Are these Vloggers just a scam? SOL or Shmee etc???????

[moneymakestheworldgoaround]

Surprised the reliability of McLaren's hasn't been mentioned yet...

MANY MANY owners have complained about this from the 12C to 675LT to P1 etc etc... I wonder if its got any better in the 720.

[ooid]

Beefmeister said:

I know of 6 cancelled orders. People who have £250k to spend on these cars will usually be pretty good with money and will always have an eye on depreciation - it's a very rare case where someone doesn't care about it.

The residuals on the 720S are not great - many were expecting them to retain their value for a while or even go up initially and if that's not happening people just aren't interested in dropping lots of money.

hmm probably true, but how I see is;

"McLaren in the business of selling fast,special and NEW cars."

So probably 6 or more over-excited compulsive buyers -who think they might just flip them- got in the wave and ordered but immediately cancelled?

So yes, people who have more than £250k spend on these or similar cars are pretty good with money but they are rare and do not make panic-buying in special launches.

[Shmee]

CityS said:

Shmee thinks TGE's 720s is the least exciting car at Topaz (showroom)...

Edited by CityS on Sunday 17th September 21:49

Firstly, that's not his, his is for sale at GVE.

Secondly, am I wrong? There's a Chiron, F1 GTR, P1 LM, 2 LaFerraris, 918, P1, Zonda, Agera R, MSO HS and a 720S... Which is the least exciting to you?

The closest to second is the HS, but even that's worth 2-3x, and there are only 25 vs what must be >600 720S delivered already.

[Horsey McHorseface]

Looks like Delanney’s been watching Tanner Fox. That kind of editing suits TF, but not SD.

Talking of TF, did anyone watch Banned From The Mall? Taylor: ‘Watch out, one of them has a bicycle’

[North West Tom]

How TGE's sleeping knowing a bunch of randomers on the internet are discussing his decision making...

[KHK]

Shmee, OT question for you...are you planning to make a trip out to Canada? Maybe visit the Ford GT factory in Markham?

[CityS]

Shmee said:

Firstly, that's not his, his is for sale at GVE.

Secondly, am I wrong? There's a Chiron, F1 GTR, P1 LM, 2 LaFerraris, 918, P1, Zonda, Agera R, MSO HS and a 720S... Which is the least exciting to you?

The closest to second is the HS, but even that's worth 2-3x, and there are only 25 vs what must be >600 720S delivered already.

Technically no, you are correct for the cars in the room but still it is a rather strong statement to make...

[p1stonhead]

North West Tom said:

How TGE's sleeping knowing a bunch of randomers on the internet are discussing his decision making...

In a hotel pool?

Its not like he himself hasnt been on here discussing it...

[MrBarry123]

North West Tom said:

How TGE's sleeping knowing a bunch of randomers on the internet are discussing his decision making...

[Shmee]

KHK said:

Shmee, OT question for you...are you planning to make a trip out to Canada? Maybe visit the Ford GT factory in Markham?

I'd love to, I'm hoping when my car is in build I can arrange something or perhaps visit there for collection and use it in Canada and the US before bringing it to Europe - it's a long way off so not ready to start the discussion yet. At this point Multimatic/Ford aren't allowing cameras inside so we'll see what happens.

CityS said:

Technically no, you are correct for the cars in the room but still it is a rather strong statement to make...

I don't entirely follow I'm afraid. I expect to be a future 720S owner and I stand by saying out of that list of cars it is the least exciting and stand-out to me. It's also the cheapest at let's guess £250k by a very, very long way as only the HS would be the other 6-figure car (but still double or more) against all of the others in 7-figures or 8.

[camshafted]

Slightly o/t on the McLaren discussion.

Is there a massive difference between the McLaren range in terms of performance and design? From a non-owner-looking-in-on-it perspective, they all seem to be slightly faster versions of the same thing.

Ferrari, on the other hand, make the California/Portofino, 488, F12 and GT4 Lusso. They all tick the very-effing-fast box, but all offer something a bit different.

I can imagine some people will own all four Ferraris, but do many own the whole McLaren series? Should McLaren look at diversifying their range?

[BUG4LIFE]

This is a rather odd thread isn't it?!

Anyway, I'm sure I read yesterday, in a Sunday newspaper magazine, that part of the process of being 'picked' to buy the new Ford GT was now many Twitter followers you've got.

