Stupid things non petrolheads say... Vol 2
Discussion
Baldchap said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
the old diesel versus petrol argument is a red herring, usually only indulged in by those who for a variety of reasons only have one car.
It is a matter of using the type of car best suited to the needs of the driver, and in some cases that means using a diesel, and in others a petrol car.
My van is diesel. It's quite rubbish to drive. It is a matter of using the type of car best suited to the needs of the driver, and in some cases that means using a diesel, and in others a petrol car.
Petrol all the way with cars.
For a car that has to have good passenger (and their luggage) carrying capacity, is economical to run, and has very long range, it is diesel all the way.
georgeyboy12345 said:
biggbn said:
georgeyboy12345 said:
Some butthurt diesel owners in this thread
What a strange comment? I don't own a TT, petrol or diesel but have owned a load of cars, some quite sporty. Are you American? Fermit said:
This thread popped in to my head yesterday. Chatting cars with a young labourer working on the building site next door. 'My missus tells me I can't have a BMW, they're Gas Guzzlers'
Jesus wept
Well, he might have a point Jesus wept
The 4 banger petrols can only barely crack 30mpg most of the time
Although I’m not sure they knew that !
Pan Pan Pan said:
Baldchap said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
the old diesel versus petrol argument is a red herring, usually only indulged in by those who for a variety of reasons only have one car.
It is a matter of using the type of car best suited to the needs of the driver, and in some cases that means using a diesel, and in others a petrol car.
My van is diesel. It's quite rubbish to drive. It is a matter of using the type of car best suited to the needs of the driver, and in some cases that means using a diesel, and in others a petrol car.
Petrol all the way with cars.
For a car that has to have good passenger (and their luggage) carrying capacity, is economical to run, and has very long range, it is diesel all the way.
urquattroGus said:
Disagree with that to be honest, all of the current Ford Transit or Courier range are great to drive, and super comfortable too.
I’m not sure about super comfortable with it’s industrial rear axle and suspension 
But good to drive I will agree, especially in RWD formIf anyone has a Sprinter with air suspension and hydraulic, electric seats with lumbar then they must be a lucky driver
Just sounds so comfortable
V 02 said:
I’m not sure about super comfortable with it’s industrial rear axle and suspension But good to drive I will agree, especially in RWD form
If anyone has a Sprinter with air suspension and hydraulic, electric seats with lumbar then they must be a lucky driver
Just sounds so comfortable
I had a summer job between university years - for an agricultural services/contracting company and the job mostly involved driving vans around the country. The firm had a small in-house fleet and for the summer season hired in more. When I started I was given the standard-issue LWB Transit, but after three weeks that had to go back to the hiring firm due to an engine management issue. The replacement was a brand new Vauxhall Movano with a lorry-style sprung seat and 'orthopaedic' adjustment/lumbar. It was blissfully comfortable, especially when laden. Unfortunately it drove like it still had the chassis of a Bedford CF. The long-term replacement was a Sprinter with a low-spec 2.1-litre diesel. It had cruise control, which was nice, but it was desperately slow. It did seem to have a completely flat torque curve, almost like it was steam powered - it didn't seem to matter was revs you had or what gear it was in, it had identical acceleration/performance. But good to drive I will agree, especially in RWD formIf anyone has a Sprinter with air suspension and hydraulic, electric seats with lumbar then they must be a lucky driver
Just sounds so comfortable
One of the in-house vans, which they used for delivering drums of seed treatment chemicals, was a SWB Sprinter with a twin-turbo V6 diesel. I was never allowed to drive it, but I did passenger in it a couple of times and that thing was seriously rapid!
Fermit said:
This thread popped in to my head yesterday. Chatting cars with a young labourer working on the building site next door. 'My missus tells me I can't have a BMW, they're Gas Guzzlers'
Jesus wept
Mines the opposite. “You aren’t going for the 2litre -are you? much prefer the 3litre. Or do they still have the 5litre petrol?”Jesus wept
Some gems from recent family visits
When complaining the GM 5L40 box in my old 530d is dumb, slow, slushy and ruins a great engine
"Your clutch will be worn out."
