Are these Vloggers just a scam? SOL or Shmee etc???????
Discussion
Shotaro said:
Just had a quick catch up/binge watch of the latest TGE videos and as AOK mentioned Tom is really natural in front of the camera and this seems to be as he is just being himself, not trying to fit some mold or try and make it seem businessy where you're being influence in a way by promoted brands, etc. and that works really well and he comes across as a top bloke
One of the videos I watched today was when his brother picked up his Huracan and the way it flows is great as it's how it's happened, not some curated and managed production of X happens here then Y is here; naturally evolving content is much more engaging than scripted to my mind
Thank you - purely on a selfish level it's the way I enjoy making videos, doesn't feel like work at all. If I'm enjoying making them it ultimately means more content, and think that probably/hopefully the enjoyment filters through to the audience too.One of the videos I watched today was when his brother picked up his Huracan and the way it flows is great as it's how it's happened, not some curated and managed production of X happens here then Y is here; naturally evolving content is much more engaging than scripted to my mind
TGETV said:
Thank you - purely on a selfish level it's the way I enjoy making videos, doesn't feel like work at all. If I'm enjoying making them it ultimately means more content, and think that probably/hopefully the enjoyment filters through to the audience too.
^^ This is why some people vids are watchable regardless of what the content contains. I find some YT vids so forced and cringe worthy I can't sit through them, even if they are featuring an amazing car.Someone that is genuine and actually interesting in real life makes much more palatable viewing than someone pretending to be someone they are not.
Keep the natural content flowing!
I think that's the difference between you and the likes of DannyDC2 compared to the other regulars, you two just seem to come over on camera much more naturally as you are doing it for the fun of it rather than trying too hard to make a living out of it and as such it makes your videos much more enjoyable to watch.
Gav147 said:
I think that's the difference between you and the likes of DannyDC2 compared to the other regulars, you two just seem to come over on camera much more naturally as you are doing it for the fun of it rather than trying too hard to make a living out of it and as such it makes your videos much more enjoyable to watch.
That's what made dedication blog so good. He makes amusing comments about other youtubers in his goodbye video i.e. what will supercars of london be without the supercar? just london? or london of london? 
RSbandit said:
typically you pay to do these courses and then supposedly they will show you how to make money...always skeptical of these schemes, if you do have a good trading strategy why would you share it with anyone? Use instagram to promote a certain aspirational lifestyle and there are plenty of people who will hand over their money in pursuit of that
I'll weigh in here because I actually built one of these trading education websites for a client who was a notable trader (though I won't name them).I consumed all of the available content as part of the building process - much of it was educational videos giving you a formal and practical understanding of trading.
This wasn't a case of "telling you what positions to take", because I doubt any trader would share such confidential information, but more giving you an education that consisted of the things you need to know but augmented with their experience.
So you would learn the various shapes and trends of the market and what that inevitably means for the various sectors, but you'd get tips about the types of stock to short (and when) in certain conditions (as an example).
I sense these newer academies are more tailored towards the "get rich, quick" audience rather than people who legitimately want to understand how it all works. But in my experience it's certainly not been the case that they give you direct instructions or tip-offs, but more educate you based on their experience. And in that industry, experience matters hugely.
Gav147 said:
I think that's the difference between you and the likes of DannyDC2 compared to the other regulars, you two just seem to come over on camera much more naturally as you are doing it for the fun of it rather than trying too hard to make a living out of it and as such it makes your videos much more enjoyable to watch.
Thank you. Maybe because it's not my livelihood, more of a passion project and a hobby, that may come across!Obviously channel is reaching a size where money is coming through it, and I do monetise my videos too of course, (who wouldn't), but it's nice that I can pick and choose jobs and not feel I have to wring every last penny from it.
This all raises a very interesting topic to me, or at least one my team talk about quite often which is what we could call 'freshness'.
When a channel is new, it's all done for fun and nothing that they do is familiar to the audience because fairly obviously they haven't seen that style before. As things develop, you start to work out your own systems but in the process it becomes less exciting because the audience have in some form seen it before. For examples you only have to look at Top Gear, or look at any TV series or movie franchise etc as pretty much everything follows the same story line.
