Are these Vloggers just a scam? SOL or Shmee etc???????
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Tim and his team work very hard to provide the content, and they pay attention to what their fans want and what they don't want and refine accordingly.
I can't watch his videos, most of them don't appeal to me at all, but i've got a lot of time for him as an individual (off camera).
It's all too easy for the PH collective to say this and that, but how many of us have tried to produce Youtube content? It ain't easy.
I can't watch his videos, most of them don't appeal to me at all, but i've got a lot of time for him as an individual (off camera).
It's all too easy for the PH collective to say this and that, but how many of us have tried to produce Youtube content? It ain't easy.
RoverP6B said:
I just don't get the continual obsession with supercars. As Top Gear showed, you can have just as much fun in some slow but characterful old heap bought for (by Tim's standards) pocket change as you can in whatever the latest million-dollar wonder is.
Because that won’t pull in the same number of views as the latest and greatest supercars. Davey S2 said:
Because that won’t pull in the same number of views as the latest and greatest supercars.
You don't think the youngsters would watch something showing them how they can have fun at safe speeds and on a budget they could actually stretch to? The relevance of the McLaren Senna to 99.999% of Shmee's 18-30 viewer base is minimal.BlackLabel said:
I like this channel. Weird, but a great parody of so much YouTube content that is a fairly worthless mix of recycled garbage and speculation! New changes coming to YT creators in particular smaller channels:
YouTube tightens the rules around creator monetization and partnerships
In an effort to regain advertisers’ trust, Google is announcing what it says are “tough but necessary” changes to YouTube monetization.
For one thing, it’s setting a higher bar for the YouTube Partner Program, which is what allows publishers to make money through advertising. Previously, they needed 10,000 total views to join the program. Starting today, channels also need to have 1,000 subscribers and 4,000 hours of view time in the past year. (For now, those are just requirements to join the program, but Google says it will also start applying them to current partners on February 20.)
This might assure marketers that their ads are less likely to run on random, fly-by-night channels, but as Google’s Paul Muret writes, “Of course, size alone is not enough to determine whether a channel is suitable for advertising.”
So in addition, he said:
We will closely monitor signals like community strikes, spam, and other abuse flags to ensure they comply with our policies. Both new and existing YPP channels will be automatically evaluated under this strict criteria and if we find a channel repeatedly or egregiously violates our community guidelines, we will remove that channel from YPP. As always, if the account has been issued three community guidelines strikes, we will remove that user’s accounts and channels from YouTube.
Muret also described changes planned for the more exclusive Google Preferred program, which is supposed to be limited to the best and most popular content. Vlogger Logan Paul was part of Google Preferred until the controversy over his “suicide forest” video got him kicked out last week — a story that suggests some of the limitations to Google’s approach.
Moving forward, Muret said the program will offer “not only … the most popular content on YouTube, but also the most vetted.” That means everything in Google Preferred should be manually curated, with ads only running “on videos that have been verified to meet our ad-friendly guidelines.” (Looks like all those new content moderators will be busy.)
Lastly, Muret said YouTube will be introducing a new “three-tier suitability system” in the next few months, aimed at giving marketers more control over the trade-off between running ads in safer environments versus reaching more viewers.
YouTube tightens the rules around creator monetization and partnerships
In an effort to regain advertisers’ trust, Google is announcing what it says are “tough but necessary” changes to YouTube monetization.
For one thing, it’s setting a higher bar for the YouTube Partner Program, which is what allows publishers to make money through advertising. Previously, they needed 10,000 total views to join the program. Starting today, channels also need to have 1,000 subscribers and 4,000 hours of view time in the past year. (For now, those are just requirements to join the program, but Google says it will also start applying them to current partners on February 20.)
This might assure marketers that their ads are less likely to run on random, fly-by-night channels, but as Google’s Paul Muret writes, “Of course, size alone is not enough to determine whether a channel is suitable for advertising.”
