RE: Jaguar XE V6 S: UK Review
Discussion
edward1 said:
I find it surprising that when talking about a quick v6 petrol people seem so bothered about a few grams of CO2. Surely if people are that concerned they would be looking at the tractor power alternative. If you are in the market for a new car in this price bracket with this level of performance and focus on the co2 emissions above the driving experience and overall package then you either can't really afford to run it, or aren't really interested in the performance just bragging down the pub (or coffee bar these days)
I think it is great that there is a real alternative to the default German choices. The real world fuel consumption will never be close to the published figures anyway so why care.
I couldn't agree more I think it is great that there is a real alternative to the default German choices. The real world fuel consumption will never be close to the published figures anyway so why care.
Just saw one of these on the road today for the first time. Looked pretty good to me albeit a fairly high spec. model...
Poverty spec starts at c. £23k equivalent over here.
http://www.autoscout24.ch/fr/d/jaguar-xe-limousine...
Poverty spec starts at c. £23k equivalent over here.
http://www.autoscout24.ch/fr/d/jaguar-xe-limousine...
Edited by Mogul on Tuesday 22 March 17:24
I've just given one back after having it since friday (4 days), JLR lent me it due to a delay with my new XF.
I have to say that i was very impressed, granted it was the 180hp oil burner but the chassis and set-up is spot on. Being so planted it takes B roads like a toy train set on steroids. It makes the car feel a lot quicker than what it probably is, cornering in this thing was a dream.
I admit the styling isnt perfect but its so much better in the flesh, the roof line is couple-esk. I liked it and i think jag have done well with it
I have to say that i was very impressed, granted it was the 180hp oil burner but the chassis and set-up is spot on. Being so planted it takes B roads like a toy train set on steroids. It makes the car feel a lot quicker than what it probably is, cornering in this thing was a dream.
I admit the styling isnt perfect but its so much better in the flesh, the roof line is couple-esk. I liked it and i think jag have done well with it
The XE S actually starts at £46k.
I looked seriously at buying one last year and had a decent test drive in one.
To drive, the S version is excellent. The ride is fantastic for a car that handles so well. The steering is also very smooth and suits the car perfectly. The engine is great - full of character, plenty of power and makes a similar, if quieter, noise to a V6 f-type.
The Interior architecture is much better in the 'metal' than it is in the pictures and the car also looked great sat on the optional 20 inch wheels.
However, there were some things that stopped me ordering the car:
1) The price with the options I wanted was close to £49k - that is an awful lot of money in my book. TBH I would rather Jaguar offered the same engine with a lower specification and at a cheaper price where you could then choose what you wanted to add to it. All I really want is a great driving (and sounding) car that has A/C, cruise, power-folding mirrors and a decent sound system.
2) though since remedied, you could not have a CD player at launch - it is now a £600 option with some uprated touch screen malarkey.
3) the interior colour options - to put it simply, why Jagaur decided not to offer more tasteful trim options on the S (XE or XF) is beyond me. I don't like black interiors and the current two tone options are very exterior colour dependent - fair enough offer them but why not also offer more traditional colour options as well?
4) the lack of a manual option put me off, but I could probably get used to this.
5) the rather bland styling of the back end also didn't help, though it does look better in the metal.
I thought about saving myself at least £10k and buying a cheaper 2.0 petrol turbo but I think that a Jaguar should have a multi cylinder engine and I knew I would not like it as much as my current car. What is slightly grating is that in The USA the 3.0 petrol is available in different trim specs and apparently from considerably less than we are charged here.
Ultimately I decided not to order last year (I was quoted up to a 6 month wait) and have decided to wait and see if:
1) Jaguar offer a bigger choice of interior trim options.
2) do something with the price, bearing in mind the new £40k RFL surcharge coming in next year. Whether they do this or not, in a year or so it will have been a model that has been out for a while and the discounts will presumably be much greater than I could have managed to get at launch.
So it is a great car, but a bit too much of a premium is charged for the 3.0 engine and there needs to be more choice of interior colours/styles.
I looked seriously at buying one last year and had a decent test drive in one.
