Are these Vloggers just a scam? SOL or Shmee etc???????
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RSK21 said:
You've pretty much nailed it as far as I'm concerned.
The most apposite point of all is that about risk and a fall back position. It's why as much I loathe his content I find Paul Supercar OL in some ways the most impressive of this crop. I'm also impressed by TGE's frankness and ambition.
Now prepare for lots of incoming about you being jealous.
I'll get in first then and say there's a vlogger of whom I am jealous. I'd leave Jon Olssen's Mrs' face like a plasterer's radio. Lucky son of a biatch.The most apposite point of all is that about risk and a fall back position. It's why as much I loathe his content I find Paul Supercar OL in some ways the most impressive of this crop. I'm also impressed by TGE's frankness and ambition.
Now prepare for lots of incoming about you being jealous.
RSK21 said:
More than a bit harsh and wholly disproportionate to what the chap actually said.
People really should try and read posts rather than make assumptions as to what they are saying.
I don't agree, I think it was entirely proportionate to the poster accusing someone else of dissimilating. Maybe that doesn't matter to you but we'll have to disagree on that one People really should try and read posts rather than make assumptions as to what they are saying.
Shnozz said:
Self-made or otherwise, I think the point many hold in disdain is the smoke and mirrors that is trotted out by the majority of vloggers. When quizzed on the topic the answers are opaque at best and its that illusion that the kids are buying into a lifestyle by emulating them in the hope of landing riches.
I couldn't give a rats arris how the vloggers fund their toys, but with age comes a nose for bullsheet and its off the charts when someone, who is self-promoting to the extreme for their vlogging "business" turns very coy about any other business interests.
Sat before a global audience hanging off your every word and idolising you and yet eschewing the opportunity to flog your wares in any of these other alleged businesses. hmmmmm.
As for hand outs, there is also such a thing as family financial security (as well as a spare bedroom/annex in a mahoosive house). You can still be self-made but I dare say doing so with a comfortable place to live, and a large insurance policy behind you, mean that you can approach things more cavalier and, in some cases, in fact even present that business as the engine to your fortunes (even if companies house show a different story as a previous poster pointed out re property investment/trading etc).
Fair play to all. For the self-starters without that background, and to those who have that background but still have the drive to create their own income. The fact the latter might have security behind them is one thing, but to have the motivation to want to build their own thing is admirable. Just stop with the nonsense of a charade that seems to permeate every vlogger out there. Except that loser with the Polo, although he wouldn't be all that convincing at a guess.
https://youtu.be/3rzfZF4pClU?t=19m13sI couldn't give a rats arris how the vloggers fund their toys, but with age comes a nose for bullsheet and its off the charts when someone, who is self-promoting to the extreme for their vlogging "business" turns very coy about any other business interests.
Sat before a global audience hanging off your every word and idolising you and yet eschewing the opportunity to flog your wares in any of these other alleged businesses. hmmmmm.
As for hand outs, there is also such a thing as family financial security (as well as a spare bedroom/annex in a mahoosive house). You can still be self-made but I dare say doing so with a comfortable place to live, and a large insurance policy behind you, mean that you can approach things more cavalier and, in some cases, in fact even present that business as the engine to your fortunes (even if companies house show a different story as a previous poster pointed out re property investment/trading etc).
Fair play to all. For the self-starters without that background, and to those who have that background but still have the drive to create their own income. The fact the latter might have security behind them is one thing, but to have the motivation to want to build their own thing is admirable. Just stop with the nonsense of a charade that seems to permeate every vlogger out there. Except that loser with the Polo, although he wouldn't be all that convincing at a guess.
Edited by Shnozz on Wednesday 2nd August 14:28
^^ They all say where they've come from to get to vlogging
jon- said:
Righto. Transparent to the core.My next career is going to be entirely self-made in selling magic beans to youtuber audiences.
RSK21 said:
RobDown said:
oh god, yet another idiot. What is it about this forum that attracts them?
Some of us on the Aston Martin forums know Tim from years back when all he could afford (after several years work, and yes setting up mini-electronics business on-line) was a second hand 4.3 Vantage. Yes I know a GBP40k car is more than most can afford, but for someone then working in the City its hardly evidence of a Rockefeller fortune being handed down is it? Are you following this so far Captain Caveman?
And if you take the time its easy enough to follow his evolution up the car ladder since then (including his acknowledgement that some of them are on finance).
Please go crawl back under your rock, its getting boring having to see this thread ruined by fools like you
More than a bit harsh and wholly disproportionate to what the chap actually said.Some of us on the Aston Martin forums know Tim from years back when all he could afford (after several years work, and yes setting up mini-electronics business on-line) was a second hand 4.3 Vantage. Yes I know a GBP40k car is more than most can afford, but for someone then working in the City its hardly evidence of a Rockefeller fortune being handed down is it? Are you following this so far Captain Caveman?
And if you take the time its easy enough to follow his evolution up the car ladder since then (including his acknowledgement that some of them are on finance).
