Are these Vloggers just a scam? SOL or Shmee etc???????
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What I find hard to believe are the numbers of people subscribed to these channels. How long has Archibald I'm not Lewis etc been around for? I know of some really good channels that make really great content okay they not be car related but they might have sub 10k subscribers whereas these guys have ten times that if not more!
How does that honestly happen? Because they are Shmee/STG endorsed or are they easily findable on Youtube kids?
How does that honestly happen? Because they are Shmee/STG endorsed or are they easily findable on Youtube kids?
Jayonara said:
How does that honestly happen? Because they are Shmee/STG endorsed or are they easily findable on Youtube kids?
I'd say it's because of their background and who you know or who wants to work with you because of your background but the PH snowflakes will be all over me so I won't say anything. Beefmeister said:
The rich parents/hand fed thing is a silly assumption in my experience. A friend of mine from university was a normal guy, had nice clothes etc but had to get two jobs while he was studying (as did I) and was a really good bloke, very modest.
A couple of years after we graduated I happened to give him a lift back to his parents house one christmas to find a sodding great mansion, helicopter on the rear lawn, a selection of supercars and Rolls in the garages and apparently five or six other properties around the world, along with a massive yacht. Dad is a billionaire.
Turns out with all his kids he cut them off when they turned 18, off you into the world and make your own way. Got a lot of respect for that.
Now Even I agree with this. I know one or Two families that OWN international Banks , serious global names in banking history etc Bunch of right FU kids living off trusts worth 60 Million each minimum . Class A monkeys running around exotic beaches and slopes .Parents not exactly proud .But they reached the age and had access to the trusts .So they can start to spunk it . I would also not want if i was rich,my son to think its all coming his way .A couple of years after we graduated I happened to give him a lift back to his parents house one christmas to find a sodding great mansion, helicopter on the rear lawn, a selection of supercars and Rolls in the garages and apparently five or six other properties around the world, along with a massive yacht. Dad is a billionaire.
Turns out with all his kids he cut them off when they turned 18, off you into the world and make your own way. Got a lot of respect for that.
Years ago , some of you will remember "Jack Walker (steel) " A mega wealthy man. Has a son called Charles, the ultimate cock you could ever meet . His father was ashamed of him. He left school to go and work with his father . Turned up all suited and booted. Only to be told by a man at gate to bugger off back home and come back with some work clothes . He had thought "great , i will be with my Dad acting the cock and been a boss etc" The father thought "Son, if you think I am going to let you walk in here (Mother was behind it all) and screw up my business and upset the workers .You are well wrong" Jack told his son, he would start of and learn the business the hard way . Thats a good father .
Edited by brianashley on Thursday 27th April 11:12
Dave Hedgehog said:
Beefmeister said:
Turns out with all his kids he cut them off when they turned 18, off you into the world and make your own way. Got a lot of respect for that.
to me that's an ahole move, it admonishes the parent of any responsibility of educating their kids properly, its a cop out just so they don't get embarrassed by a paris hilton type kid that shows up how bad a parent they are It's not that I'm afraid they'll behave crassly with the money but that I want them to have some sense of drive and purpose and ambition. Perhaps the YouTubers being criticised here (indirectly) for having rich parents also come from similar types of upbringings. I don't know, I merely put it out there as a counterpoint to the criticism.
It's a strange one, on one hand some are saying they are bankrolled by their family etc...and they are slated for this.....then someone says their rich friends dad said to his son to find his own way in life....and now that's being look down on! Lose/Lose situation then? I guess it always comes down to if you are from a wealthy family people will always assume bank of mum & dad paid for everything regardless if you've worked hard to buy it yourself.
I think as nobody knows how or where their money is coming from (some youtube revenue/some savings/money earned from racing etc..) some just assume and belittle these guys for it! I mean come on, if you were given that life you'd turn round and say no thanks im fine i'll stick with my corsa!!
I think as nobody knows how or where their money is coming from (some youtube revenue/some savings/money earned from racing etc..) some just assume and belittle these guys for it! I mean come on, if you were given that life you'd turn round and say no thanks im fine i'll stick with my corsa!!