So in addition, he said:
We will closely monitor signals like community strikes, spam, and other abuse flags to ensure they comply with our policies. Both new and existing YPP channels will be automatically evaluated under this strict criteria and if we find a channel repeatedly or egregiously violates our community guidelines, we will remove that channel from YPP. As always, if the account has been issued three community guidelines strikes, we will remove that user’s accounts and channels from YouTube.
Muret also described changes planned for the more exclusive Google Preferred program, which is supposed to be limited to the best and most popular content. Vlogger Logan Paul was part of Google Preferred until the controversy over his “suicide forest” video got him kicked out last week — a story that suggests some of the limitations to Google’s approach.
Moving forward, Muret said the program will offer “not only … the most popular content on YouTube, but also the most vetted.” That means everything in Google Preferred should be manually curated, with ads only running “on videos that have been verified to meet our ad-friendly guidelines.” (Looks like all those new content moderators will be busy.)
Lastly, Muret said YouTube will be introducing a new “three-tier suitability system” in the next few months, aimed at giving marketers more control over the trade-off between running ads in safer environments versus reaching more viewers.
Yeah I had the email saying my channel is being cut off as from the 20th Feb. Shame really.
I’ve had about 3000 hours views in the last year, it’s made me about £100 a year for the last couple of years, hardly bank breaking stuff so I’m sure ill get over it.
I’d been considering just deleting the whole thing anyway, so I’ll probably just crack on with that. Not like it will be missed
I’ve had about 3000 hours views in the last year, it’s made me about £100 a year for the last couple of years, hardly bank breaking stuff so I’m sure ill get over it.
I’d been considering just deleting the whole thing anyway, so I’ll probably just crack on with that. Not like it will be missed
zorba_the_greek said:
dannyDC2 said:
Joey Deacon said:
dannyDC2 said:
Ok, send us £2k a month and I'll get right on it. 
Hurry up, we need to know if good car is officially dead this time!p.s. plan to attend DN20 in Sept, would be great to see you out there!
dannyDC2 said:
Funny you should mention that, I've often thought about going to the Nurburgring in my DC2 and making a video whilst out there. One day I'll get around to it...
Follow you on Twitter and Instragram so keep tabs on your cars etc.. that way and appreciate how much time and effort it takes to put together even a short vid.
The YouTube monetisation change is interesting.
Shmee, as one of the channels that's going to be managed "manually" with the preferred status (I think you said yours was?), do you see this as benefiting you with more effective ads and support from YT, or just a kneejerk over Logan Paul that at best won't do anything helpful, and could cause hassle?
Shmee, as one of the channels that's going to be managed "manually" with the preferred status (I think you said yours was?), do you see this as benefiting you with more effective ads and support from YT, or just a kneejerk over Logan Paul that at best won't do anything helpful, and could cause hassle?
dannyDC2 said:
Funny you should mention that, I've often thought about going to the Nurburgring in my DC2 and making a video whilst out there. One day I'll get around to it...
I think he means document the whole process with how you choose which days to go, book the track time, decide on where to stay and the best way to get over there, full rundown on costs etc.RoverP6B said:
Davey S2 said:
Because that won’t pull in the same number of views as the latest and greatest supercars.
You don't think the youngsters would watch something showing them how they can have fun at safe speeds and on a budget they could actually stretch to? The relevance of the McLaren Senna to 99.999% of Shmee's 18-30 viewer base is minimal.What they can't do is drive a McLaren so they live the experience thru one of these vloggers.
GreatGranny said:
Follow you on Twitter and Instragram so keep tabs on your cars etc.. that way and appreciate how much time and effort it takes to put together even a short vid.
InitialDave said:
I think he means document the whole process with how you choose which days to go, book the track time, decide on where to stay and the best way to get over there, full rundown on costs etc.
All those things are subjective though. I would only be giving my opinion on the matter, from which people always find time to disagree with. egor110 said:
RoverP6B said:
Davey S2 said:
Because that won’t pull in the same number of views as the latest and greatest supercars.
