RE: Jaguar F-Pace: Driven

[Burwood]

HJMS123 said:

Burwood said:

Macan S 340hp, much faster and 5K cheaper. I realise Porsche will make you pay for any extras but the Jag will be as expensive as the Porsche. For 55k it's slow at 6.5s.

I didn't realise people who can afford/buy these crossover SUVs care about this sort of performance difference.

It's about as useful as comparing the stats between an aygo and a VW UP!

They do and your analogy is complete pish

[XFDreamer]

It's great to see Jaguar now have a full range of cars to compete with, and beat the Germans.

I'm sure our American friends will love the F Pace and it'll sell like hotcakes over there.

There's something about a Jag that the opposition just can't put on their options list. (Don't ask me what it is though.)

[Pothole]

Burwood said:

HJMS123 said:

Burwood said:

Macan S 340hp, much faster and 5K cheaper. I realise Porsche will make you pay for any extras but the Jag will be as expensive as the Porsche. For 55k it's slow at 6.5s.

I didn't realise people who can afford/buy these crossover SUVs care about this sort of performance difference.

It's about as useful as comparing the stats between an aygo and a VW UP!

They do and your analogy is complete pish

I suspect they carE about what's on paper

Edited by Pothole on Thursday 28th January 16:38

[405dogvan]

Burwood said:

It looks like a nice car but imho too expensive by £5k. I'm sure that won't stop it selling.

The list purchase price of a car is THE most irrelevant thing - it's not even remotely representative of the likely cost of owning one - it's just a number.

[Jam12321]

Jag FPace 3.0 V6 Diesel
6.2 to 60
47mpg
159g/km
300BHP @ 4000RPM
516lb/ft @ 2000RPM
150MPH top speed
1884KG

Porsche Macan 3.0 V6 Diesel S
6.3 to 60
46.3MPG
159G/KM
258BHP @ 4000RPM
427lb/ft @1750RPM
142 MPH top Speed
1880KG
Looks pretty bloody comparable to me, personally think the jag is a lot prettier than the Macan.

Edited by Jam12321 on Thursday 28th January 15:52

Edited by Jam12321 on Thursday 28th January 16:15

[scenario8]

Jam12321 said:

Jag FPace 3.0 V6 Diesel
6.2 to 60
47mpg
159g/km
300BHP @ 4000RPM
526lb/ft @ 2000RPM
150MPH top speed
1884KG

Porsche Macan 3.0 V6 Diesel S
6.3 to 60
46.3MPG
159G/KM
258BHP @ 4000RPM
427lb/ft @1750RPM
142 MPH top Speed
1880KG
Looks pretty bloody comparable to me, personally think the jag is a lot prettier than the Macan.

Edited by Jam12321 on Thursday 28th January 15:52

That's a lot of ft lbs.

[unsprung]

XFDreamer said:

I'm sure our American friends will love the F Pace and it'll sell like hotcakes over there.

There's something about a Jag that the opposition just can't put on their options list. (Don't ask me what it is though.)

Spot on. The US market will adore this car. Especially in the New England states, where heavy snows are commonplace. The smartly-equipped 4WD Volvo estates are popular there; the F-Pace now offers some competition just a bit further upmarket. Same goes for the Pacific Northwest (Seattle and Portland), albeit with more rain than snow.

Other key markets are likely to be the so-called "sun belt cities" of the Southeast and Southwest: say Atlanta, Houston, Dallas, Miami, Phoenix, Las Vegas and so forth. These are low density cities with extensive motorways. They are affordable places to live and they attract busy families and ambitious young couples who are keen to reflect their lifestyles, in part, in their choice of car.

I second your observation about the intangible Jag character. It would be too easy (and inaccurate) simply to say that it's about social class. There is a sense of effortless style, erudition and bonhomie which comes along with the best of English. I reckon many Americans sense this in the Jag persona.

I will only add that quality and reliability must be up to the task. The Yank consumer can be a vocal whinger. If there's a rising swell of problems with quality control or the dealership experience, F-Pace sales will suffer.

unpc said:

I had a hand in this so it's good to see some positive reviews. Must be the first review of a non German car that didn't bh about soft feel plastics

Congratulations. What an extraordinary effort to integrate countless decisions and individual contributions. Must be rather satisfying to see the public using and enjoying the fruit of your labour.

[firebird350]

God, yet another of these 4WD SUV things! Is there any manufacturer out there now who doesn't produce one?

Guess we just need to await offerings from Rolls-Royce and whoever makes that G-Wiz thingy - surely there must be a market for a 4WD all-electric SUV? Can't let that box go unticked!