Jayonara said:
What I find hard to believe are the numbers of people subscribed to these channels. How long has Archibald I'm not Lewis etc been around for? I know of some really good channels that make really great content okay they not be car related but they might have sub 10k subscribers whereas these guys have ten times that if not more!
How does that honestly happen? Because they are Shmee/STG endorsed or are they easily findable on Youtube kids?
Firstly there's no doubt that hooking up with one of the existing big hitters in the space helps as an accelerant. Its interesting to note that whilst in the early stages this can benefit both parties over reliance starts to cannibalise views.How does that honestly happen? Because they are Shmee/STG endorsed or are they easily findable on Youtube kids?
Secondly you need to factor the global reach of YouTube. I have no evidence to support this statement but I would suggest that there are significantly more people globally of the dreamer/aspirer mould than there are those who want to really get under the skin. Shmee has himself been quite open about this - supercars get the mega views which channels like his need to be sustainable classics and racing don't.
Thirdly in comparison to other You Tubers appealing to mass markets even Shmee's numbers are relativeky small. Take some of the gamers out there including a guy called KSI who puts out utter dross and yet has over 6 million subscribers. Just as with some of the channels under discussion here there is a marked difference between what different demographics perceive as quality content hence why it's hard for some to decipher the success.
Beefmeister said:
The rich parents/hand fed thing is a silly assumption in my experience. A friend of mine from university was a normal guy, had nice clothes etc but had to get two jobs while he was studying (as did I) and was a really good bloke, very modest.
A couple of years after we graduated I happened to give him a lift back to his parents house one christmas to find a sodding great mansion, helicopter on the rear lawn, a selection of supercars and Rolls in the garages and apparently five or six other properties around the world, along with a massive yacht. Dad is a billionaire.
Turns out with all his kids he cut them off when they turned 18, off you into the world and make your own way. Got a lot of respect for that.
I know you seem to have your nose wedged firmly up the ring of most of the 'youtubers' etc but your example, I would argue, is the exception. And even if that were not the case, the comfort of security brings with it a huge amount of opportunity and a different risk profile to the average man needing to sleep under a roof and have food in their stomach.A couple of years after we graduated I happened to give him a lift back to his parents house one christmas to find a sodding great mansion, helicopter on the rear lawn, a selection of supercars and Rolls in the garages and apparently five or six other properties around the world, along with a massive yacht. Dad is a billionaire.
Turns out with all his kids he cut them off when they turned 18, off you into the world and make your own way. Got a lot of respect for that.
The point RSK21 makes is pertinent - some 'youtubers' shy away from topics about their wealth whereas others are more open and honest, neither of which are a problem. After all, why is it the viewers prerogative to know how they accumulated what they have.
However, the more dangerous to me are the smoke and mirrors ones who I have witnessed on quite a few equations directly responding to aspirational kids watching about these "businesses". It's bad enough that every young person these days imagines an easy life of fame and fortune winning lotteries, being pop stars/footballers or having some sort of "lifestyle business", without having another tranche of industry that purports you too can become a supercar owner in 12 months walking around like a chopper talking into a gopro. As another recent poster has highlighted, there is a common denominator in the most watched car 'youtubers' (aside from SOL) and its akin to the common denominator with most of the House of Lords. The difference is that the latter don't pull on a hoodie and talk into a camera about how they also have 3 other businesses (that are private and they won't name) that are social media consultants, etc <insert usual twaddle>.
For the record I didn't say I have a problem with rich kids being bankrolled (or at least being aided) with their YouTube hobbies by their mega rich parents.
That's their prerogative and it's evident there is a difference in opinion on whether this is right or wrong.
What I was saying I disagree with is how many of them try (completely unnecessarily in my opinion) to make out that they've come from nothing and that it ends up spoiling it for people like SOL who genuinely have.
Sure, there are plenty of assumptions in my posts but that goes for pretty much every post made on this thread!
That's their prerogative and it's evident there is a difference in opinion on whether this is right or wrong.
What I was saying I disagree with is how many of them try (completely unnecessarily in my opinion) to make out that they've come from nothing and that it ends up spoiling it for people like SOL who genuinely have.
Sure, there are plenty of assumptions in my posts but that goes for pretty much every post made on this thread!
