolutely, they don't have a V8 but I don't think that was being suggested. wink Hence the mention of the 355.

Dick Seaman

1,009 posts

161 months

Wednesday 29th November 2017
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DonkeyApple said:
Dick Seaman said:
Roughly translates to, 'the car's strengths are in areas that I don't particularly appreciate so I made a bad choice'
A very valid point but the question is whether those 'strengths' are the fault of the buyer or company? Your general tone seems to imply that you consider it to be the buyer's fault but as he has a 355 which does a very similar job it has to be worth considering that it may be the fault of the company, especially when you consider that they don't sell as many of them as we or Lotus would wish?
You're right about the general tone, I was speculating, probably unfairly, that somebody who so clearly enjoys the attributes of a muscle car made a strange choice when they bought an Evora.

Not implying that one is superior to the other, they are both very good but in very different ways. I also assumed that this was the poster's only car, accentuating the strangeness of choice.

Having now seen the poster's current and previous car collection, including the F355, I'll take it back. smile Although I'd be interested to hear what he didn't like about the Evora.

Probably worth adding that I'm an unreasonably passionate Lotus fan. smile




otolith

36,608 posts

142 months

Wednesday 29th November 2017
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DonkeyApple said:
otolith said:
DonkeyApple said:
A very valid point but the question is whether those 'strengths' are the fault of the buyer or company? Your general tone seems to imply that you consider it to be the buyer's fault but as he has a 355 which does a very similar job it has to be worth considering that it may be the fault of the company, especially when you consider that they don't sell as many of them as we or Lotus would wish?
I don't think muscle cars are really a good fit with Lotus brand values?
Absolutely, they don't have a V8 but I don't think that was being suggested. wink Hence the mention of the 355.
Even with a V8, a mid engined Lotus is going to be a very different kind of proposition to a front engined Yank muscle car.

And if you already have a 355 that you didn't buy the Lotus to replace, that seems a pretty unbalanced garage.

thiscocks

1,867 posts

133 months

Wednesday 29th November 2017
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Looks great to me. Unfortunately one for my dream garage only