Please go crawl back under your rock, its getting boring having to see this thread ruined by fools like you
People really should try and read posts rather than make assumptions as to what they are saying.
does anyone really care where these vloggers get there money from ?
as a viewer you have a simple choice , watch one of the videos and then either watch or another or decide it was s
t and not watch anymore.egor110 said:
RSK21 said:
RobDown said:
oh god, yet another idiot. What is it about this forum that attracts them?
Some of us on the Aston Martin forums know Tim from years back when all he could afford (after several years work, and yes setting up mini-electronics business on-line) was a second hand 4.3 Vantage. Yes I know a GBP40k car is more than most can afford, but for someone then working in the City its hardly evidence of a Rockefeller fortune being handed down is it? Are you following this so far Captain Caveman?
And if you take the time its easy enough to follow his evolution up the car ladder since then (including his acknowledgement that some of them are on finance).
Please go crawl back under your rock, its getting boring having to see this thread ruined by fools like you
More than a bit harsh and wholly disproportionate to what the chap actually said.Some of us on the Aston Martin forums know Tim from years back when all he could afford (after several years work, and yes setting up mini-electronics business on-line) was a second hand 4.3 Vantage. Yes I know a GBP40k car is more than most can afford, but for someone then working in the City its hardly evidence of a Rockefeller fortune being handed down is it? Are you following this so far Captain Caveman?
And if you take the time its easy enough to follow his evolution up the car ladder since then (including his acknowledgement that some of them are on finance).
Please go crawl back under your rock, its getting boring having to see this thread ruined by fools like you
People really should try and read posts rather than make assumptions as to what they are saying.
does anyone really care where these vloggers get there money from ?
as a viewer you have a simple choice , watch one of the videos and then either watch another or decide it was s
t and not watch anymore.joshcowin said:
TGETV said:
Crikey. Might put out a video saying I'm a retired astronaut and sold a large inflatable dartboard company in the 90's.
See who buys it.
Do you find it weird that people are so concerned with how you make money? I find it bizarre, who cares!! See who buys it.
Edit: I have not read most of the comments on this thread, so might be missing the point entirely
Been looking into buying a Giulia QF today and stumbled upon Queen B's recent review... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alaVrH0-URw
Completely expecting to click 'next' after 30 seconds, I couldn't have been more wrong. I think I watched some of her earlier videos and found them lacking substance so wasn't expecting much, but this review was excellent.
Far better than what a lot of the seasoned boys put out. Great insight to how the car handles at speed, natural presenting, got (most of) her facts straight and the filmography was just right for a review-style video.
I still had to watch all the Evo / Autocar / Harris videos to really reach an informed decision, but nice to come across a YouTuber's review which was useful and not just a constant stream of superlatives!
Completely expecting to click 'next' after 30 seconds, I couldn't have been more wrong. I think I watched some of her earlier videos and found them lacking substance so wasn't expecting much, but this review was excellent.
Far better than what a lot of the seasoned boys put out. Great insight to how the car handles at speed, natural presenting, got (most of) her facts straight and the filmography was just right for a review-style video.
I still had to watch all the Evo / Autocar / Harris videos to really reach an informed decision, but nice to come across a YouTuber's review which was useful and not just a constant stream of superlatives!
joshcowin said:
TGETV said:
Crikey. Might put out a video saying I'm a retired astronaut and sold a large inflatable dartboard company in the 90's.
See who buys it.
Do you find it weird that people are so concerned with how you make money? I find it bizarre, who cares!! See who buys it.
Whilst intrigued by how youtube brings to its uploaders revenue, I am not fussed beyond that as to how their money is made.
I don't, however, enjoy being fed B/S.
TGE is up front with his sources of income and they are supported by his other business interests, which he rightly tries to cross-promote. As I say, with a large social media audience, who wouldn't?
It's more telling that some others with droves of adoring fans remain so clandestine about these jackanory business interests they purport to have and instead we get 10 minutes of boardroom bulls
t bingo explaining everything else from when they sold lemonade on street corners but nothing of substance on the subject. 
joshcowin said:
Do you find it weird that people are so concerned with how you make money? I find it bizarre, who cares!!
Put TGE to one side for a second and consider that video linked to above. Given that the the majority audience most likely can only dream of attaining the lifestyle poryrayed by certain YTers then surely it is not in the slightest surprising that they want to know. It's the link to this that annoys many people, me included, about the opacity behind the whole thing. I am no doubt old and grumpy but it winds me up to hear kids claiming "I want to be a you Tuber because they make massive amounts of money and drive supercars as a result" , I am paraphrasing but you hopefully get the point.
If people subject some of th claims to scrutiny then the YTers and their acolytes cry foul and claim "nobody's business" . It has happened on this very thread.
Most of those who do show scepticism have no interest in who actually paid for what. What grates is the continued subtle perpetuation of the "self made" as oppposed to "leveraged a great start". The problem of course is when your hook is almost entirely predicated upon aspiration and selling a dream then maybe that degree of truth doesn't sell.
Example - which plays best to such an audience ?
