Are these Vloggers just a scam? SOL or Shmee etc???????
Discussion
Gav147 said:
I think that's the difference between you and the likes of DannyDC2 compared to the other regulars, you two just seem to come over on camera much more naturally as you are doing it for the fun of it rather than trying too hard to make a living out of it and as such it makes your videos much more enjoyable to watch.
Cheers pal!...and since I've just been called out for promoting myself on here (by our mate who will likely spaff in his pants when he see's this)
Did anyone like my E36 vs DC2 track battle vid? There wasn't much 'vlogging' in it - but it seems to have gone down well. I hope people were as happy as me just to have the car back out on track!
Just finished my full Cadwell video now - been on it since I got home from work at 6ish. Late one!
(if you can't beat em, join 'em
)Edited by dannyDC2 on Wednesday 2nd August 01:46
RSK21 said:
TGETV said:
Won't speak for above subject here, but have found easiest way people hide being gifted large sums of cash via family is by saying they, (bedroom) trade and/or are a property developer. Explains them seemingly endlessly faffing around during the week/working hours but procuring supercars from every orifice. Ten a penny on social media.
Hats off to you for distancing yourselves from such people who so obviously fit that mould. You forgot to add " previous lucrative career in the City/built and sold various businesses" to your list though.
It's the disingenuous opacity of so many You Tubers/Instagrammers which pees me off. I don't want a forensic examination of each one's personal accounts but if one has been lucky in life and used that as a springboard don't pretend it's all about being "self made" it makes you look a prick unless of course that's a deliberate strategy to hook the hard of thinking for the all important clicks.
Contrast the scion of the Saga dynasty with his River Island equivalent. One's a "property developer" the other admits he's a lucky guy. One strikes me as a nob, the other doesn't.
Kids from normal backgrounds can't afford to put in the many hours of groundwork and buy flash new cars without £££ coming in from regular jobs. Fair play though, I'd do the same if I had access to similar daddy funds at the beginning; fill my boots with some Fandango filth and Pork.
It's much the same with wealthy young motoring journos who have to start their careers doing full-time 'work experience' at car magazines for many months without pay - mummy and daddy fund it. It's been like that for years.
Edited by TobyTR on Wednesday 2nd August 05:11
TobyTR said:
^^ This. Be honest. Shmee and co had access to a conveyer belt of money from daddy etc, lets not beat around the bush and cut the bull.
Kids from normal backgrounds can't afford to put in the many hours of groundwork and buy flash new cars without £££ coming in from regular jobs. Fair play though, I'd do the same if I had access to similar daddy funds at the beginning; fill my boots with some Fandango filth and Pork.
It's much the same with wealthy young motoring journos who have to start their careers doing full-time 'work experience' at car magazines for many months without pay - mummy and daddy fund it. It's been like that for years.
Jealous much?Kids from normal backgrounds can't afford to put in the many hours of groundwork and buy flash new cars without £££ coming in from regular jobs. Fair play though, I'd do the same if I had access to similar daddy funds at the beginning; fill my boots with some Fandango filth and Pork.
It's much the same with wealthy young motoring journos who have to start their careers doing full-time 'work experience' at car magazines for many months without pay - mummy and daddy fund it. It's been like that for years.
Edited by TobyTR on Wednesday 2nd August 05:11
johnwilliams77 said:
TobyTR said:
^^ This. Be honest. Shmee and co had access to a conveyer belt of money from daddy etc, lets not beat around the bush and cut the bull.
Kids from normal backgrounds can't afford to put in the many hours of groundwork and buy flash new cars without £££ coming in from regular jobs. Fair play though, I'd do the same if I had access to similar daddy funds at the beginning; fill my boots with some Fandango filth and Pork.
It's much the same with wealthy young motoring journos who have to start their careers doing full-time 'work experience' at car magazines for many months without pay - mummy and daddy fund it. It's been like that for years.
Jealous much?Kids from normal backgrounds can't afford to put in the many hours of groundwork and buy flash new cars without £££ coming in from regular jobs. Fair play though, I'd do the same if I had access to similar daddy funds at the beginning; fill my boots with some Fandango filth and Pork.
