Are these Vloggers just a scam? SOL or Shmee etc???????
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Murphy16 said:
There seems to be a lot of clickbait thumbnails for videos on youtube, so for instance if I search 'E92 M3', you'll see videos with big writing on the thumbnail saying '5 things i HATE about my M3! ' or 'Why i BLEW UP the engine in my M3!', 'You wont BELIEVE what this M3 does!'. Minor grievance i know, but irritating none the less. Then the video will be poor content, quite often delivered by someone with no actual knowledge, just a large bank account and/or a face and voice for videos.
YouTube now looks at the content of thumbnails for advertising and search ranking, which is why everyone is doing that with thumbnails now.Lord Marylebone said:
The way everyone under a certain age watches TV has changed massively in only a couple of years or so. I have realised that I'm watching mostly 'on demand' content now, not actually much live TV.
What I do watch, is now often 'amateur' content, which is becoming surprisingly professional looking.
Only the other day I watched a great series of programs about the London Underground. It was some guy I had never heard of presenting the show and his mate holding the camera, a bit of clever laptop editing later and you gave a really enjoyable program.
I agree, I haven't even owned a TV for years. I find no shortage of things to watch on YouTube etc, and I don't feel like I'm missing anything at all.What I do watch, is now often 'amateur' content, which is becoming surprisingly professional looking.
Only the other day I watched a great series of programs about the London Underground. It was some guy I had never heard of presenting the show and his mate holding the camera, a bit of clever laptop editing later and you gave a really enjoyable program.
Being exposed to "normal" broadcast TV when I visit my parents or similar feels very restrictive.
I have to say I found it a major turn-off to see all the usual suspect Vloggers present at Goodwood with yet another bit of irrelevant sponsorship
It just seems to have become a business first and the love (and yes awe) for the cars has been lost along the way. Now I look at the titles and think "oh who sponsored you to do this?". And if I see another one with "IDIOTS do something stupid" then I might scream. Funny once, not repeated time and time again
It just seems to have become a business first and the love (and yes awe) for the cars has been lost along the way. Now I look at the titles and think "oh who sponsored you to do this?". And if I see another one with "IDIOTS do something stupid" then I might scream. Funny once, not repeated time and time again
I sat down at 8:15am to eat breakfast on Friday at Goodwood, chap opposite me rocks up with his partner and breakfast, tidies the food up and proceeds to pull out some seriously heavy duty video gear, then films the food for the entirety of the 15 minutes I sat there whilst his partner looked on, somewhat bemused.
I couldn't have even made that up. Each to their own but wtf?!
I have to say it's not all videographers though, there are some automotive photographers I admire greatly who have built up big Instagram followers who now pedal stuff they've been paid to promote on a regular basis, it's hugely off putting, particularly as it's usually done in a casual and not always entirely obvious way. I'd welcome rules where 'influencers' have to flag paid/promoted content.
I couldn't have even made that up. Each to their own but wtf?!
I have to say it's not all videographers though, there are some automotive photographers I admire greatly who have built up big Instagram followers who now pedal stuff they've been paid to promote on a regular basis, it's hugely off putting, particularly as it's usually done in a casual and not always entirely obvious way. I'd welcome rules where 'influencers' have to flag paid/promoted content.
Edited by ukaskew on Sunday 2nd July 23:49
I was at Goodwood in a professional capacity over the weekend, did a few Facebook Live broadcasts from around the place, got around 9-10,000 people viewing live on average which was pretty cool.
Anyway, it was interesting to meet a couple of young (22ish) blokes who are starting a channel soon that focuses on 'normal' cars as was suggested in here a few pages back.
I'm not sure how it'll do to be honest as the 'wow' factor isn't really there so will you get repeat viewers? Though it worked for SaabKyle, his deadpan reviews of ordinary cars seemed to be something that was missing from YT. Maybe these new guys will do similarly well.
Anyway, it was interesting to meet a couple of young (22ish) blokes who are starting a channel soon that focuses on 'normal' cars as was suggested in here a few pages back.
I'm not sure how it'll do to be honest as the 'wow' factor isn't really there so will you get repeat viewers? Though it worked for SaabKyle, his deadpan reviews of ordinary cars seemed to be something that was missing from YT. Maybe these new guys will do similarly well.
Beefmeister said:
Anyway, it was interesting to meet a couple of young (22ish) blokes who are starting a channel soon that focuses on 'normal' cars as was suggested in here a few pages back.
I'm not sure how it'll do to be honest as the 'wow' factor isn't really there so will you get repeat viewers? Though it worked for SaabKyle, his deadpan reviews of ordinary cars seemed to be something that was missing from YT. Maybe these new guys will do similarly well.
Regular Car Reviews is a good example of that - https://www.youtube.com/user/RegularCars - though his humour is not for everyone!I'm not sure how it'll do to be honest as the 'wow' factor isn't really there so will you get repeat viewers? Though it worked for SaabKyle, his deadpan reviews of ordinary cars seemed to be something that was missing from YT. Maybe these new guys will do similarly well.