[scenario8]

firebird350 said:

God, yet another of these 4WD SUV things! Is there any manufacturer out there now who doesn't produce one?

Guess we just need to await offerings from Rolls-Royce and whoever makes that G-Wiz thingy - surely there must be a market for a 4WD all-electric SUV? Can't let that box go unticked!

Tesla Model X, no?

[unpc]

unsprung said:

Congratulations. What an extraordinary effort to integrate countless decisions and individual contributions. Must be rather satisfying to see the public using and enjoying the fruit of your labour.

Thanks but only a relatively small hand. First time I saw this in the err clay was a little over couple of years ago and it had winner written all over it. As mentioned, the US is going to lap this up.

[rtz62]

IV been playing round on the Jagur configurator for a while.
A 3.0 S diesel, in grey with 20" wheels, mid- range stereo/nav system, no panoramic roof, but climate pack, advanced parking assistance pack, rear seat comfort pack, adaptive cruise control, privacy glass, full LED headlights, and memory sports seats came to £60,240.
A lot of money I'll grant you, and other than having Adaptive Surgace Response at £150, this would be my ideal build; iirc moving down to the 2.0 turbo diesel removes some of the equipment of the 3.0, but would probably come in a fair bit cheaper £40-42k starting price instead of £51k.
Personally I think it makes a refreshing change to the German Über barges, and I too am not sure that a few tents of a second or so makes much difference as someone who wants the Jag may in all probability want the Jag, although of course some will try the Q5/Macan as well.
I'm glad to see Jaguar responding to the market, a pity in some ways it's taken so long to get their foot in the door, but it certainly sounds as though quality, and product are as good as, if not better than the opposition.
Having read several road tests in this months monthly magazines, the future for the F-Pace looks very good indeed......

[Cotic]

This is definitely on my list. I had a look inside a Macan recently, and although I'm sure it'll drive fine, I just cant get on with that button-fest of a centre console.

[Burwood]

serious question, with all that power and torque, why is it so slow?

[hornetrider]

Burwood said:

The S diesel Macan is 45K too. Do you really think Jags petrol equivalent will be less money? It will be more money again because it has 370hp cf the Macans 340.

Revisiting this post.

Cheapest nearly new Macan S on AT is 54k. Not new, nearly new. There's another one nearly new at 59k and the ad states 9.5k off the options.

So I think it's a bit disingenuous to say a Macan is 45k.

[firebird350]

scenario8 said:

firebird350 said:

God, yet another of these 4WD SUV things! Is there any manufacturer out there now who doesn't produce one?

Guess we just need to await offerings from Rolls-Royce and whoever makes that G-Wiz thingy - surely there must be a market for a 4WD all-electric SUV? Can't let that box go unticked!

Tesla Model X, no?

Yes, well done You! I should have known there's no such thing as an unticked box in today's consumer-driven world...

[Pothole]

Burwood said:

serious question, with all that power and torque, why is it so slow?

Tuned for midrange.

[seefarr]

You will never see another one of these either off-road or on anything other than 22inch rims. Seems a shame they go to all the trouble of designing the tricky electronics and 4x4 systems when they'll never be used.

[unpc]

Cotic said:

This is definitely on my list. I had a look inside a Macan recently, and although I'm sure it'll drive fine, I just cant get on with that button-fest of a centre console.

Agreed. I really rather detest the centre console in modern Porsches.

[Triple7]

I like this car, looking forward to seeing it next month, looking forward to driving one even more. It is expensive, I'd be worried about residuals versus the Macan. Porsche are going to up the numbers into the UK from c.1500 units a year, especially diesels. How many are Jag going to produce for the UK? Residuals on the Jag configurator were around 40% after 3 years, compared to +50% for the Macan/DiscoSport/RangieSport....that's talking about the 3.0D. Not sure why you would buy one with a 2.0D, would the LR DiscoSport be a better bet?

Anyway, like has been said, I hope it has a luxury, not premium interior and the build quality is the best there is....good luck Jag!

[TooMany2cvs]

seefarr said:

Seems a shame they go to all the trouble of designing the tricky electronics and 4x4 systems when they'll never be used.

You do know who the other brand of JLR is, right?

Given that the F-pace and the XE use the modular platform that's going to be across LR's range soon enough ("Evoque+" next year going to be the first), and that there'll be AWD versions of the XE (as there are XF and XJ) in umpteen key countries if not the UK, then by the time the paws are out of the parts bin, you're just looking at some mild settings-tweakery.

And that'll be done at the same time as they're sorting all the rest of the electronic setting-tweakery.