It's much the same with wealthy young motoring journos who have to start their careers doing full-time 'work experience' at car magazines for many months without pay - mummy and daddy fund it. It's been like that for years.
Edited by TobyTR on Wednesday 2nd August 05:11
TobyTR said:
^^ This. Be honest. Shmee and co had access to a conveyer belt of money from daddy etc, lets not beat around the bush and cut the bull.
Kids from normal backgrounds can't afford to put in the many hours of groundwork and buy flash new cars without £££ coming in from regular jobs. Fair play though, I'd do the same if I had access to similar daddy funds at the beginning; fill my boots with some Fandango filth and Pork.
It's much the same with wealthy young motoring journos who have to start their careers doing full-time 'work experience' at car magazines for many months without pay - mummy and daddy fund it. It's been like that for years.
Sounds like someone wishes they had a handout themselves. i'll ping you a tenner if it means that much to you. Surprised you didn't ask 'So how much did that set you back m8?'.Kids from normal backgrounds can't afford to put in the many hours of groundwork and buy flash new cars without £££ coming in from regular jobs. Fair play though, I'd do the same if I had access to similar daddy funds at the beginning; fill my boots with some Fandango filth and Pork.
It's much the same with wealthy young motoring journos who have to start their careers doing full-time 'work experience' at car magazines for many months without pay - mummy and daddy fund it. It's been like that for years.
Edited by TobyTR on Wednesday 2nd August 05:11
I don't know Tim but his background is relatively public and i think it's generally accepted that he's worked to be where he is rather than benefitting from daddy handouts. Youtubers all get attacked for this and seem to feel the need to explain themselves - whilst sometimes interesting stories at the end of the day it's just pandering to jealous people like you, and the odd 14yo with ambition looking for ideas.
jimmybell said:
Sounds like someone wishes they had a handout themselves. i'll ping you a tenner if it means that much to you. Surprised you didn't ask 'So how much did that set you back m8?'.
I don't know Tim but his background is relatively public and i think it's generally accepted that he's worked to be where he is rather than benefitting from daddy handouts. Youtubers all get attacked for this and seem to feel the need to explain themselves - whilst sometimes interesting stories at the end of the day it's just pandering to jealous people like you, and the odd 14yo with ambition looking for ideas.
Another one who's incapable of reading, pish. What part of 'fair play to him' do you not understand? Back to school.I don't know Tim but his background is relatively public and i think it's generally accepted that he's worked to be where he is rather than benefitting from daddy handouts. Youtubers all get attacked for this and seem to feel the need to explain themselves - whilst sometimes interesting stories at the end of the day it's just pandering to jealous people like you, and the odd 14yo with ambition looking for ideas.
johnwilliams77 said:
Shmee has said repeatedly his family did not help him or fund the cars, what part of that do you not understand?
Keep thinking that, if it makes you feel better buddy. 
But lets get real here; how else would an 18-year-old fresh from his A-Level exams obtain a significant amount of capital to start a retail business at that age, from scratch?...
It's not jealousy - for those that can't read pre-GCSE scansion, read my previous posts; I admire anyone who has the gumption & funds to pull the trigger on any supercar. Respect from one petrolhead to another.
However, as others have stated on this thread previously - It's about being honest with your audience if you choose to put yourself out in the public domain like that. No more bs. Be true to yourself.
Ultimately it comes down to if you buy into it or not...
TobyTR said:
Keep thinking that, if it makes you feel better buddy.
But lets get real here; how else would an 18-year-old fresh from his A-Level exams obtain a significant amount of capital to start a retail business at that age, from scratch?...
It's not jealousy - for those that can't read pre-GCSE scansion, read my previous posts; I admire anyone who has the gumption & funds to pull the trigger on any supercar. Respect from one petrolhead to another.
However, as others have stated on this thread previously - It's about being honest with your audience if you choose to put yourself out in the public domain like that. No more bs. Be true to yourself.
Ultimately it comes down to if you buy into it or not...
BLAH BLAH BLAH as TGE would say, I rather like his style!But lets get real here; how else would an 18-year-old fresh from his A-Level exams obtain a significant amount of capital to start a retail business at that age, from scratch?...
