RE: Jaguar XE V6 S: UK Review
Discussion
To me the car just doesn't look like a £55k car (or a £46k car without options).
I haven't driven one, but the interior just looks low-rent in too many areas compared to the Germans, and no way can that justify a higher price than them.
Given that the Germans also offer massive discounts on their list prices, unless Jaguar are doing the same, they just won't compete.
I haven't driven one, but the interior just looks low-rent in too many areas compared to the Germans, and no way can that justify a higher price than them.
Given that the Germans also offer massive discounts on their list prices, unless Jaguar are doing the same, they just won't compete.
XE is a fab car to drive and hits the sweet spot between refinement and driver entertainment. However, the interior quality needs upgrading and they need to be more daring with the rear styling when the facelift comes along. I would also love more interior choices in terms of veneer and leather colours.
Regards,
MyCC.
Regards,
MyCC.
tosh.brice said:
Given that this is PH, a more detailed assessment and description of the praised dynamics would be welcome!
Hello!Just to say the original review has more detail:
http://www.pistonheads.com/road-tests/jaguar/jagua...
this was more a follow up story to see if those observations still applied in the UK.
HTH!
Matt
Bill said:
Er, no...
You are wrong.Go to Ford's Bridgend factory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar_AJ-V8_engine
jamieduff1981 said:
To be honest even the 4.2 AJ-V8 was 2 generations away from Ford design. The original 4.0 Nikasil lined AJ-V8 rolled out 20 years ago was a Jaguar design based upon what they could use from Ford, which included valve train components and such like. It was paid for by Ford obviously and the intent was that it would be part of a new modular engine family that never really came to much. The 4.0 V8 was re-engineered and improved (robustness of the valve train a big part) and enlarged to 4.2 litres. Only Jaguar ever used it. The 5.0 AJ-V8 Gen III that was introduced in the XF what 7 years? ago was significantly re-engineered again.
To therefore call the current 3.0 V6 a Ford engine is stretching the truth a long way. The only Ford connection is that Jaguar Land Rover never moved production of the engines out of Ford's big and well equipped engine plant. Why would they? Ford is great at that sort of thing and the machine tools needed would rack up staggering bill to replicate for JLR's exclusive use. You'd only do that if your volume was such that you could do it cheaper alone. It's reaching that point now, happily for JLR hence the change in strategy.
All Jaguar petrol engines are made by Ford. In Bridgend.To therefore call the current 3.0 V6 a Ford engine is stretching the truth a long way. The only Ford connection is that Jaguar Land Rover never moved production of the engines out of Ford's big and well equipped engine plant. Why would they? Ford is great at that sort of thing and the machine tools needed would rack up staggering bill to replicate for JLR's exclusive use. You'd only do that if your volume was such that you could do it cheaper alone. It's reaching that point now, happily for JLR hence the change in strategy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Bridgend_Engine...
If the primary purpose of a small sport saloon is about "the drive", then Jaguar have absolutely nailed it with XE.
If the primary values in this sector are cup holders, 'Perceived' quality through materials, BSM and other driver aids to stop you falling asleep at the wheel, ICE, Sat-Nav, Gizmos for engaging with social media rather than the road ahead, there are enough german alternatives to induce torpor.
I'll hand my PH card in on the way out...
If the primary values in this sector are cup holders, 'Perceived' quality through materials, BSM and other driver aids to stop you falling asleep at the wheel, ICE, Sat-Nav, Gizmos for engaging with social media rather than the road ahead, there are enough german alternatives to induce torpor.
I'll hand my PH card in on the way out...
Edited by FWDRacer on Thursday 24th March 11:39
Adam Ansel said:
jamieduff1981 said:
To be honest even the 4.2 AJ-V8 was 2 generations away from Ford design. The original 4.0 Nikasil lined AJ-V8 rolled out 20 years ago was a Jaguar design based upon what they could use from Ford, which included valve train components and such like. It was paid for by Ford obviously and the intent was that it would be part of a new modular engine family that never really came to much. The 4.0 V8 was re-engineered and improved (robustness of the valve train a big part) and enlarged to 4.2 litres. Only Jaguar ever used it. The 5.0 AJ-V8 Gen III that was introduced in the XF what 7 years? ago was significantly re-engineered again.
To therefore call the current 3.0 V6 a Ford engine is stretching the truth a long way. The only Ford connection is that Jaguar Land Rover never moved production of the engines out of Ford's big and well equipped engine plant. Why would they? Ford is great at that sort of thing and the machine tools needed would rack up staggering bill to replicate for JLR's exclusive use. You'd only do that if your volume was such that you could do it cheaper alone. It's reaching that point now, happily for JLR hence the change in strategy.
All Jaguar petrol engines are made by Ford. In Bridgend.To therefore call the current 3.0 V6 a Ford engine is stretching the truth a long way. The only Ford connection is that Jaguar Land Rover never moved production of the engines out of Ford's big and well equipped engine plant. Why would they? Ford is great at that sort of thing and the machine tools needed would rack up staggering bill to replicate for JLR's exclusive use. You'd only do that if your volume was such that you could do it cheaper alone. It's reaching that point now, happily for JLR hence the change in strategy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Bridgend_Engine...