"It doesn't have that kind of clutch, it uses a torque converter"
"it still has a clutch, just because there's no pedal doesn't mean there's no clutch. It is just computer controlled"
"Not on old slushboxes like this one. There is no mechanical connection between engine and gearbox unless it's locked out above 55mph, by a small clutch unused in any gear below fourth"
"Son I've been working on my cars since before you were born. It has a clutch. The slushy feeling is the clutch slipping. I've replaced loads of them"
In fairness he had attempted to fix the mechatronic thing in a friend's Fortwo in years gone by
Same fella, in response to someone enquiring why their car no longer has a choke (Touareg 2.5 diesel):
"Modern carburettors have automatic chokes, so it does it by itself"
When complaining the GM 5L40 box in my old 530d is dumb, slow, slushy and ruins a great engine
"Your clutch will be worn out."
"It doesn't have that kind of clutch, it uses a torque converter"
"it still has a clutch, just because there's no pedal doesn't mean there's no clutch. It is just computer controlled"
"Not on old slushboxes like this one. There is no mechanical connection between engine and gearbox unless it's locked out above 55mph, by a small clutch unused in any gear below fourth"
"Son I've been working on my cars since before you were born. It has a clutch. The slushy feeling is the clutch slipping. I've replaced loads of them"
In fairness he had attempted to fix the mechatronic thing in a friend's Fortwo in years gone by
Same fella, in response to someone enquiring why their car no longer has a choke (Touareg 2.5 diesel):
"Modern carburettors have automatic chokes, so it does it by itself"
urquattroGus said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Baldchap said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
the old diesel versus petrol argument is a red herring, usually only indulged in by those who for a variety of reasons only have one car.
It is a matter of using the type of car best suited to the needs of the driver, and in some cases that means using a diesel, and in others a petrol car.
My van is diesel. It's quite rubbish to drive. It is a matter of using the type of car best suited to the needs of the driver, and in some cases that means using a diesel, and in others a petrol car.
Petrol all the way with cars.
For a car that has to have good passenger (and their luggage) carrying capacity, is economical to run, and has very long range, it is diesel all the way.
Who buys a van for its handing, over its load carrying ability?
Some comments I get regularly in work are "I didn't know there was anything wrong with the car!". Then why did you call for breakdown assistance and attempt to claim on a warranty? Clearly you knew something was wrong with the vehicle.
"I'm not a mechanic" has 2 responses. 1: Then why are you arguing with the mechanic that came to look at your vehicle and the one who has it up on a ramp and is physically looking at the broken parts? And 2: You don't have to be a mechanic. You tell your breakdown company what's you're experiencing, they'll come and have a look, then help you get to a garage who will know what's going on. I know you're out of your depth but chill out. Dismissing the advice you're given won't get you anywhere.
When they've experienced a colossal failure: "I just get in and drive it". Well yes, as does everyone. However, if you engage your brain for just a moment, you'll notice the array of lights, beeps and warning messages on your vehicle that's advising you to stop driving it. Had you done so, you wouldn't be staring at the thick end of a £4,000 bill. This often ties in with "my car has been super reliable!". Probably because you've ignored the lights, clunks and rattles for so long, it's now not worth repairing.
I've even had people tell me they're going on Twitter (or whatever social media platform their favourite morons use) and slag their warranty company off when it has paid for everything it set out to but because they didn't read what it does or doesn't cover, the warranty company is still in the wrong. They've agreed £12,000 in repairs for a new engine and gearbox but they won't pick up £80 for a worn out ditch finder on the rear passenger side. What a bunch of shysters they are.
"I'm not a mechanic" has 2 responses. 1: Then why are you arguing with the mechanic that came to look at your vehicle and the one who has it up on a ramp and is physically looking at the broken parts? And 2: You don't have to be a mechanic. You tell your breakdown company what's you're experiencing, they'll come and have a look, then help you get to a garage who will know what's going on. I know you're out of your depth but chill out. Dismissing the advice you're given won't get you anywhere.
When they've experienced a colossal failure: "I just get in and drive it". Well yes, as does everyone. However, if you engage your brain for just a moment, you'll notice the array of lights, beeps and warning messages on your vehicle that's advising you to stop driving it. Had you done so, you wouldn't be staring at the thick end of a £4,000 bill. This often ties in with "my car has been super reliable!". Probably because you've ignored the lights, clunks and rattles for so long, it's now not worth repairing.