It's not jealousy - for those that can't read pre-GCSE scansion, read my previous posts; I admire anyone who has the gumption & funds to pull the trigger on any supercar. Respect from one petrolhead to another.
However, as others have stated on this thread previously - It's about being honest with your audience if you choose to put yourself out in the public domain like that. No more bs. Be true to yourself.
Ultimately it comes down to if you buy into it or not...
TobyTR said:
Keep thinking that, if it makes you feel better buddy.
But lets get real here; how else would an 18-year-old fresh from his A-Level exams obtain a significant amount of capital to start a retail business at that age, from scratch?...
It's not jealousy - for those that can't read pre-GCSE scansion, read my previous posts; I admire anyone who has the gumption & funds to pull the trigger on any supercar. Respect from one petrolhead to another.
However, as others have stated on this thread previously - It's about being honest with your audience if you choose to put yourself out in the public domain like that. No more bs. Be true to yourself.
Ultimately it comes down to if you buy into it or not...
Its all freely available online if you can be bothered to lookBut lets get real here; how else would an 18-year-old fresh from his A-Level exams obtain a significant amount of capital to start a retail business at that age, from scratch?...
It's not jealousy - for those that can't read pre-GCSE scansion, read my previous posts; I admire anyone who has the gumption & funds to pull the trigger on any supercar. Respect from one petrolhead to another.
However, as others have stated on this thread previously - It's about being honest with your audience if you choose to put yourself out in the public domain like that. No more bs. Be true to yourself.
Ultimately it comes down to if you buy into it or not...
He left school at 18 and set himself up as an electronics retailer in central London, made a fair bit of money and then took time off to travel and work as a ski instructor
When he returned he got a job in the city and made enough money HIMSELF to fund a lifestyle giving him sufficient free time for access to the supercar scene in London and the rest is history
Clear??
numtumfutunch said:
Its all freely available online if you can be bothered to look
He left school at 18 and set himself up - with? ££££££ - as an electronics retailer in central London, made a fair bit of money and then took time off to travel and work as a ski instructor
When he returned he got a job in the city and made enough money HIMSELF to fund a lifestyle giving him sufficient free time for access to the supercar scene in London and the rest is history
Clear??
You failed to answer the poignant question in that, pal - capital. Dig a little deeperHe left school at 18 and set himself up - with? ££££££ - as an electronics retailer in central London, made a fair bit of money and then took time off to travel and work as a ski instructor
When he returned he got a job in the city and made enough money HIMSELF to fund a lifestyle giving him sufficient free time for access to the supercar scene in London and the rest is history
Clear??
What's the harm in admitting - 'yeah, I come from wealth. I'm not totally self-made, I've combined some good fortune with some smart business decisions' etc instead of 'I'm self-made'
Honesty is the best policy. Stay true to yourself. Be unpretentious. Be humble
johnwilliams77 said:
BLAH BLAH BLAH as TGE would say, I rather like his style!
Lols. While I don't really approve of people having their accounts forensically examined on forums, I would also like to point out that anyone can say anything on the internet/social media enough times and it'll become true. Whether it matters or not is an entirely different topic.Make of the above what you will.
Happy to say that while I'm not from a disadvantaged background, I haven't had any handouts, and if I had, I don't think I would have the gall to throw handout funded supercars all over social media with cries of hard work at every turn. Let alone use those undertones to hook the naive/stupid & further my own business endeavours...
Something about being 'self-made' makes me feel slightly more comfortable about sharing my journey online, rightly or wrongly. Although even saying self-made has made me cringe. Might add a #hardwork and a #humble in now too for good measure. Lol. Must also be added that I'm just fairly young, have no responsibilities and finance my cars. I am no Richard Branson but still consider myself extremely fortunate to be able to drive these things, despite being leveraged up to my nostrils
numtumfutunch said:
TobyTR said:
Keep thinking that, if it makes you feel better buddy.
But lets get real here; how else would an 18-year-old fresh from his A-Level exams obtain a significant amount of capital to start a retail business at that age, from scratch?...