I guess Ford want to use the GT to promote the brand but I found this a bit sad Maybe I wasn't reading the article correctly [I had my nephew jumping all over me]?!

[TGETV]

Hi everyone, apologies, had a busy weekend to be getting on with.
Back at work on the snacks trolley today so got a few mins to calm things down - this may annoy some people but at least it should be clear,

- Sold car privately on McLaren owners forum; lost more than £5k. Originally agreed list with 2 people both pulled out within days. Eventually got someone to agree after dropping price. No dealers wanted it, and McLaren didn't return messages or calls about selling it for me. They got first refusal and had known the car was coming up for sale in Sept for months in advance. Still no buyer found. It was a pain.
- I can fill a hand with friends that have cancelled theirs, and that's only the start of it.
- The new owner has since been away, so left car at his friends at GVE, & they've gone fishing with it (believe me I followed right up when I saw it online)
- Prices things are listed at aren't neccessarily the price they sell for
- The point before this is important

Would like to stress, losing money on a full production McLaren is hardly a suprise. This soon, possibly slightly eyebrow raising, but not totally unexpected. Do I care? Not really, still worth it for the experience, and is not a lot to lose in the scheme of things. Just a shame I didn't have it longer, and I must say the recent cancellations and other shenanigans did rock my confidence and pushed me into punting it with slightly more urgency than perhaps I anticipated.
For those saying I bought it to make money with - I may look stupid, but buying a non limited £250k McLaren in an overpriced, launch, basic spec, then selling as we approach autumn is hardly investment material. I had estimated up to £15k loss between my June - Sept ownership period which I was willing to roll with. I've done ok on some cars which luckily I've not loved, meaning sale has been easy, and the others have held or dropped nominal amounts. Yes, I don't keep them forever, but I like variation. I am happy to admit the only mistake I think I've made was selling my F12.
Residuals are one factor of many I consider when buying a car, not the only one.
The only reason I'm able to drive these things is because of my attitude towards where I have stuck my cash over the past few years, and I make no apology my way of doing things.

Aventador S is controversial, and technically a 'worse' car than the 720S. But I want a silly 6.5L V12 in my ears behind my head. Would never have bought the old one, but this new one they've done just about enough to make it passable, IMO. Again, not an investment. If I SOR it for a sensible fee I'm hoping to get out without losing too much - but it's definitely not an investment! I love cars and want to own them all while I'm young and I can.

[Quickmoose]

BUG4LIFE said:

This is a rather odd thread isn't it?!

Anyway, I'm sure I read yesterday, in a Sunday newspaper magazine, that part of the process of being 'picked' to buy the new Ford GT was now many Twitter followers you've got.

I guess Ford want to use the GT to promote the brand but I found this a bit sad Maybe I wasn't reading the article correctly [I had my nephew jumping all over me]?!

The size of your online/social media following was a factor that Ford took into account vs how much you'd use the thing...so yeah very much "who will shove this car in as many faces as possible to promote the brand"

Makes lot of sense....and is sad too...in equal measure I feel..

[lemmingjames]

North West Tom said:

How TGE's sleeping knowing a bunch of randomers on the internet are discussing his decision making...

Wont he drown if he sleeps in a swimming pool? Does he know youre following him around waiting for him to fall asleep so you can take pics?

[camshafted]

BUG4LIFE said:

This is a rather odd thread isn't it?!

Anyway, I'm sure I read yesterday, in a Sunday newspaper magazine, that part of the process of being 'picked' to buy the new Ford GT was now many Twitter followers you've got.

I guess Ford want to use the GT to promote the brand but I found this a bit sad Maybe I wasn't reading the article correctly [I had my nephew jumping all over me]?!

From The Sunday Times - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/magazine/the-sunday-tim...

Guy Martin said:

Ford is going to build 1,000 GTs, so it’s not enough to have the £450,000 asking price to buy one. A friend of mine has the previous GT and he was on the waiting list for one of these but wasn’t allocated one in the first round of sales. He asked if I could help him get one, as he doesn’t do any of that social media stuff and part of the application process is how many Twitter followers you’ve got.

Since when has it mattered how many followers you’ve got on Twitter, or even if you’re on it, when it comes to whether you’re the right person to buy a car? That puts me off it even more.