I've even had people tell me they're going on Twitter (or whatever social media platform their favourite morons use) and slag their warranty company off when it has paid for everything it set out to but because they didn't read what it does or doesn't cover, the warranty company is still in the wrong. They've agreed £12,000 in repairs for a new engine and gearbox but they won't pick up £80 for a worn out ditch finder on the rear passenger side. What a bunch of shysters they are.
smurf_eunos said:
Some gems from recent family visits
When complaining the GM 5L40 box in my old 530d is dumb, slow, slushy and ruins a great engine
"Your clutch will be worn out."
"It doesn't have that kind of clutch, it uses a torque converter"
"it still has a clutch, just because there's no pedal doesn't mean there's no clutch. It is just computer controlled"
"Not on old slushboxes like this one. There is no mechanical connection between engine and gearbox unless it's locked out above 55mph, by a small clutch unused in any gear below fourth"
"Son I've been working on my cars since before you were born. It has a clutch. The slushy feeling is the clutch slipping. I've replaced loads of them.
Sorry to have to break it to you but.......When complaining the GM 5L40 box in my old 530d is dumb, slow, slushy and ruins a great engine
"Your clutch will be worn out."
"It doesn't have that kind of clutch, it uses a torque converter"
"it still has a clutch, just because there's no pedal doesn't mean there's no clutch. It is just computer controlled"
"Not on old slushboxes like this one. There is no mechanical connection between engine and gearbox unless it's locked out above 55mph, by a small clutch unused in any gear below fourth"
"Son I've been working on my cars since before you were born. It has a clutch. The slushy feeling is the clutch slipping. I've replaced loads of them.
He may be wrong about a great deal many things but I am afraid he is correct about conventional planetary gear autoboxes. They do have clutches in them which lock and unlock the different elements........and they do wear out. This often manifests itself as a long drawn out gearchange, sometimes ending in a bump. However, you are correct in saying the slushy response to the accelerator is usually attributed to an "open" converter.
Edited by evil.edna on Friday 10th February 15:36
evil.edna said:
Sorry to have to break it to you but.......
He may be wrong about a great deal many things but I am afraid he is correct about conventional planetary gear autoboxes. They do have clutches in them which lock and unlock the different elements........and they do wear out. This often manifests itself as a long drawn out gearchange, sometimes ending in a bump. However, you are correct in saying the slushy response to the accelerator is usually attributed to an "open" converter.
One of those 'you had to be there' things, I suppose. He was not referring to brake bands - rather he thought all autos worked the same way as automated manuals with a robot actuating a conventional clutch. Probably made myself look more of a saddo than the person made themselves look misinformed tbh He may be wrong about a great deal many things but I am afraid he is correct about conventional planetary gear autoboxes. They do have clutches in them which lock and unlock the different elements........and they do wear out. This often manifests itself as a long drawn out gearchange, sometimes ending in a bump. However, you are correct in saying the slushy response to the accelerator is usually attributed to an "open" converter.
Edited by evil.edna on Friday 10th February 15:36
Someone I've known for a few years. Not a petrolhead, not exactly a friend, but we get along in small doses.
Not friend (NF): "You've got one of those, right?"
SB: "I just got here, what are you talking about?"
NF: "Your car. The SRW."
SB: "I've never had one of those."
NF: "Yes, you have one. I saw it when you visited your parents the other week."
SB: "Uhhhh.... [click] oh, my Impreza?"
NF: "Whatever. Your SRW. You know what I meant."
SB: "Where's this going?"
NF: "My mate has a similar car [note: it's a Subaru Legacy]. He loves it."
SB: "Sure. My SRW. Tell your mate you love my Impreza SRW".
NF: "Finally. Will do."
I don't know his mate but I expect an "Impreza SRW" might be met with confusion. He can deal with that himself.
Not friend (NF): "You've got one of those, right?"
SB: "I just got here, what are you talking about?"
NF: "Your car. The SRW."
SB: "I've never had one of those."
NF: "Yes, you have one. I saw it when you visited your parents the other week."
SB: "Uhhhh.... [click] oh, my Impreza?"
NF: "Whatever. Your SRW. You know what I meant."
SB: "Where's this going?"
NF: "My mate has a similar car [note: it's a Subaru Legacy]. He loves it."
SB: "Sure. My SRW. Tell your mate you love my Impreza SRW".
NF: "Finally. Will do."
I don't know his mate but I expect an "Impreza SRW" might be met with confusion. He can deal with that himself.
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