Discussion
nickfrog said:
Yes I remember when Nokian got done for supplying "special" tyres for testing. Very naughty but that doesn't mean they all do it. That doesn't even mean that Nokian still do it. A lot of testing is done on tyres bought randomly from the retail sector to eliminate that risk, particularly in France and Germany.
As for the real world difference, it varies indeed. But IME I would call it significant, although my significant can be another man's "who cares".
Some of the places they are tested, are designed by the tyre manufacturer. As for the real world difference, it varies indeed. But IME I would call it significant, although my significant can be another man's "who cares".
The Spruce Goose said:
Some of the places they are tested, are designed by the tyre manufacturer.
Yes sure but that doesn't necessarily favour the host manufacturer nor means that it is all a big cheat. I imagine that the testers wouldn't be able to afford a dedicated facility so piggy back on the manufacturers investment. Baldchap said:
This has been done to death.
The odd budget tyre performs adequately, the majority don't.
Testing has repeatedly demonstrated that premium tyres are typically significantly better in wet and cold environments.
I don't think that's the case at all. (well, I agree that it's been done to death, but i don't agree with your summary of the conclusion as I don't think a conclusion was reached) The odd budget tyre performs adequately, the majority don't.
Testing has repeatedly demonstrated that premium tyres are typically significantly better in wet and cold environments.
Last time this subject came up, and people making this type of statement posted links to test results, the tyres which performed significantly worse were the outliers, not the majority.
Edited by Mave on Thursday 24th June 10:57
Mave said:
Baldchap said:
This has been done to death.
The odd budget tyre performs adequately, the majority don't.
Testing has repeatedly demonstrated that premium tyres are typically significantly better in wet and cold environments.
I don't think that's the case at all. The odd budget tyre performs adequately, the majority don't.
Testing has repeatedly demonstrated that premium tyres are typically significantly better in wet and cold environments.
Last time this subject came up, and people making this type of statement posted links to test results, the tyres which performed significantly worse were the outliers, not the majority.
typically there's 20 brands with a couple of unknown brands which all perform s
te - particularly in the wet. then folk link or refer to the test as some sort of evidence that 'all cheap tyres are ste' (even though a particular cheaper brand may not even be in the 'test'! ) or say e.g. 'your tyres are your only contact with the road so don't risk it - buy the best' (=most expensive).without any personal experience of a particular tyre then referring to tyre reviews is simply assisting 'premium brands' with their marketing.
I'm happy with the Barums's, i'd sooner take the opinion of my trusted tyre fitter that fits 100's a wk and also has them on his own car. For reference he also keeps a lot of conti's in and does a budget. The car in question is only 105 hp and only gets driven at speed limits, i've had uniroyals before a think these feel better than them.
caterhamboy said:
I'm happy with the Barums's, i'd sooner take the opinion of my trusted tyre fitter that fits 100's a wk and also has them on his own car. For reference he also keeps a lot of conti's in and does a budget. The car in question is only 105 hp and only gets driven at speed limits, i've had uniroyals before a think these feel better than them.
My Alfa had Barums on the front when I bought it, ancient Goodyears on the rear. The Barum's were OK but wore quickly. The Goodyears still had plenty of tread but I replaced them due to their age and because the sidewalls were starting to crack.underwhelmist said:
caterhamboy said:
I'm happy with the Barums's, i'd sooner take the opinion of my trusted tyre fitter that fits 100's a wk and also has them on his own car. For reference he also keeps a lot of conti's in and does a budget. The car in question is only 105 hp and only gets driven at speed limits, i've had uniroyals before a think these feel better than them.
My Alfa had Barums on the front when I bought it, ancient Goodyears on the rear. The Barum's were OK but wore quickly. The Goodyears still had plenty of tread but I replaced them due to their age and because the sidewalls were starting to crack.Barum, Barum…….
caterhamboy said:
I'm happy with the Barums's, i'd sooner take the opinion of my trusted tyre fitter that fits 100's a wk and also has them on his own car. For reference he also keeps a lot of conti's in and does a budget. The car in question is only 105 hp and only gets driven at speed limits, i've had uniroyals before a think these feel better than them.
Yes, because tyre fitters are experts on car handling 
Tye Green said:
tyre reviews / tests are sponsored by those who wish to market their tyres - ignore them. if anyone disputes that then please explain who IS paying for these tyre tests?
typically there's 20 brands with a couple of unknown brands which all perform ste - particularly in the wet. then folk link or refer to the test as some sort of evidence that 'all cheap tyres are ste' (even though a particular cheaper brand may not even be in the 'test'! ) or say e.g. 'your tyres are your only contact with the road so don't risk it - buy the best' (=most expensive).
without any personal experience of a particular tyre then referring to tyre reviews is simply assisting 'premium brands' with their marketing.
Would you say it's all marketing and there is no correlation between price and R&D / quality control / longevity / grip ?typically there's 20 brands with a couple of unknown brands which all perform s
te - particularly in the wet. then folk link or refer to the test as some sort of evidence that 'all cheap tyres are ste' (even though a particular cheaper brand may not even be in the 'test'! ) or say e.g. 'your tyres are your only contact with the road so don't risk it - buy the best' (=most expensive).without any personal experience of a particular tyre then referring to tyre reviews is simply assisting 'premium brands' with their marketing.