To drive, the S version is excellent. The ride is fantastic for a car that handles so well. The steering is also very smooth and suits the car perfectly. The engine is great - full of character, plenty of power and makes a similar, if quieter, noise to a V6 f-type.
The Interior architecture is much better in the 'metal' than it is in the pictures and the car also looked great sat on the optional 20 inch wheels.
However, there were some things that stopped me ordering the car:
1) The price with the options I wanted was close to £49k - that is an awful lot of money in my book. TBH I would rather Jaguar offered the same engine with a lower specification and at a cheaper price where you could then choose what you wanted to add to it. All I really want is a great driving (and sounding) car that has A/C, cruise, power-folding mirrors and a decent sound system.
2) though since remedied, you could not have a CD player at launch - it is now a £600 option with some uprated touch screen malarkey.
3) the interior colour options - to put it simply, why Jagaur decided not to offer more tasteful trim options on the S (XE or XF) is beyond me. I don't like black interiors and the current two tone options are very exterior colour dependent - fair enough offer them but why not also offer more traditional colour options as well?
4) the lack of a manual option put me off, but I could probably get used to this.
5) the rather bland styling of the back end also didn't help, though it does look better in the metal.
I thought about saving myself at least £10k and buying a cheaper 2.0 petrol turbo but I think that a Jaguar should have a multi cylinder engine and I knew I would not like it as much as my current car. What is slightly grating is that in The USA the 3.0 petrol is available in different trim specs and apparently from considerably less than we are charged here.
Ultimately I decided not to order last year (I was quoted up to a 6 month wait) and have decided to wait and see if:
1) Jaguar offer a bigger choice of interior trim options.
2) do something with the price, bearing in mind the new £40k RFL surcharge coming in next year. Whether they do this or not, in a year or so it will have been a model that has been out for a while and the discounts will presumably be much greater than I could have managed to get at launch.
So it is a great car, but a bit too much of a premium is charged for the 3.0 engine and there needs to be more choice of interior colours/styles.
Jaguar are still using Ford engines except for the four cylinder diesels, which use the far more technically advanced Ingenium, which is Jaguar's own engine. Jaguar have confirmed future petrol and 6 cylinder versions of this, so presumably it will eventually replace all Ford engines across the entire JLR range.
With Ingenium engines turbochargers will replace superchargers and there will be a big step change in efficiency and cost of ownership. Looking at the technical features of the diesel version all Ingeniums will be more advanced than the German equivalents. JLR vehicles with Ingenium will even handle better because its design is fundamentally lighter.
When the Discovery Sport and the Evoque switched from the Ford to the Ingenium engine there was a huge improvement.
With Ingenium engines turbochargers will replace superchargers and there will be a big step change in efficiency and cost of ownership. Looking at the technical features of the diesel version all Ingeniums will be more advanced than the German equivalents. JLR vehicles with Ingenium will even handle better because its design is fundamentally lighter.
When the Discovery Sport and the Evoque switched from the Ford to the Ingenium engine there was a huge improvement.
Cotic said:
The engine in this particular car (V6 Petrol) is Jag's own engine, surely? No ford has a 90 degree V6 petrol?
The V6 is effectively the Ford V8 that Jaguar use with two cylinders chopped off.It is even made on the same production line as the V8.
It is called the AJ126 and is made by Ford at Bridgend in Wales.
MrHooky said:
I know they’ve gone a bit heavy handed on the options but this doesn’t look a £55k car to me. I sat in an XE recently and wasn’t that impressed with the interior quality – especially given this is an all new car. Also not convinced on the looks from the rear. Just looks a bit too busy. The XF being a bigger car fits all of the same details in much better.
Jag are missing a trick by not offering a 6 cylinder diesel in the XE. The thinking man’s performance car in the current 3 series is the 330d and 335d cars. Both massively impressive engines with MPG nearly 50% better than this.
Sounds like a decent steer at least…
Not sure. Those big diesels are just for chaps who can't afford petrol. Jag are missing a trick by not offering a 6 cylinder diesel in the XE. The thinking man’s performance car in the current 3 series is the 330d and 335d cars. Both massively impressive engines with MPG nearly 50% better than this.
Sounds like a decent steer at least…
How many people actually buy 6 cylinder engined cars anyway. The majority will buy a diesel version.