This grows further as it becomes a job for yourself and ultimately for people around you; there is a pressure to do what is best for the business as opposed to what might just be the most fun. That comes down to finding a delicate balance which will clearly sit at a different threshold for each different person. If you're a person driving around in supercars but getting small views then quite clearly the seriousness with which you treat the business that would attract additional revenue isn't so much of a concern to your daily life. Reverse that and enter a world where it's generating serious revenue and become the primary income source for multiple people dependent upon it, then you'll screw your head on and think about it like a business.
It's all swings and roundabouts and organically people are attracted to things that are fresh and new, but anything in this world develops as it grows, that's just how these things work.
When a channel is new, it's all done for fun and nothing that they do is familiar to the audience because fairly obviously they haven't seen that style before. As things develop, you start to work out your own systems but in the process it becomes less exciting because the audience have in some form seen it before. For examples you only have to look at Top Gear, or look at any TV series or movie franchise etc as pretty much everything follows the same story line.
This grows further as it becomes a job for yourself and ultimately for people around you; there is a pressure to do what is best for the business as opposed to what might just be the most fun. That comes down to finding a delicate balance which will clearly sit at a different threshold for each different person. If you're a person driving around in supercars but getting small views then quite clearly the seriousness with which you treat the business that would attract additional revenue isn't so much of a concern to your daily life. Reverse that and enter a world where it's generating serious revenue and become the primary income source for multiple people dependent upon it, then you'll screw your head on and think about it like a business.
It's all swings and roundabouts and organically people are attracted to things that are fresh and new, but anything in this world develops as it grows, that's just how these things work.
Shmee said:
This all raises a very interesting topic to me, or at least one my team talk about quite often which is what we could call 'freshness'.
It's all swings and roundabouts and organically people are attracted to things that are fresh and new, but anything in this world develops as it grows, that's just how these things work.
Staying one step ahead of everyone is damn hard.
Shmee said:
This all raises a very interesting topic to me, or at least one my team talk about quite often which is what we could call 'freshness'.
When a channel is new, it's all done for fun and nothing that they do is familiar to the audience because fairly obviously they haven't seen that style before. As things develop, you start to work out your own systems but in the process it becomes less exciting because the audience have in some form seen it before. For examples you only have to look at Top Gear, or look at any TV series or movie franchise etc as pretty much everything follows the same story line.
This grows further as it becomes a job for yourself and ultimately for people around you; there is a pressure to do what is best for the business as opposed to what might just be the most fun. That comes down to finding a delicate balance which will clearly sit at a different threshold for each different person. If you're a person driving around in supercars but getting small views then quite clearly the seriousness with which you treat the business that would attract additional revenue isn't so much of a concern to your daily life. Reverse that and enter a world where it's generating serious revenue and become the primary income source for multiple people dependent upon it, then you'll screw your head on and think about it like a business.
It's all swings and roundabouts and organically people are attracted to things that are fresh and new, but anything in this world develops as it grows, that's just how these things work.
There's a line to tread between what is successful and what keeps you sane, too.When a channel is new, it's all done for fun and nothing that they do is familiar to the audience because fairly obviously they haven't seen that style before. As things develop, you start to work out your own systems but in the process it becomes less exciting because the audience have in some form seen it before. For examples you only have to look at Top Gear, or look at any TV series or movie franchise etc as pretty much everything follows the same story line.
This grows further as it becomes a job for yourself and ultimately for people around you; there is a pressure to do what is best for the business as opposed to what might just be the most fun. That comes down to finding a delicate balance which will clearly sit at a different threshold for each different person. If you're a person driving around in supercars but getting small views then quite clearly the seriousness with which you treat the business that would attract additional revenue isn't so much of a concern to your daily life. Reverse that and enter a world where it's generating serious revenue and become the primary income source for multiple people dependent upon it, then you'll screw your head on and think about it like a business.
It's all swings and roundabouts and organically people are attracted to things that are fresh and new, but anything in this world develops as it grows, that's just how these things work.
Take the tired trope that people joke about of what we can call the "new car video sequence", where you can obviously film the build-up, collection, first few days, first long trip, trip to Europe, new exhaust, new mods, new colour, etc etc until you sell the car and repeat with another.
To you as a content creator, it'll be tiresome and soul destroying to be essentially churning out the same content with a different vehicle.
But if that's what the audience consumes and gets good numbers, then to keep the business running that's your 'bread and butter'. Hence the need to augment that content with things that keep you wanting to get up in the morning.