It's not jealousy - for those that can't read pre-GCSE scansion, read my previous posts; I admire anyone who has the gumption & funds to pull the trigger on any supercar. Respect from one petrolhead to another.
However, as others have stated on this thread previously - It's about being honest with your audience if you choose to put yourself out in the public domain like that. No more bs. Be true to yourself.
Ultimately it comes down to if you buy into it or not...
Its all freely available online if you can be bothered to lookBut lets get real here; how else would an 18-year-old fresh from his A-Level exams obtain a significant amount of capital to start a retail business at that age, from scratch?...
It's not jealousy - for those that can't read pre-GCSE scansion, read my previous posts; I admire anyone who has the gumption & funds to pull the trigger on any supercar. Respect from one petrolhead to another.
However, as others have stated on this thread previously - It's about being honest with your audience if you choose to put yourself out in the public domain like that. No more bs. Be true to yourself.
Ultimately it comes down to if you buy into it or not...
He left school at 18 and set himself up as an electronics retailer in central London, made a fair bit of money and then took time off to travel and work as a ski instructor
When he returned he got a job in the city and made enough money HIMSELF to fund a lifestyle giving him sufficient free time for access to the supercar scene in London and the rest is history
Clear??
What job?
There seems to be a fairly misunderstood assumption that getting a job in the City makes you rich. What did he actually do in the City?
zeDuffMan said:
akadk said:
Genuinely awesome vid here (not me/mine)
Perfectly captures an epic Euro road trip
Should be just up PH street
I watched the full 35mins and enjoyed it all
https://youtu.be/P3OqgnyIYRA
I really like some of Joe's videos. In fact his M2 and general BMW content helped me settle on getting an M2 myself.Perfectly captures an epic Euro road trip
Should be just up PH street
I watched the full 35mins and enjoyed it all
https://youtu.be/P3OqgnyIYRA
TobyTR said:
You failed to answer the poignant question in that, pal - capital. Dig a little deeper
What's the harm in admitting - 'yeah, I come from wealth. I'm not totally self-made, I've combined some good fortune with some smart business decisions' etc instead of 'I'm self-made'
Honesty is the best policy. Stay true to yourself. Be unpretentious. Be humble
oh god, yet another idiot. What is it about this forum that attracts them?What's the harm in admitting - 'yeah, I come from wealth. I'm not totally self-made, I've combined some good fortune with some smart business decisions' etc instead of 'I'm self-made'
Honesty is the best policy. Stay true to yourself. Be unpretentious. Be humble
Some of us on the Aston Martin forums know Tim from years back when all he could afford (after several years work, and yes setting up mini-electronics business on-line) was a second hand 4.3 Vantage. Yes I know a GBP40k car is more than most can afford, but for someone then working in the City its hardly evidence of a Rockefeller fortune being handed down is it? Are you following this so far Captain Caveman?
And if you take the time its easy enough to follow his evolution up the car ladder since then (including his acknowledgement that some of them are on finance).
Please go crawl back under your rock, its getting boring having to see this thread ruined by fools like you
Now that I've got that off my chest
I was a bit horrified (ok horrified probably too strong a work) watching Mr JWW's vlog yesterday on the 70th anniversary of Ferrari to see him wandering the dealership and not having a clue what the 'classic' was that was parked there (it was a Ferrari 250 GTE).
This is a guy who spends his life doing car Vlogs about cars (mainly Ferrari's it seems) - surely he should have some knowledge of their heritage and some of the major models? Or am I being unreasonable?
it got me to thinking how much the Vloggers actually know about the marques? Do they only know about models from the last 5-10 years? Would SoL recognise a Huracan but not a Miura? Would Tim being able to spot a Vantage but not a DB4? Maybe this is why classics so rarely feature in the Vlogs?
I was a bit horrified (ok horrified probably too strong a work) watching Mr JWW's vlog yesterday on the 70th anniversary of Ferrari to see him wandering the dealership and not having a clue what the 'classic' was that was parked there (it was a Ferrari 250 GTE).
