RE: Never wash your car again!
Discussion
KimJongHealthy said:
Surely the layer of paint on your car isn't infinite and when you start polishing it twice a year you'll end up with bare metal poking out sooner than later?
Possible, but unlikely unless you really go at it with wet&dry paper. Don't ask me how I know this.The pros - and many determined amateurs - use paint depth gauges to determine how many microns deep the surface paint is. Useful things as any major paint depth discrepancies they find can also point to where the car has had bodywork done in the past.
Dan Trent said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Novel definition of "Never wash your car again!", Dan.
So, basically, two quid a day for a coating that means your car stays clean so long as you wash it regularly. All my cars have had that. It's called "paint", and is a standard factory feature on just about everything.
Fair one. But I was long pondering a headline that would draw people in, given it's quite a 'dry' subject matter! So, basically, two quid a day for a coating that means your car stays clean so long as you wash it regularly. All my cars have had that. It's called "paint", and is a standard factory feature on just about everything.
Dan
BTW, have you seen this? It costs £3000 and it should last for 10 years(*)
You can save the four days required to apply the promoted stuff and it can be applied on a DIY basis.
http://www.diy.com/departments/carplan-shampoo-5l/...
(*) if you buy a thousand bottles
anonymous said:
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Not writing it off just yet, I said sounds like. I'd definitely want to know more about the process before I invested in it. Not that I'm in the market.A layer left behind is that really bonded. After being interested in this stuff for years and trying all the only use this wax once a year products out there I haven't foundd anything yet that lived up to the hype.
Still even if it works as advertised I don't see the point. You still have to wash it just stick a none abrasive aoi on 15 minutes no done.
Pesty said:
Not writing it off just yet, I said sounds like. I'd definitely want to know more about the process before I invested in it. Not that I'm in the market.
A layer left behind is that really bonded. After being interested in this stuff for years and trying all the only use this wax once a year products out there I haven't foundd anything yet that lived up to the hype.
Still even if it works as advertised I don't see the point. You still have to wash it just stick a none abrasive aoi on 15 minutes no done.
Guessing that the solvent melts the top layer of your clear coat and bonds into that.A layer left behind is that really bonded. After being interested in this stuff for years and trying all the only use this wax once a year products out there I haven't foundd anything yet that lived up to the hype.
Still even if it works as advertised I don't see the point. You still have to wash it just stick a none abrasive aoi on 15 minutes no done.
Pesty said:
Not writing it off just yet, I said sounds like. I'd definitely want to know more about the process before I invested in it. Not that I'm in the market.
A layer left behind is that really bonded. After being interested in this stuff for years and trying all the only use this wax once a year products out there I haven't foundd anything yet that lived up to the hype.
Still even if it works as advertised I don't see the point. You still have to wash it just stick a none abrasive aoi on 15 minutes no done.
This is how the Gtechniq product appears to stand up to attempts to remove it from the paint surfaceA layer left behind is that really bonded. After being interested in this stuff for years and trying all the only use this wax once a year products out there I haven't foundd anything yet that lived up to the hype.
Still even if it works as advertised I don't see the point. You still have to wash it just stick a none abrasive aoi on 15 minutes no done.
https://glossboss.de/en/gtechniq-crystal-serum-tes...
This is echoed by detailers I've spoken to who work with the product. If that's a completely genuine and impartial test then I'd say it's pretty well bonded.
Whilst not the exact product in question, I'd imagine most of these high end 'ceramic' sealant products are sold as similar to the above.
Total Bull, There is only one CERAMIC Coating to use and that is GTECHNIQS Crystal Serum. Properly tested against all other pretenders and proven to outlast other Ceramic coatings due to its 2x layer properties.
Can be applied in 1x day and is half the price of the above.Been using it now for 3 years and still showing signs of water beading and protection.
Can be applied in 1x day and is half the price of the above.Been using it now for 3 years and still showing signs of water beading and protection.