SlimJim16v said:
caterhamboy said:
I'm happy with the Barums's, i'd sooner take the opinion of my trusted tyre fitter that fits 100's a wk and also has them on his own car. For reference he also keeps a lot of conti's in and does a budget. The car in question is only 105 hp and only gets driven at speed limits, i've had uniroyals before a think these feel better than them.
Yes, because tyre fitters are experts on car handling gazza285 said:
SlimJim16v said:
caterhamboy said:
I'm happy with the Barums's, i'd sooner take the opinion of my trusted tyre fitter that fits 100's a wk and also has them on his own car. For reference he also keeps a lot of conti's in and does a budget. The car in question is only 105 hp and only gets driven at speed limits, i've had uniroyals before a think these feel better than them.
Yes, because tyre fitters are experts on car handling My BIL used to work for a tyre wholesaler and he developed a fondness for Firestones rather than anything more premium.
The whole tyre debate carry on really winds me up. Pay the extra few quid a set to get something decent. I have a particular fondness for Dunlop, Goodyear and as a Mid-Range, I find Falken to be very competent.
My Swift came with 185/55 R16 Bridgestones from new, didn't have them on long as they were all slashed which was a blessing in a way as I HATED them - noisy, pushed the front end wide if you cornered a bit too hot - now replaced with a set of 195/55 R16 Dunlops as bumping up the width gave me more choice with cheaper costs. I cannot express how much they transformed the car, it's quieter with less road noise and can withstand being thrown at any corner at stupid speed without any issues.
The cheapo Yaris I'm also running has nearly new Blacklions on the front, they constantly run out of grip and squeal, but it's a cheap car and I couldn't give a flying wotsit about the thing.
My Swift came with 185/55 R16 Bridgestones from new, didn't have them on long as they were all slashed which was a blessing in a way as I HATED them - noisy, pushed the front end wide if you cornered a bit too hot - now replaced with a set of 195/55 R16 Dunlops as bumping up the width gave me more choice with cheaper costs. I cannot express how much they transformed the car, it's quieter with less road noise and can withstand being thrown at any corner at stupid speed without any issues.
The cheapo Yaris I'm also running has nearly new Blacklions on the front, they constantly run out of grip and squeal, but it's a cheap car and I couldn't give a flying wotsit about the thing.
CoolHands said:
^ is that a joke? You literally contradicted yourself.
The point I'm making is the Yaris is literally disposable, it came with those tyres fitted, I'm hardly going to put a spanking set of Dunlops on a car that costs less than a set for another few months of use, am I? Moron. R50 BPS said:
The point I'm making is the Yaris is literally disposable, it came with those tyres fitted, I'm hardly going to put a spanking set of Dunlops on a car that costs less than a set for another few months of use, am I? Moron.
So the crappy Jap hatchback is disposable, but the other crappy Jap hatchback is kept for best?My MIL had a set of them on her 2007 1.4 Corsa.
She’s in her 60s and famous in the family for being a slow driver.
After 12k they were garbage tyres.
It would wander over the road, it could wheel spin into 2nd easily.
Braking was skittish in the wet and generally they were a st excuse for a tyre.
I used the car for a few months, and after 2 months use I took the car to have them removed and a set of Goodyear Vector 4 seasons fitted.
Night and day transformation.
Even the MIL comments on how nicer the car drives.
So from first hand personal use of them.
ste. Avoid and fit something else.
She’s in her 60s and famous in the family for being a slow driver.
After 12k they were garbage tyres.
It would wander over the road, it could wheel spin into 2nd easily.
Braking was skittish in the wet and generally they were a s
t excuse for a tyre.I used the car for a few months, and after 2 months use I took the car to have them removed and a set of Goodyear Vector 4 seasons fitted.
Night and day transformation.
Even the MIL comments on how nicer the car drives.
So from first hand personal use of them.
s
te. Avoid and fit something else.R50 BPS said:
CoolHands said:
^ is that a joke? You literally contradicted yourself.
The point I'm making is the Yaris is literally disposable, it came with those tyres fitted, I'm hardly going to put a spanking set of Dunlops on a car that costs less than a set for another few months of use, am I? Moron. Ignoring your contradictions, if the Yaris is disposable, what are your views on the driver?
gazza285 said:
R50 BPS said:
The point I'm making is the Yaris is literally disposable, it came with those tyres fitted, I'm hardly going to put a spanking set of Dunlops on a car that costs less than a set for another few months of use, am I? Moron.
So the crappy Jap hatchback is disposable, but the other crappy Jap hatchback is kept for best?can't remember said:
R50 BPS said:
CoolHands said:
^ is that a joke? You literally contradicted yourself.
The point I'm making is the Yaris is literally disposable, it came with those tyres fitted, I'm hardly going to put a spanking set of Dunlops on a car that costs less than a set for another few months of use, am I? Moron. Ignoring your contradictions, if the Yaris is disposable, what are your views on the driver?
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