This is a guy who spends his life doing car Vlogs about cars (mainly Ferrari's it seems) - surely he should have some knowledge of their heritage and some of the major models? Or am I being unreasonable?
it got me to thinking how much the Vloggers actually know about the marques? Do they only know about models from the last 5-10 years? Would SoL recognise a Huracan but not a Miura? Would Tim being able to spot a Vantage but not a DB4? Maybe this is why classics so rarely feature in the Vlogs?
RobDown said:
Now that I've got that off my chest
I was a bit horrified (ok horrified probably too strong a work) watching Mr JWW's vlog yesterday on the 70th anniversary of Ferrari to see him wandering the dealership and not having a clue what the 'classic' was that was parked there (it was a Ferrari 250 GTE).
This is a guy who spends his life doing car Vlogs about cars (mainly Ferrari's it seems) - surely he should have some knowledge of their heritage and some of the major models? Or am I being unreasonable?
it got me to thinking how much the Vloggers actually know about the marques? Do they only know about models from the last 5-10 years? Would SoL recognise a Huracan but not a Miura? Would Tim being able to spot a Vantage but not a DB4? Maybe this is why classics so rarely feature in the Vlogs?
They don't get the clickzzzz, it's a business after all.I was a bit horrified (ok horrified probably too strong a work) watching Mr JWW's vlog yesterday on the 70th anniversary of Ferrari to see him wandering the dealership and not having a clue what the 'classic' was that was parked there (it was a Ferrari 250 GTE).
This is a guy who spends his life doing car Vlogs about cars (mainly Ferrari's it seems) - surely he should have some knowledge of their heritage and some of the major models? Or am I being unreasonable?
it got me to thinking how much the Vloggers actually know about the marques? Do they only know about models from the last 5-10 years? Would SoL recognise a Huracan but not a Miura? Would Tim being able to spot a Vantage but not a DB4? Maybe this is why classics so rarely feature in the Vlogs?
RobDown said:
oh god, yet another idiot. What is it about this forum that attracts them?
Some of us on the Aston Martin forums know Tim from years back when all he could afford (after several years work, and yes setting up mini-electronics business on-line) was a second hand 4.3 Vantage. Yes I know a GBP40k car is more than most can afford, but for someone then working in the City its hardly evidence of a Rockefeller fortune being handed down is it? Are you following this so far Captain Caveman?
And if you take the time its easy enough to follow his evolution up the car ladder since then (including his acknowledgement that some of them are on finance).
Please go crawl back under your rock, its getting boring having to see this thread ruined by fools like you
More than a bit harsh and wholly disproportionate to what the chap actually said.Some of us on the Aston Martin forums know Tim from years back when all he could afford (after several years work, and yes setting up mini-electronics business on-line) was a second hand 4.3 Vantage. Yes I know a GBP40k car is more than most can afford, but for someone then working in the City its hardly evidence of a Rockefeller fortune being handed down is it? Are you following this so far Captain Caveman?
And if you take the time its easy enough to follow his evolution up the car ladder since then (including his acknowledgement that some of them are on finance).
Please go crawl back under your rock, its getting boring having to see this thread ruined by fools like you
People really should try and read posts rather than make assumptions as to what they are saying.
Self-made or otherwise, I think the point many hold in disdain is the smoke and mirrors that is trotted out by the majority of vloggers. When quizzed on the topic the answers are opaque at best and its that illusion that the kids are buying into a lifestyle by emulating them in the hope of landing riches.
I couldn't give a rats arris how the vloggers fund their toys, but with age comes a nose for bullsheet and its off the charts when someone, who is self-promoting to the extreme for their vlogging "business" turns very coy about any other business interests.
Sat before a global audience hanging off your every word and idolising you and yet eschewing the opportunity to flog your wares in any of these other alleged businesses. hmmmmm.
As for hand outs, there is also such a thing as family financial security (as well as a spare bedroom/annex in a mahoosive house). You can still be self-made but I dare say doing so with a comfortable place to live, and a large insurance policy behind you, mean that you can approach things more cavalier and, in some cases, in fact even present that business as the engine to your fortunes (even if companies house show a different story as a previous poster pointed out re property investment/trading etc).
