RE: Lagonda Taraf: Review
Discussion
RichB said:
agonda looks imperious in that picture certainly better than the Toyota below...
Actually, to me Aston on that picture looks like it has no presence at all. It looks like a boat - it's not bodywork its a hull.Lights and bumpers are a total mess, front grille looks like it came from a Mondeo, the rear looks like the designer couldn't make up him mind if he wanted a saloon, liftback or estate so went for some horrible solution in between.
RoverP6B said:
It is not intended to cosset and while away the miles in hushed calm. It's Aston Martin's answer to the Ferrari FF - only rarer and more exclusive.
I think you'll find it is.The Rapide is Aston's answer to the FF, of course there can be more than one answer...but the Tarafg is by no means a raw, sporting driver's car, it leans far more to the luxurious wafter I'm afraid
stephen300o said:
Why reference the ugliest car they ever made. At least it keeps tradition...
Of course the name Lagonda goes back further than Aston Martin and there's not been a car called a Taraf before so I don't quite get your point. Anyway, just for those younger people browsing this thread thinking that Lagonda is simply a name that refers to the William Towns car of the '70s (not you Stephen) it is actually a manufacturer founded in 19thC, that built some excellent cars, on a par with Bentley, Alvis and Invicta and also won Le Mans outright. 
Admittedly the Towns car was not a high point. 
Edited by RichB on Monday 15th February 09:41
I guess it would dock alongside those Rolls Royce battle ships! RoverP6B said:
Wait a minute. AM, on a very limited budget, have come up with a stunning-looking 4-seater saloon with a thumping great naturally-aspirated V12, and all you lot can focus on is that the dash is similar to that of a decade-old DB9?
This got a bit longer than I expected, so lets do an abstract: The problem is that the car, if you like it or not is up to you, does not feeling like a 700k car, more like 200k. So what people get for the extra 500k is a fancy Badge and some marketing. And now in long:
That is because when the DB9 came out, it already looked a bit dated. And while the interior looked okay on pictures, it never really worked as a place to be in.
But that was okay, people knew AM was operating with some budget constraints and while not being ergonomically perfect, it wasn't too bad either. And lets face it, revving that engine never gets old.
However, now, for the first time ever, they are making profit. They should have some spare to fix some sins of the past, and with more cheap off the shelve solutions available, one would hope they could address at least some of the dated details.
What they now shows is an all new car retailed for 5 times the price tag as the DB9. And at this point we can no longer ignore the budget. At this point, every single one of them must be as good as the owner wants it to be, and finished perfectly.
I personally like the exterior design, it is daring and I can see a lot of people will hate it for it, but that kind of comes with the Lagonda name. I am sure the V12 engine will be amazing, just like in the DB9.
At the end of the day, this car will sell. But only because there are enough rich people who want to buy the badge.
And that is a wasted opportunity. Look at the interior of a Pagani, Spyker, etc. What Aston Martin did on the rest of the car, they fell short on the interior. And for once, they don't have budget constraints to blame.
I know that I am hypocritical here, as I am not in the market to buy a 700k car. I look at cars for one tenth of the price right now. But if I would be looking at spending the price of a (nice) house on a car, I know I would have higher demands.
You mentioned the Rolls and Bentley here. Neither of them are to my liking, I think they are both ostentatious and vulgar. But if you have ever sat in one, they do feel expensive. Even if you climb out of something like a Jaguar or Maserati, there is no doubt that you went up a level without even starting anything up. A DB9 is not - when my girl friend got out of driving one, her first words were actually that the Jag has a nicer interior (which is subjective, but makes a point).
Newro said:
This got a bit longer than I expected, so lets do an abstract: The problem is that the car, if you like it or not is up to you, does not feeling like a 700k car, more like 200k. So what people get for the extra 500k is a fancy Badge and some marketing.
And now in long:
That is because when the DB9 came out, it already looked a bit dated. And while the interior looked okay on pictures, it never really worked as a place to be in.
But that was okay, people knew AM was operating with some budget constraints and while not being ergonomically perfect, it wasn't too bad either. And lets face it, revving that engine never gets old.
However, now, for the first time ever, they are making profit. They should have some spare to fix some sins of the past, and with more cheap off the shelve solutions available, one would hope they could address at least some of the dated details.
What they now shows is an all new car retailed for 5 times the price tag as the DB9. And at this point we can no longer ignore the budget. At this point, every single one of them must be as good as the owner wants it to be, and finished perfectly.
I personally like the exterior design, it is daring and I can see a lot of people will hate it for it, but that kind of comes with the Lagonda name. I am sure the V12 engine will be amazing, just like in the DB9.
At the end of the day, this car will sell. But only because there are enough rich people who want to buy the badge.