If correct, that is very disappointing from Ford.

[Shmee]

camshafted said:

If correct, that is very disappointing from Ford.

It is substantially more complex than that.

Ford ran a hugely public campaign for applications from April-May 2016 where they received just over 6,500 in total for the first 500 cars to be built. amongst that you had to submit information about your car collection, usage of cars, motorsport participation, business connections to Ford, social media usage and a lot more - including creating a video reel up to 60 seconds of length. The cars were distributed on a pretty even keel amongst people from all genres and categories and from my knowledge a small handful of 'social media people' such as myself received allocations.

It is their desire for the cars to be used, seen, shared, and not flipped; the easiest way to do this is to retain tight control over who gets one in the first place. What they didn't want is the collections who typically just get one of everything but never use them or do anything with it to have one, and equally they inevitably faced a brick wall with 500 new cars versus the 4,038 previous generation. In theory there is a further batch for allocation in due course and from my understanding those will go on the whole to previous owners (in addition to those who already received an allocation) but for now the distribution is fairly spread out.

Did your actual outright number of social media followers get you a car? Absolutely not, I know many people in the social media world that were disappointed that it actually didn't; one or two who were very public about it.

[camshafted]

Thanks Tim.

You'll know far more about the GT than most. Is there a reason behind the 1,000 production run?

As they will want the car to be used and exposed, why not build an amount that satisfies customer demand?

Or, even at £450,000, is it a loss-leader for them and 500-1,000 will cover most of the production and development costs while attracting customers into more 'real world' Ford Performance cars?

[e30m3Mark]

TGETV said:

Stuff said earlier on video.

Hopefully silences the doubters.

Odd that you get so much stick for selling your cars and/or spending your cash however you see fit. Quite like the video's and a bit of welcome lighthearted relief from the PPF, wrap content. Mind you, the shakey, wandering about camera footage causes some sea sickness.

Any plans to do anything with more humble forms of transportation that us lesser mortals (with rubbish credit) might relate to?

[cayman-black]

TGETV said:

Hi everyone, apologies, had a busy weekend to be getting on with.
Back at work on the snacks trolley today so got a few mins to calm things down - this may annoy some people but at least it should be clear,

- Sold car privately on McLaren owners forum; lost more than £5k. Originally agreed list with 2 people both pulled out within days. Eventually got someone to agree after dropping price. No dealers wanted it, and McLaren didn't return messages or calls about selling it for me. They got first refusal and had known the car was coming up for sale in Sept for months in advance. Still no buyer found. It was a pain.
- I can fill a hand with friends that have cancelled theirs, and that's only the start of it.
- The new owner has since been away, so left car at his friends at GVE, & they've gone fishing with it (believe me I followed right up when I saw it online)
- Prices things are listed at aren't neccessarily the price they sell for
- The point before this is important

Would like to stress, losing money on a full production McLaren is hardly a suprise. This soon, possibly slightly eyebrow raising, but not totally unexpected. Do I care? Not really, still worth it for the experience, and is not a lot to lose in the scheme of things. Just a shame I didn't have it longer, and I must say the recent cancellations and other shenanigans did rock my confidence and pushed me into punting it with slightly more urgency than perhaps I anticipated.
For those saying I bought it to make money with - I may look stupid, but buying a non limited £250k McLaren in an overpriced, launch, basic spec, then selling as we approach autumn is hardly investment material. I had estimated up to £15k loss between my June - Sept ownership period which I was willing to roll with. I've done ok on some cars which luckily I've not loved, meaning sale has been easy, and the others have held or dropped nominal amounts. Yes, I don't keep them forever, but I like variation. I am happy to admit the only mistake I think I've made was selling my F12.
Residuals are one factor of many I consider when buying a car, not the only one.
The only reason I'm able to drive these things is because of my attitude towards where I have stuck my cash over the past few years, and I make no apology my way of doing things.

Aventador S is controversial, and technically a 'worse' car than the 720S. But I want a silly 6.5L V12 in my ears behind my head. Would never have bought the old one, but this new one they've done just about enough to make it passable, IMO. Again, not an investment. If I SOR it for a sensible fee I'm hoping to get out without losing too much - but it's definitely not an investment! I love cars and want to own them all while I'm young and I can.

Nice post , telling like it is !