You don't think the youngsters would watch something showing them how they can have fun at safe speeds and on a budget they could actually stretch to? The relevance of the McLaren Senna to 99.999% of Shmee's 18-30 viewer base is minimal.What they can't do is drive a McLaren so they live the experience thru one of these vloggers.
I agree with you in that you can have just as much fun in something cheap and cheerful but that's not what these vids are about. Youngsters would rather watch and dream about being invited to Porsche / Aston / Ferrari to see their new supercar being build then flying it to Dubai to mess around with for a couple of weeks.
dannyDC2 said:
All those things are subjective though. I would only be giving my opinion on the matter, from which people always find time to disagree with.
Well, that's pretty standard, really, it's more people might be interested in the thoughts behind the choices, give them things to consider when planning a trip themselves.dannyDC2 said:
InitialDave said:
I think he means document the whole process with how you choose which days to go, book the track time, decide on where to stay and the best way to get over there, full rundown on costs etc.
All those things are subjective though. I would only be giving my opinion on the matter, from which people always find time to disagree with. I still think there's a vlog to be done about the place though. thus far, everyone's videos are about "me" or "me and my mates" or "X or Y car", but no one's really gone and spoken to different drivers and talked about the track days. (Or have they?)
There's the ubiquity of M3s and GT3s to be briefly explained. There's always the odd few fun exotic machines - Mclaren P1s, Ferrari Scuderias etc. etc. - which are popular for viewers. But then there's the bonkers mad stuff, like Nigel Pinder's (Wh00sher on here) turbo Golf and, last year when I was at DN17, there was a father and son from the North West UK, the former running a Vectra with a touring car engine and the latter running a plain, white Astramax van with the same power plant, fast too.
I think the stories some people have about the place would be interesting too; the good (best times) and the bad (the crashes) etc.
Digga said:
dannyDC2 said:
InitialDave said:
I think he means document the whole process with how you choose which days to go, book the track time, decide on where to stay and the best way to get over there, full rundown on costs etc.
All those things are subjective though. I would only be giving my opinion on the matter, from which people always find time to disagree with. I still think there's a vlog to be done about the place though. thus far, everyone's videos are about "me" or "me and my mates" or "X or Y car", but no one's really gone and spoken to different drivers and talked about the track days. (Or have they?)
There's the ubiquity of M3s and GT3s to be briefly explained. There's always the odd few fun exotic machines - Mclaren P1s, Ferrari Scuderias etc. etc. - which are popular for viewers. But then there's the bonkers mad stuff, like Nigel Pinder's (Wh00sher on here) turbo Golf and, last year when I was at DN17, there was a father and son from the North West UK, the former running a Vectra with a touring car engine and the latter running a plain, white Astramax van with the same power plant, fast too.
I think the stories some people have about the place would be interesting too; the good (best times) and the bad (the crashes) etc.
kiethton said:
Misha Charoudin does a fair bit of this during the season - I rate his content pretty highly too
I quite like Misha, but as much as he talks to drivers and spots cars, it's a bit more incidental and usually part of a piece about him, his car(s) or a bit of subject matter he wants to discuss. I do think there's some scope to just do a piece about individuals and their cars and their experiences/stories at the 'Ring.dannyDC2 said:
zorba_the_greek said:
dannyDC2 said:
Joey Deacon said:
dannyDC2 said:
Ok, send us £2k a month and I'll get right on it.
Hurry up, we need to know if good car is officially dead this time!p.s. plan to attend DN20 in Sept, would be great to see you out there!
Book another Nurburgring track day following, completion of your latest works/mods etc... on the DC2
Personally i very much enjoy following the progress, road /trackday driving of the DC2 and the E46 M3.
Keep it up!
dannyDC2 said:
Digga said:
I do think there's some scope to just do a piece about individuals and their cars and their experiences/stories at the 'Ring.
Don't you fancy having a go at filling the gap yourself? Nurburgringers like to watch/criticise other Nurburgringers, people who hope or aspire to go to the 'Ring might also watch, and there's always those who watch anything Nurburgring.
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