All the while needing to be sensitive to whatever unspoken YouTube algorithm changes are made, what your peers are doing and keeping an ear on the audience to ensure they're not becoming jaded.
seopher said:
... what your peers are doing ...
As with the old joke about not needing to be able to outrun a bear, you just to be able to outrun one of your travel companions, in order for a video in my subscription list to get watched it doesn't have to be the greatest video of all time, just have a more appealing title/thumbnail than any of the others that are new since I last logged in. There are certain channels that knock out infrequent but high quality videos (eg. Mighty Car Mods, once a month on average or Motor Trend, once a week for a full length video etc) that you will watch first and then you fill the available time (eg. however long it takes to eat breakfast or drink a cup of tea) with content from the 'new video every day' crew and then ignore the vast majority of it as there just isn't the time to watch everything from all the channels I subscribe to.
Conversely, If I logged in and the only new video was of Shmee picking his nose (potential title "Should I wipe the bogey on the seat or the steering wheel of my new McLaren?") then I'd probably watch it.
TGE comes across like me/my friends would be in any given situation so i'm comfortable watching the videos. Even in his 720s video the awkwardness wasn't ignored, was kinda funny as it should be having random people stand and watch you take the cover off your car.
I have nothing against Shame but when he gets excited his voice gets higher and he sounds like an excited school kid which makes me feel awkward. Also think the camera work/quality needs to be improved as it's looking dated. I know in the JWW vid he said he didn't have time but unfortunately if the quality isn't there people will go elsewhere no matter who you are. Buying some better cameras and a LUT pack isn't expensive and is required of media people.
Both are comfortable on camera but given the option I'd rather watch a TGE video than a Shame video. But thats the beauty, watch what you like and block the rest.
I have nothing against Shame but when he gets excited his voice gets higher and he sounds like an excited school kid which makes me feel awkward. Also think the camera work/quality needs to be improved as it's looking dated. I know in the JWW vid he said he didn't have time but unfortunately if the quality isn't there people will go elsewhere no matter who you are. Buying some better cameras and a LUT pack isn't expensive and is required of media people.
Both are comfortable on camera but given the option I'd rather watch a TGE video than a Shame video. But thats the beauty, watch what you like and block the rest.
Edited by ashleyman on Tuesday 1st August 14:05
Shmee said:
This all raises a very interesting topic to me, or at least one my team talk about quite often which is what we could call 'freshness'.
When a channel is new, it's all done for fun and nothing that they do is familiar to the audience because fairly obviously they haven't seen that style before. As things develop, you start to work out your own systems but in the process it becomes less exciting because the audience have in some form seen it before. For examples you only have to look at Top Gear, or look at any TV series or movie franchise etc as pretty much everything follows the same story line.
This grows further as it becomes a job for yourself and ultimately for people around you; there is a pressure to do what is best for the business as opposed to what might just be the most fun. That comes down to finding a delicate balance which will clearly sit at a different threshold for each different person. If you're a person driving around in supercars but getting small views then quite clearly the seriousness with which you treat the business that would attract additional revenue isn't so much of a concern to your daily life. Reverse that and enter a world where it's generating serious revenue and become the primary income source for multiple people dependent upon it, then you'll screw your head on and think about it like a business.
It's all swings and roundabouts and organically people are attracted to things that are fresh and new, but anything in this world develops as it grows, that's just how these things work.
For sure. Trod this road a few years back with LDNM. Started as a hobby, (updating social media when we remembered or could be bothered), was fresh, and was a lot easier/arguably more enjoyable. No processes, no accountability, no finances, no expenses. Brilliant.When a channel is new, it's all done for fun and nothing that they do is familiar to the audience because fairly obviously they haven't seen that style before. As things develop, you start to work out your own systems but in the process it becomes less exciting because the audience have in some form seen it before. For examples you only have to look at Top Gear, or look at any TV series or movie franchise etc as pretty much everything follows the same story line.
This grows further as it becomes a job for yourself and ultimately for people around you; there is a pressure to do what is best for the business as opposed to what might just be the most fun. That comes down to finding a delicate balance which will clearly sit at a different threshold for each different person. If you're a person driving around in supercars but getting small views then quite clearly the seriousness with which you treat the business that would attract additional revenue isn't so much of a concern to your daily life. Reverse that and enter a world where it's generating serious revenue and become the primary income source for multiple people dependent upon it, then you'll screw your head on and think about it like a business.