And that is a wasted opportunity. Look at the interior of a Pagani, Spyker, etc. What Aston Martin did on the rest of the car, they fell short on the interior. And for once, they don't have budget constraints to blame.
I know that I am hypocritical here, as I am not in the market to buy a 700k car. I look at cars for one tenth of the price right now. But if I would be looking at spending the price of a (nice) house on a car, I know I would have higher demands.
You mentioned the Rolls and Bentley here. Neither of them are to my liking, I think they are both ostentatious and vulgar. But if you have ever sat in one, they do feel expensive. Even if you climb out of something like a Jaguar or Maserati, there is no doubt that you went up a level without even starting anything up. A DB9 is not - when my girl friend got out of driving one, her first words were actually that the Jag has a nicer interior (which is subjective, but makes a point).
They are still loss making and are skint having been essentially asset and cash stripped by the people who took it of Ford. And now in long:
That is because when the DB9 came out, it already looked a bit dated. And while the interior looked okay on pictures, it never really worked as a place to be in.
But that was okay, people knew AM was operating with some budget constraints and while not being ergonomically perfect, it wasn't too bad either. And lets face it, revving that engine never gets old.
However, now, for the first time ever, they are making profit. They should have some spare to fix some sins of the past, and with more cheap off the shelve solutions available, one would hope they could address at least some of the dated details.
What they now shows is an all new car retailed for 5 times the price tag as the DB9. And at this point we can no longer ignore the budget. At this point, every single one of them must be as good as the owner wants it to be, and finished perfectly.
I personally like the exterior design, it is daring and I can see a lot of people will hate it for it, but that kind of comes with the Lagonda name. I am sure the V12 engine will be amazing, just like in the DB9.
At the end of the day, this car will sell. But only because there are enough rich people who want to buy the badge.
And that is a wasted opportunity. Look at the interior of a Pagani, Spyker, etc. What Aston Martin did on the rest of the car, they fell short on the interior. And for once, they don't have budget constraints to blame.
I know that I am hypocritical here, as I am not in the market to buy a 700k car. I look at cars for one tenth of the price right now. But if I would be looking at spending the price of a (nice) house on a car, I know I would have higher demands.
You mentioned the Rolls and Bentley here. Neither of them are to my liking, I think they are both ostentatious and vulgar. But if you have ever sat in one, they do feel expensive. Even if you climb out of something like a Jaguar or Maserati, there is no doubt that you went up a level without even starting anything up. A DB9 is not - when my girl friend got out of driving one, her first words were actually that the Jag has a nicer interior (which is subjective, but makes a point).
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/in...
An amazing company, brand and product run by absolute greedy
s. DonkeyApple said:
They are still loss making and are skint having been essentially asset and cash stripped by the people who took it of Ford.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/in...
An amazing company, brand and product run by absolute greedys.
Interesting. They reported a pre tax profit of £84.8m in 2013. Not long lasting as it seems http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/6402a54a-73f9-11e5-a129-... barley breaking even in 2014 and back to loss in 2015 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/in...
An amazing company, brand and product run by absolute greedy
s. 
Should've charged £250k and sold them to anyone that wanted one. Space alongside the Rapide in the line up at that price.
I'm not following with the pricing - 700k is ridiculous, maybe more justified if it had a different engine (One-77 derived 7 litre?), but it doesn't. Non-reclining rear seats? For that much money I want servants stowed in a box behind the rear seats, who pop out and give me a foot massage when I press a button.
I'm not following with the pricing - 700k is ridiculous, maybe more justified if it had a different engine (One-77 derived 7 litre?), but it doesn't. Non-reclining rear seats? For that much money I want servants stowed in a box behind the rear seats, who pop out and give me a foot massage when I press a button.
RichB said:
Bladedancer said:
... front grille looks like it came from a Mondeo...
Being a car website I assume you do know that Ford appropriated Aston's grill style a couple of years ago. 
Bladedancer said:
RichB said:
Bladedancer said:
... front grille looks like it came from a Mondeo...
Being a car website I assume you do know that Ford appropriated Aston's grill style a couple of years ago. RichB said:
Bladedancer said:
RichB said:
Bladedancer said:
... front grille looks like it came from a Mondeo...
Being a car website I assume you do know that Ford appropriated Aston's grill style a couple of years ago. I saw the gold one from pictures in the article today in London and it's absolutely, incredibly, brilliantly amazing. I got used to and I guess immune to exotics and nothing excites me anymore. Except this thing. It is like nothing else. It really got my juices flowing and reminded me of the first time I saw Citroen XM on a road in 1989, it was like experiencing a close encounter of the third kind. And this was the same. It's exquisite. It's perfect. I wish I had pockets full of money as I'd get two, one for driving the other for looking at as it'd be living in my living room.
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