1 - I had a successful career on The City
2 - I worked for a few years in the back office of a pensions advisory business
Yipper said:
The old green-eyed monster detector is currently flashing red at a maximum 10 out of 10...
Do expand, perhaps with some examples.
Or failing that at least try and read some of the posts properly before jumping to conclusions.
Alternatively do your usual of spraying nonsense about the forum whilst talking about imaginary supercars, fictional investments, quoting Wikipedia and saying Golf R a lot.
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 2nd August 16:57
I have no issue with privilege. Some friends of mine have been born into wealth beyond imagination which is great. Just as of course I have no issue with those born into nothing, and those I grew up as a young scrote with were of the latter scenario. We are all the same bones and skin, its just temporary numbers on a screen. This isn't about who has money and how annoyed I may or may not be about it.
However, and I'm not actually saying any of the known Youtubers do this, I do take issue with those actively profiting by selling BS 'get rich quick/be like me and win more' schemes to the naive/young/stupid with slo-mo videos of a supercar paid for by their family pot, alongside perpetual holiday boasts and other such gaudy tripe. Instagram por ejemple is full of this.
Concerningly, if I wanted to, I could have broadcast to everyone I was a trader, set up a mailing list of 'trading tips' and would be able to get hundreds if not thousands of people signed up at £20 a month - using images of my cars and perceived wealth to lure them in. Would I sleep at night? No. Would I need a slap? Yes. Let alone luring people in with cash you hadn't even earned. Christ alive.
The fascination with earnings and source of wealth will always remain, and nobody owes anyone an explanation, but I would fairly expect attacks and questions if ones substantial level of privilege is abused to pry money from the naive/young/stupid on a public platform.
However, and I'm not actually saying any of the known Youtubers do this, I do take issue with those actively profiting by selling BS 'get rich quick/be like me and win more' schemes to the naive/young/stupid with slo-mo videos of a supercar paid for by their family pot, alongside perpetual holiday boasts and other such gaudy tripe. Instagram por ejemple is full of this.
Concerningly, if I wanted to, I could have broadcast to everyone I was a trader, set up a mailing list of 'trading tips' and would be able to get hundreds if not thousands of people signed up at £20 a month - using images of my cars and perceived wealth to lure them in. Would I sleep at night? No. Would I need a slap? Yes. Let alone luring people in with cash you hadn't even earned. Christ alive.
The fascination with earnings and source of wealth will always remain, and nobody owes anyone an explanation, but I would fairly expect attacks and questions if ones substantial level of privilege is abused to pry money from the naive/young/stupid on a public platform.
Edited by TGETV on Wednesday 2nd August 17:44
RobDown said:
Now that I've got that off my chest
I was a bit horrified (ok horrified probably too strong a work) watching Mr JWW's vlog yesterday on the 70th anniversary of Ferrari to see him wandering the dealership and not having a clue what the 'classic' was that was parked there (it was a Ferrari 250 GTE).
This is a guy who spends his life doing car Vlogs about cars (mainly Ferrari's it seems) - surely he should have some knowledge of their heritage and some of the major models? Or am I being unreasonable?
it got me to thinking how much the Vloggers actually know about the marques? Do they only know about models from the last 5-10 years? Would SoL recognise a Huracan but not a Miura? Would Tim being able to spot a Vantage but not a DB4? Maybe this is why classics so rarely feature in the Vlogs?
I must admit this is a personal bug bear with me too. The current generation of Youtubers have little if no knowledge of the history of cars. Their current knowledge is all based on the latest spec sheets trotted out by the manufactures.I was a bit horrified (ok horrified probably too strong a work) watching Mr JWW's vlog yesterday on the 70th anniversary of Ferrari to see him wandering the dealership and not having a clue what the 'classic' was that was parked there (it was a Ferrari 250 GTE).
This is a guy who spends his life doing car Vlogs about cars (mainly Ferrari's it seems) - surely he should have some knowledge of their heritage and some of the major models? Or am I being unreasonable?
it got me to thinking how much the Vloggers actually know about the marques? Do they only know about models from the last 5-10 years? Would SoL recognise a Huracan but not a Miura? Would Tim being able to spot a Vantage but not a DB4? Maybe this is why classics so rarely feature in the Vlogs?
I have lost count of the amount of times they have wandered past a significant classic only to totally ignore it or on the odd occasion admit they have no idea what it is, then immediately get over excited because they have seen just another 458. Knowing the history of a marque gives you real perspective and a proper appreciation how the cars have got to where they are today
dannyDC2 said:
Did anyone like my E36 vs DC2 track battle vid? There wasn't much 'vlogging' in it - but it seems to have gone down well. I hope people were as happy as me just to have the car back out on track!
Just finished my full Cadwell video now - been on it since I got home from work at 6ish. Late one!
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I really enjoyed it. You can definately drive and you weren't shy with that BMW. After seeing the camera set-up in it I think you should do the same, it made the track stuff more interesting, especially your fancy footwork. Just finished my full Cadwell video now - been on it since I got home from work at 6ish. Late one!
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