Shmee said:
I met them too and advised them to crack on, be consistent and fill that gap in the market. Let's see if it works, the trick is doing it for 2 years or so without earning a penny (every day mind), and then the rewards might start.
Indeed.Royal Jordanian did an 'advice for vloggers' type video a while ago and he said pretty much the same thing. Just vlog as best you can and as often as you can for a couple of years and if the market is there for what you produce then rewards will naturally follow.
RJ was clever in that his footage is collected while he is simply going about his daily business, commuting, going to the shops or whatever, and I imagine this made it a slightly more straightforward process to get material.
It's much harder for someone else who has to hold down a 40+ hour a week job to go out and film all the required material for a daily vlog or several times a week vlog.
But I guess it's the same for other similar professions. In the last 5-10 years or so new Automotive photographers have emerged and made it to the top beucase they had the skills, but also as importantly they had enough money behind them to be able to spend a couple of years of their life pretty much working with little or no pay in order to get the experience, time and exposure they needed to succeed.
Beefmeister said:
I was at Goodwood in a professional capacity over the weekend, did a few Facebook Live broadcasts from around the place, got around 9-10,000 people viewing live on average which was pretty cool.
Anyway, it was interesting to meet a couple of young (22ish) blokes who are starting a channel soon that focuses on 'normal' cars as was suggested in here a few pages back.
I'm not sure how it'll do to be honest as the 'wow' factor isn't really there so will you get repeat viewers? Though it worked for SaabKyle, his deadpan reviews of ordinary cars seemed to be something that was missing from YT. Maybe these new guys will do similarly well.
I think theres an audience out there for anythingAnyway, it was interesting to meet a couple of young (22ish) blokes who are starting a channel soon that focuses on 'normal' cars as was suggested in here a few pages back.
I'm not sure how it'll do to be honest as the 'wow' factor isn't really there so will you get repeat viewers? Though it worked for SaabKyle, his deadpan reviews of ordinary cars seemed to be something that was missing from YT. Maybe these new guys will do similarly well.
Regular Cars reviews some dull machines and some ropey ones too and he does it with great style. They're much more interesting watches than yet another video fawning over a super car or another review where the reviewer is clearly too meek to put his opinions down because of who lent them the car.
Mighty Car Mods is another....they seem to only deal with ropey old JDM stuff and doing stuff on the cheap. Its a good watch.
SavageGeese must have the best produced and shot review videos going and I like his dead pan style and in-depth discussions in the garage..... hardly has any subs though! He should really have more
A thing I had to get my head round is the sheer size of youtube. You'd think, that now, there just can't be room for yet another tech-blogger or photoshop channel or a casey neistat character. Its been done, its old news, all the good ideas....all the ideas in fact, have gone. Yet a long term family friend (who is practically a second mother), asked me one day if had heard of I think, Marz bar? on Youtube. I said no. He's her nephew and he does tech reviews and such like. I looked him and he has a big following and makes plenty of money doing it!
I sub to a lot of tech channels and I had literally never even come across the kid's videos and yet there he is with a big following and lots of content. He's not doing anything special or insightful either, its run of the mill stuff... you won't get anything thoroughly interesting like you find with EEVBlog or TechMoan or LinusTechTips or TESTED.
And yet... he's making a living from it; He's affable, easy to watch, show casing cool tech that all the youngsters are after and is a good looking young lad and I guess many his age relate to him well. Doesn't appeal to me because there's no depth but there are plenty of channels for that as mentioned above!
So there you go, something for everyone. If they have an idea, then they should go for it! Someone will be there to watch it. Though I would say I hope they have good personalities. I think people watch for that more than anything else. See Casey Neistat...his videos are 10 minutes of pretty much nothing. But he's racked up a 100k views before he's even finished editing. People just like to watch him.
Lord Marylebone said:
Royal Jordanian did an 'advice for vloggers' type video a while ago and he said pretty much the same thing. Just vlog as best you can and as often as you can for a couple of years and if the market is there for what you produce then rewards will naturally follow.
I would wholeheartedly agree with this.There are very few channels that have succeeded where somebody has said "I'm going to make a channel that does x, and will continue until it becomes a business". Nearly all are started as hobbies, a bit of a side project, but continued for an extended period because the person creating the videos genuinely enjoys it. That's what it needs to become a success else I think the person will almost certainly get bored or run out of resources before getting far enough.
The latter point is of course also important; it takes a lot of hours to edit videos and handle the online side of it, and I can tell you from experience that it dominated my time around the clock outside of my office job in the early years of it all.
KobayashiMaru86 said:
What software are these guys using? Most of them I see using Mac's but surely not all bloggers can afford to do this and turn out videos quite quickly but still being well done. I've never blogged but have got videos I need to get round to editing.
They nearly all use Final cut.The good ones will be using Adobe Premiere and After Effects
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