It's all swings and roundabouts and organically people are attracted to things that are fresh and new, but anything in this world develops as it grows, that's just how these things work.
As time goes on it became more engrained as a livelihood and for others around me, and took shape as more of a business, it's a lot more difficult to be fresh/organic/engaging when you have an international multi level business to run, and some people have been customers for 3-4 years.
My Youtube bits are a drop in the ocean atm, it is at the stage that LDNM was in 2013, and I take my hat off to those that've been at it full time for a number of years, particularly the 'pioneers' in this field. Really is not easy at all to maintain.
It could however be easy for me to be smug with 40 something videos I haven't really needed to make, and nobody seemingly bored of me yet, but let's see where we are this time next year. That will be telling. My guess is it could all be in the bin by then as I'm about to start 'steering' away from cars as much as I can.
johnwilliams77 said:
Steering away from cars? What do you mean by that? No owning supercars or just no vids on them?
I'll be running a few ongoing series of videos outside of cars. I will always be into cars and be spending beyond my means on that front, so don't panic - there will always be car related content, just not everything I film will be me stood pointing at a car or sat in one 
TGETV said:
For sure. Trod this road a few years back with LDNM. Started as a hobby, (updating social media when we remembered or could be bothered), was fresh, and was a lot easier/arguably more enjoyable. No processes, no accountability, no finances, no expenses. Brilliant.
As time goes on it became more engrained as a livelihood and for others around me, and took shape as more of a business, it's a lot more difficult to be fresh/organic/engaging when you have an international multi level business to run, and some people have been customers for 3-4 years.
My Youtube bits are a drop in the ocean atm, it is at the stage that LDNM was in 2013, and I take my hat off to those that've been at it full time for a number of years, particularly the 'pioneers' in this field. Really is not easy at all to maintain.
It could however be easy for me to be smug with 40 something videos I haven't really needed to make, and nobody seemingly bored of me yet, but let's see where we are this time next year. That will be telling. My guess is it could all be in the bin by then as I'm about to start 'steering' away from cars as much as I can.
I know where he's heading.. trading tips and property advice. As time goes on it became more engrained as a livelihood and for others around me, and took shape as more of a business, it's a lot more difficult to be fresh/organic/engaging when you have an international multi level business to run, and some people have been customers for 3-4 years.
My Youtube bits are a drop in the ocean atm, it is at the stage that LDNM was in 2013, and I take my hat off to those that've been at it full time for a number of years, particularly the 'pioneers' in this field. Really is not easy at all to maintain.
It could however be easy for me to be smug with 40 something videos I haven't really needed to make, and nobody seemingly bored of me yet, but let's see where we are this time next year. That will be telling. My guess is it could all be in the bin by then as I'm about to start 'steering' away from cars as much as I can.
get us all on side and POW... you're trading 212 in disguise. you b
ddownhillmalins said:
I know where he's heading.. trading tips and property advice.
get us all on side and POW... you're trading 212 in disguise. you bd
LOL. There will be no 'trading' hocus pocus, or 'property' tips.get us all on side and POW... you're trading 212 in disguise. you b
dAt most it'll be the occasional recommendation on the watch front; what I deem to be a good buy. But that'll be annointed with the usual fail safe splash of 'I have no idea what I'm on about' but this is my honest opinion, as I don't want to be responsible for people ploughing their savings into something I'm not 100% about.
TGETV said:
Won't speak for above subject here, but have found easiest way people hide being gifted large sums of cash via family is by saying they, (bedroom) trade and/or are a property developer. Explains them seemingly endlessly faffing around during the week/working hours but procuring supercars from every orifice. Ten a penny on social media.
Hats off to you for distancing yourselves from such people who so obviously fit that mould. You forgot to add " previous lucrative career in the City/built and sold various businesses" to your list though.
It's the disingenuous opacity of so many You Tubers/Instagrammers which pees me off. I don't want a forensic examination of each one's personal accounts but if one has been lucky in life and used that as a springboard don't pretend it's all about being "self made" it makes you look a prick unless of course that's a deliberate strategy to hook the hard of thinking for the all important clicks.
Contrast the scion of the Saga dynasty with his River Island equivalent. One's a "property developer" the other admits he's a lucky guy. One strikes me as a nob, the other doesn't.
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