I find it quite sad that the headline is 'Jaguar XE V6 S' and a lot of the talk is about mpg and CO2. The sound, smoothness of a V6 cannot be compared to a diesel, but you have to pay the price for it. Mainly at the pump. That goes for all smooth petrol engined cars.
Let's applaud Jaguar for making this car, it may not be good value new, but it is likely to be in a few years, if any are sold.
I find it quite sad that the headline is 'Jaguar XE V6 S' and a lot of the talk is about mpg and CO2. The sound, smoothness of a V6 cannot be compared to a diesel, but you have to pay the price for it. Mainly at the pump. That goes for all smooth petrol engined cars.
Let's applaud Jaguar for making this car, it may not be good value new, but it is likely to be in a few years, if any are sold.
jamieduff1981 said:
moffat said:
Such a shame that Jaguar can't get it right with this car - The F Type is epic, but I can see many positives with the XE:
1. Externally and especially from the rear it looks really boring
So are the competitors1. Externally and especially from the rear it looks really boring
moffat said:
2. The interior looks like it's been plucked from an X Type
No it doesn'tmoffat said:
3. Jaguar are still a generation behind on engines
Thankfully so is their throttle response, which remains spritely amongst competitors which are rather blunt. Suppose it boils down to whether you're buying the sporty one for driving pleasure or for CO2 figures.moffat said:
4. 340i, C43 and the new S4 will all likely be much better
Again whether they drive better is now highly debateable. The 3-series used to drive better than the X-Type. The C-class was nothing to write home about and S4s were always understeery messes. The XE is a great platform. So it boils down to whether you value driving pleasure above infotainment and CO2 or vice versa.Is the Jag actually better to drive as the 3 series (or Merc for that matter)? I've not seen one group test it won against these. In fact I've never seen any road test a Jag won unfortunately.
So let's say it's as good (but not better than) the 3 and the C class you're left with a very subjective view on looks. I think the front is stunning and the back stunningly bad.
So no, it's not about driving pleasure over driver infotainment as you can have a 3 series and have both, it's just not the done thing to praise the 3 series now is it.
Adam Ansel said:
The V6 is effectively the Ford V8 that Jaguar use with two cylinders chopped off.
It is even made on the same production line as the V8.
It is called the AJ126 and is made by Ford at Bridgend in Wales.
The old 4.2 Litre V8 was the Ford engine. Jaguar designed a new 5 Litre V8 a several years ago and it's been in there's cars a good few years now. It's the new engine which Jaguar chopped 2 cylinders off to make the V6.It is even made on the same production line as the V8.
It is called the AJ126 and is made by Ford at Bridgend in Wales.
14 said:
Adam Ansel said:
The V6 is effectively the Ford V8 that Jaguar use with two cylinders chopped off.
It is even made on the same production line as the V8.
It is called the AJ126 and is made by Ford at Bridgend in Wales.
The old 4.2 Litre V8 was the Ford engine. Jaguar designed a new 5 Litre V8 a several years ago and it's been in there's cars a good few years now. It's the new engine which Jaguar chopped 2 cylinders off to make the V6.It is even made on the same production line as the V8.
It is called the AJ126 and is made by Ford at Bridgend in Wales.
To therefore call the current 3.0 V6 a Ford engine is stretching the truth a long way. The only Ford connection is that Jaguar Land Rover never moved production of the engines out of Ford's big and well equipped engine plant. Why would they? Ford is great at that sort of thing and the machine tools needed would rack up staggering bill to replicate for JLR's exclusive use. You'd only do that if your volume was such that you could do it cheaper alone. It's reaching that point now, happily for JLR hence the change in strategy.
I have to say went to see and test the XE being a Jag owner and Landrover owner for 20 odd years with the intention of buying. Loved the looks was keen to buy until I drove it. Most disappointing Jaguar I have ever been in, noisy, cheap interior, bounced all over the road flat spots in power delivery (I see this is owners top hates). Tried the sport, auto plus manual left showroom relieved to get back in the comfort of my disco 3 light years ahead on road comfort in all ways. Also tried the evoque with same engine and the refinement on the road was again vastly superior. This car would need to be vastly improved to even consider.
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