Fair play to all. For the self-starters without that background, and to those who have that background but still have the drive to create their own income. The fact the latter might have security behind them is one thing, but to have the motivation to want to build their own thing is admirable. Just stop with the nonsense of a charade that seems to permeate every vlogger out there. Except that loser with the Polo, although he wouldn't be all that convincing at a guess.
I couldn't give a rats arris how the vloggers fund their toys, but with age comes a nose for bullsheet and its off the charts when someone, who is self-promoting to the extreme for their vlogging "business" turns very coy about any other business interests.
Sat before a global audience hanging off your every word and idolising you and yet eschewing the opportunity to flog your wares in any of these other alleged businesses. hmmmmm.
As for hand outs, there is also such a thing as family financial security (as well as a spare bedroom/annex in a mahoosive house). You can still be self-made but I dare say doing so with a comfortable place to live, and a large insurance policy behind you, mean that you can approach things more cavalier and, in some cases, in fact even present that business as the engine to your fortunes (even if companies house show a different story as a previous poster pointed out re property investment/trading etc).
Fair play to all. For the self-starters without that background, and to those who have that background but still have the drive to create their own income. The fact the latter might have security behind them is one thing, but to have the motivation to want to build their own thing is admirable. Just stop with the nonsense of a charade that seems to permeate every vlogger out there. Except that loser with the Polo, although he wouldn't be all that convincing at a guess.
Edited by Shnozz on Wednesday 2nd August 14:28
Shnozz said:
Self-made or otherwise, I think the point many hold in disdain is the smoke and mirrors that is trotted out by the majority of vloggers. When quizzed on the topic the answers are opaque at best and its that illusion that the kids are buying into a lifestyle by emulating them in the hope of landing riches.
I couldn't give a rats arris how the vloggers fund their toys, but with age comes a nose for bullsheet and its off the charts when someone, who is self-promoting to the extreme for their vlogging "business" turns very coy about any other business interests.
Sat before a global audience hanging off your every word and idolising you and yet eschewing the opportunity to flog your wares in any of these other alleged businesses. hmmmmm.
As for hand outs, there is also such a thing as family financial security (as well as a spare bedroom/annex in a mahoosive house). You can still be self-made but I dare say doing so with a comfortable place to live, and a large insurance policy behind you, mean that you can approach things more cavalier and, in some cases, in fact even present that business as the engine to your fortunes (even if companies house show a different story as a previous poster pointed out re property investment/trading etc).
Fair play to all. For the self-starters without that background, and to those who have that background but still have the drive to create their own income. The fact the latter might have security behind them is one thing, but to have the motivation to want to build their own thing is admirable. Just stop with the nonsense of a charade that seems to permeate every vlogger out there. Except that loser with the Polo, although he wouldn't be all that convincing at a guess.
You've pretty much nailed it as far as I'm concerned. I couldn't give a rats arris how the vloggers fund their toys, but with age comes a nose for bullsheet and its off the charts when someone, who is self-promoting to the extreme for their vlogging "business" turns very coy about any other business interests.
Sat before a global audience hanging off your every word and idolising you and yet eschewing the opportunity to flog your wares in any of these other alleged businesses. hmmmmm.
As for hand outs, there is also such a thing as family financial security (as well as a spare bedroom/annex in a mahoosive house). You can still be self-made but I dare say doing so with a comfortable place to live, and a large insurance policy behind you, mean that you can approach things more cavalier and, in some cases, in fact even present that business as the engine to your fortunes (even if companies house show a different story as a previous poster pointed out re property investment/trading etc).
Fair play to all. For the self-starters without that background, and to those who have that background but still have the drive to create their own income. The fact the latter might have security behind them is one thing, but to have the motivation to want to build their own thing is admirable. Just stop with the nonsense of a charade that seems to permeate every vlogger out there. Except that loser with the Polo, although he wouldn't be all that convincing at a guess.
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 2nd August 14:28
The most apposite point of all is that about risk and a fall back position. It's why as much I loathe his content I find Paul Supercar OL in some ways the most impressive of this crop. I'm also impressed by TGE's frankness and ambition.
Now prepare for lots of incoming about you being jealous.
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