Boosted LS1 said:
What is the second car pictured in the write up, a rear quarter shot? I know I've seen it before but the name escapes me. Pantera?
Is it a De tomaso Pantera your thinking of ?? But I think the car in pic is the new Lambo HuracanEdited by KillyTheSaint on Tuesday 6th October 20:29
theboss said:
Pesty said:
Not writing it off just yet, I said sounds like. I'd definitely want to know more about the process before I invested in it. Not that I'm in the market.
A layer left behind is that really bonded. After being interested in this stuff for years and trying all the only use this wax once a year products out there I haven't foundd anything yet that lived up to the hype.
Still even if it works as advertised I don't see the point. You still have to wash it just stick a none abrasive aoi on 15 minutes no done.
Yep. Gtecniq stuff is pure witchcraft...A layer left behind is that really bonded. After being interested in this stuff for years and trying all the only use this wax once a year products out there I haven't foundd anything yet that lived up to the hype.
Still even if it works as advertised I don't see the point. You still have to wash it just stick a none abrasive aoi on 15 minutes no done.
I haven't used their Crystal Serum yet, however as an example I bought their screen pack (glass polish, treatment and residue remover). Takes about an hour all told to apply (lots of thin coats left for specific periods of time, then buffed).
Lasted 25k miles, and in that time my wipers became redundant. At any speed above that water just ran off. Even below that speed, the beading meant that even if the screen was covered in water, visibility wasn't impaired.
My new daily (98 MX5) is going in at the end of the month for rot removal. I've already planned a weekend upon it's return for a full machine polish and as many Gtechniq products as I can get my hands on...
This is how the Gtechniq product appears to stand up to attempts to remove it from the paint surface
https://glossboss.de/en/gtechniq-crystal-serum-tes...
This is echoed by detailers I've spoken to who work with the product. If that's a completely genuine and impartial test then I'd say it's pretty well bonded.
Whilst not the exact product in question, I'd imagine most of these high end 'ceramic' sealant products are sold as similar to the above.
theboss said:
This is how the Gtechniq product appears to stand up to attempts to remove it from the paint surface
https://glossboss.de/en/gtechniq-crystal-serum-tes...
This is echoed by detailers I've spoken to who work with the product. If that's a completely genuine and impartial test then I'd say it's pretty well bonded.
Whilst not the exact product in question, I'd imagine most of these high end 'ceramic' sealant products are sold as similar to the above.
That is interesting thanks.https://glossboss.de/en/gtechniq-crystal-serum-tes...
This is echoed by detailers I've spoken to who work with the product. If that's a completely genuine and impartial test then I'd say it's pretty well bonded.
Whilst not the exact product in question, I'd imagine most of these high end 'ceramic' sealant products are sold as similar to the above.
I've got a couple of gtechniq products that everybody was raving about personally didn't find them that impressive. But I have heard good things about their sealants in the past.
That does indeed look to be quite resilient.
theboss said:
This is how the Gtechniq product appears to stand up to attempts to remove it from the paint surface
https://glossboss.de/en/gtechniq-crystal-serum-tes...
This is echoed by detailers I've spoken to who work with the product. If that's a completely genuine and impartial test then I'd say it's pretty well bonded.
Whilst not the exact product in question, I'd imagine most of these high end 'ceramic' sealant products are sold as similar to the above.
Wow. Seems like that stuff is worth the money if you want to protect the lacquer for years, not just until you next clean it.https://glossboss.de/en/gtechniq-crystal-serum-tes...
This is echoed by detailers I've spoken to who work with the product. If that's a completely genuine and impartial test then I'd say it's pretty well bonded.
Whilst not the exact product in question, I'd imagine most of these high end 'ceramic' sealant products are sold as similar to the above.