JLR design an engine to their specs, and subcontract Ford who are already tooled up to machine out block castings and crankshaft blanks etc to build them to JLR's specs.
The engines are not available for Ford to use in any Ford branded cars. It's a JLR engine - that they subcontract someone else to build.
It's not rocket surgery.
DonkeyApple said:
Not sure. Those big diesels are just for chaps who can't afford petrol.
Yes and no. I’m kind of one of those chaps. I have just sold a D2 S8 (4.2 360 bhp V8 version) which returned a measly 15mpg combined. I could afford the fuel, even more so justified by the fact the car was roughly half the price of the options fitted to this XE. It sounded lovely too having an aftermarket exhaust. The fact is though, It was annoying having to fill its 80 litre tank every 250 miles. Money that l would rather spend elsewhere.So I purchased a 535d E61 touring which has been remapped to c.345bhp. It returns over 30mpg, has rear wheel drive has a better gearbox than the S8 and because of the torque feels a lot quicker than my old S8.
I love big naturally aspirated engines and the noise they make. However, the equivalent diesel engines (certainly in the German equivalents) are now actually quicker. I believe the 435d is now quicker that the equivalent petrol (440 or whatever they call it now) and don’t sound all that bad either. They even like to rev a little more than diesels of old...
I also think as with the XF, Jag are missing another trick by not releasing an estate day 1. Personally I think the C class looks better as an estate, and I see plenty of Avants and Tourings around. Jag need to offer one soon, plus hopefully it’ll sort what is currently a very bland and cramped back end saloon design.
jamieduff1981 said:
You're struggling with this, aren't you?
JLR design an engine to their specs, and subcontract Ford who are already tooled up to machine out block castings and crankshaft blanks etc to build them to JLR's specs.
The engines are not available for Ford to use in any Ford branded cars. It's a JLR engine - that they subcontract someone else to build.
It's not rocket surgery.
AJ-8 is a Ford manufactured engine that went into the Lincoln LS and the Ford Thunderbird. It has evolved over many years into its current version and the V6 version. In 1997, when it was introduced, Jaguar was part of Ford. So of course it is a Ford engine. JLR design an engine to their specs, and subcontract Ford who are already tooled up to machine out block castings and crankshaft blanks etc to build them to JLR's specs.
The engines are not available for Ford to use in any Ford branded cars. It's a JLR engine - that they subcontract someone else to build.
It's not rocket surgery.
Adam Ansel said:
jamieduff1981 said:
You're struggling with this, aren't you?
JLR design an engine to their specs, and subcontract Ford who are already tooled up to machine out block castings and crankshaft blanks etc to build them to JLR's specs.
The engines are not available for Ford to use in any Ford branded cars. It's a JLR engine - that they subcontract someone else to build.
It's not rocket surgery.
AJ-8 is a Ford manufactured engine that went into the Lincoln LS and the Ford Thunderbird. It has evolved over many years into its current version and the V6 version. In 1997, when it was introduced, Jaguar was part of Ford. So of course it is a Ford engine. JLR design an engine to their specs, and subcontract Ford who are already tooled up to machine out block castings and crankshaft blanks etc to build them to JLR's specs.
The engines are not available for Ford to use in any Ford branded cars. It's a JLR engine - that they subcontract someone else to build.
It's not rocket surgery.
I think it's hard to argue it's the "same" engine, or an evolution of the earlier AJ8 (despite sharing a name) if the block's totally different.
Raven Flyer said:
This is Audi S6 money, or well loaded BiTDi money. £55k is a very crowded market with some incredible cars. This isn't one of them.
I eagerly await the first 'spotted'... but think it will be quite some wait.
What is the fascination with taking an 'as tested' price of a UK press car and then comparing it with other cars that you could barely get registered for the same price? £46k is what the XE-S starts at, whereas as BiTDi saloon starts at £48.8k and the S6 starts at £55k. We can play the 'load up the car and compare it' game with any car - can we at least compare like with like? Also, I'd imagine someone who wants a sporty petrol 3/C/XE/A4 sized car probably isn't in the market for a warmed over diesel 5/E/XF/A6.I eagerly await the first 'spotted'... but think it will be quite some wait.
I don't know why the comment about the spotted either - they've been out in the UK for months, I've seen a few on the road. PH is just very late to this review party.
Edited by SimonD on Thursday 24th March 17:03
I was sat next to one at a set of traffic lights the other day and I think it looks great, albeit not so good from the back but still as good as a 3 series and better than the blinged-up tat MB offer now! And Audi don't do RWD, so not a competitor IMHO!
But why no manual option? It isn't like CO2 is likely to be an issue to potential buyers of 3 litre petrol engined models after all! If Jaguar can do it in the F-Type, why not the XE - they may not sell loads but even a few more sales would surely be a good thing!
Then in some years time I might be able to find one!
But why no manual option? It isn't like CO2 is likely to be an issue to potential buyers of 3 litre petrol engined models after all! If Jaguar can do it in the F-Type, why not the XE - they may not sell loads but even a few more sales would surely be a good thing!
Then in some years time I might be able to find one!
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