Shnozz said:
I know you seem to have your nose wedged firmly up the ring of most of the 'youtubers' etc but your example, I would argue, is the exception. And even if that were not the case, the comfort of security brings with it a huge amount of opportunity and a different risk profile to the average man needing to sleep under a roof and have food in their stomach.
The point RSK21 makes is pertinent - some 'youtubers' shy away from topics about their wealth whereas others are more open and honest, neither of which are a problem. After all, why is it the viewers prerogative to know how they accumulated what they have.
However, the more dangerous to me are the smoke and mirrors ones who I have witnessed on quite a few equations directly responding to aspirational kids watching about these "businesses". It's bad enough that every young person these days imagines an easy life of fame and fortune winning lotteries, being pop stars/footballers or having some sort of "lifestyle business", without having another tranche of industry that purports you too can become a supercar owner in 12 months walking around like a chopper talking into a gopro. As another recent poster has highlighted, there is a common denominator in the most watched car 'youtubers' (aside from SOL) and its akin to the common denominator with most of the House of Lords. The difference is that the latter don't pull on a hoodie and talk into a camera about how they also have 3 other businesses (that are private and they won't name) that are social media consultants, etc <insert usual twaddle>.
Can we go for a pint please. Great postThe point RSK21 makes is pertinent - some 'youtubers' shy away from topics about their wealth whereas others are more open and honest, neither of which are a problem. After all, why is it the viewers prerogative to know how they accumulated what they have.
However, the more dangerous to me are the smoke and mirrors ones who I have witnessed on quite a few equations directly responding to aspirational kids watching about these "businesses". It's bad enough that every young person these days imagines an easy life of fame and fortune winning lotteries, being pop stars/footballers or having some sort of "lifestyle business", without having another tranche of industry that purports you too can become a supercar owner in 12 months walking around like a chopper talking into a gopro. As another recent poster has highlighted, there is a common denominator in the most watched car 'youtubers' (aside from SOL) and its akin to the common denominator with most of the House of Lords. The difference is that the latter don't pull on a hoodie and talk into a camera about how they also have 3 other businesses (that are private and they won't name) that are social media consultants, etc <insert usual twaddle>.
I think the problem is transparency. I might have an ounce of respect for these guys if they turned round and said "hey yeah I'm rich because my father owns a successful business so I get to have access to all these cool cars, this isn't normal and if you want this you need to become like my father and not me"
Okay so that's not going to sit well with the children watching their videos but when you have such a vast reach you become more than just a guy with a camera you are potentially influencing a HUGE amount of young people. You are basically a role model to these people who lets face it are impressionable and stupid on the whole. That's not their fault they are just young. It's totally wrong to sell them this false lifestyle!
Besides the fact of wasting their time. Let them watch Chris Harris slide that Mclaren or Porsche around rather than make a dreadful video of said car getting wrapped or getting a new exhaust. These guys can afford expensive gear like you wouldn't believe. Go and get creative with it! Get people to say "yeah he had a great start in life but he's made the best of what he had"
Okay so that's not going to sit well with the children watching their videos but when you have such a vast reach you become more than just a guy with a camera you are potentially influencing a HUGE amount of young people. You are basically a role model to these people who lets face it are impressionable and stupid on the whole. That's not their fault they are just young. It's totally wrong to sell them this false lifestyle!
Besides the fact of wasting their time. Let them watch Chris Harris slide that Mclaren or Porsche around rather than make a dreadful video of said car getting wrapped or getting a new exhaust. These guys can afford expensive gear like you wouldn't believe. Go and get creative with it! Get people to say "yeah he had a great start in life but he's made the best of what he had"
Shnozz said:
I know you seem to have your nose wedged firmly up the ring of most of the 'youtubers' etc
I do not have my nose wedged thanks very much. I'm friends with a few of them. And they know fully well that I speak my mind with them, never blow smoke up their arses. I'm no sycophant.
Now cock off.
Beefmeister said:
Shnozz said:
I know you seem to have your nose wedged firmly up the ring of most of the 'youtubers' etc
I do not have my nose wedged thanks very much. I'm friends with a few of them. And they know fully well that I speak my mind with them, never blow smoke up their arses. I'm no sycophant.
Now cock off.
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