I am a Gtechniq aproved detailer and have been using crystal serum for a very long time and have detailed many a supercar with it. It currently is the best sealant you can buy or rather, have applied to your car right now. I became an approved detailer to be able to use it. Ive trie most of the other sealants out there and have often been one of the first to do so, but as it stands (the tech is always progressing) crystal serum is the best coating. I used to be swissvax authorised, but a wax doesn't offer and protection against marks being put back into the paintwork. If you had just spent £700 having your car detailed, it makes sense to use something to protect it that will keep it looking its best.
In a way, we are doing ourselves out of return business using crystal serum. It used to be that you would go back to a back every 6 months or every year for a "top up" detail, when they used to get waxed. Don't get me wrong, i still use wax from time to time and the wax i use is 400 quid a pot, but if you want "true" protection, then you get a sealant such as crystal serum on it.
No coating will be so efficient that you never have to wash it again, but they can make life easier for when you do.
Sealants won't stop stone chips either btw, thats where places like paintshield come in. They use the best film, which is currently SunTek (less orange peel and more clarity than expel) and are the best in the country at what they do and as such, i wouldn't send my clients anywhere else. What most people do, is get the front end and sills covered in film and then have the rest of the car covered in crystal serum. That way you get the best of both worlds.
Its worth pointing out to those interested in getting a sealant on their car, that it would have to be machine polished first, even brand new cars. The last thing you would want to do is seal in the swirls and defects. Plus, crystal serum can only be applied to a completely dry car, so you couldnt really just give a car a wash and then put the coating on, as you would be asking for trouble. One of the reasons its not available to the general public.
In a way, we are doing ourselves out of return business using crystal serum. It used to be that you would go back to a back every 6 months or every year for a "top up" detail, when they used to get waxed. Don't get me wrong, i still use wax from time to time and the wax i use is 400 quid a pot, but if you want "true" protection, then you get a sealant such as crystal serum on it.
No coating will be so efficient that you never have to wash it again, but they can make life easier for when you do.
Sealants won't stop stone chips either btw, thats where places like paintshield come in. They use the best film, which is currently SunTek (less orange peel and more clarity than expel) and are the best in the country at what they do and as such, i wouldn't send my clients anywhere else. What most people do, is get the front end and sills covered in film and then have the rest of the car covered in crystal serum. That way you get the best of both worlds.
Its worth pointing out to those interested in getting a sealant on their car, that it would have to be machine polished first, even brand new cars. The last thing you would want to do is seal in the swirls and defects. Plus, crystal serum can only be applied to a completely dry car, so you couldnt really just give a car a wash and then put the coating on, as you would be asking for trouble. One of the reasons its not available to the general public.
theboss said:
This is how the Gtechniq product appears to stand up to attempts to remove it from the paint surface
https://glossboss.de/en/gtechniq-crystal-serum-tes...
This is echoed by detailers I've spoken to who work with the product. If that's a completely genuine and impartial test then I'd say it's pretty well bonded.
Whilst not the exact product in question, I'd imagine most of these high end 'ceramic' sealant products are sold as similar to the above.
Perhaps I'm missing something, but if they couldn't move the coating, how come the clearcoat thickness reduced?https://glossboss.de/en/gtechniq-crystal-serum-tes...
This is echoed by detailers I've spoken to who work with the product. If that's a completely genuine and impartial test then I'd say it's pretty well bonded.
Whilst not the exact product in question, I'd imagine most of these high end 'ceramic' sealant products are sold as similar to the above.
Right at the end of the article they say it´s been "reduced by about 7 to 10 µm. On some paintworks, that amount could be about 1/4 to 1/2 of the clearcoat thickness!"
Sheepshanks said:
Perhaps I'm missing something, but if they couldn't move the coating, how come the clearcoat thickness reduced?
Right at the end of the article they say it´s been "reduced by about 7 to 10 µm. On some paintworks, that amount could be about 1/4 to 1/2 of the clearcoat thickness!"
That would probably be down to the pre-coating polishing to get a good surface to start withRight at the end of the article they say it´s been "reduced by about 7 to 10 µm. On some paintworks, that amount could be about 1/4 to 1/2 of the clearcoat thickness!"
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