RE: Jaguar XE V6 S: UK Review

[DonkeyApple]

big_rob_sydney said:

ORD said:

This is the most cringeworthy stuff I have seen for a while. It is 'disgusting' for a repmobile not to have a sub-5 second 0-60 time? This place can be worse than Top Gear for utterly idiotic tripe at times.

I drive a car with that kind of acceleration, and it is batst crazy fast for our roads. The idea that pace of that kind is now necessary for a sporty exec saloon is laughable.

Cars are for driving, not top trumps. If the Jag drives well, it is easily fast enough to be a lot of fun.

I would probably agree that it's hard for a car to be 'sporty' without having a bit of speed, but 5 seconds 0-60 is loads faster than any sensible threshold.

Yes. You're quite right. Expecting an improvement of a lousy 0.1 seconds with a generation of development is clearly asking for too much.

So we should stop all progress, for the simple reason that ORD said so.

I will agree with you on one thing; there really is some idiotic tripe on here.

I agree with Ord though. It's not really about whether Barry can beat Gary at the traffic light sausagefest but whether a car is exhilarating on the open road if we are honest with each other. A slower car can be far better than a much faster one just by having the right steering feel, suspension and vitally gearing for the roads you tend to drive most often.

[williamp]

big_rob_sydney said:

ORD said:

This is the most cringeworthy stuff I have seen for a while. It is 'disgusting' for a repmobile not to have a sub-5 second 0-60 time? This place can be worse than Top Gear for utterly idiotic tripe at times.

I drive a car with that kind of acceleration, and it is batst crazy fast for our roads. The idea that pace of that kind is now necessary for a sporty exec saloon is laughable.

Cars are for driving, not top trumps. If the Jag drives well, it is easily fast enough to be a lot of fun.

I would probably agree that it's hard for a car to be 'sporty' without having a bit of speed, but 5 seconds 0-60 is loads faster than any sensible threshold.

Yes. You're quite right. Expecting an improvement of a lousy 0.1 seconds with a generation of development is clearly asking for too much.

So we should stop all progress, for the simple reason that ORD said so.

I will agree with you on one thing; there really is some idiotic tripe on here.

so you want to do 0-60 in 4.9? Quicker then a testarossa and most other 80s supercars?? And I guess the refresh will need to do it in 4.8 OR ELSE!! Then the next generation, what 4.5??

Getting that sort of time would mean trick tyres which are super grippy...but wont last that long. Do you want your 4 door saloon to need tyres every few months? Or you get caught out because they get a bit bald...

Plus you'll probably need 4wd for extra traction, which adds weight... (and isn't necessary. I mean, you're a driving God, right??? isn't RWD enough for you??). Then the suspension would need to be on the Audi side of uncomfortably stiff to try and control wheel movement. Then you'll moan about the Jaguar ride being too hard. And the seats which simply don't hold you well enough in a 4.5 sprint. beefed up transmission, clutch etc etc.

0-60 in 5 is fast enough for anything with four doors. Trust me on this.

[big_rob_sydney]

DonkeyApple said:

I agree with Ord though. It's not really about whether Barry can beat Gary at the traffic light sausagefest but whether a car is exhilarating on the open road if we are honest with each other. A slower car can be far better than a much faster one just by having the right steering feel, suspension and vitally gearing for the roads you tend to drive most often.

Well, we're all individuals with different needs. I live in a very built up area, and dont have ready access to open roads, and there are none on my commute to work in the daily grind. About the only "enjoyment" I get, if I'm allowed such by the nanny staters in the PH community, is, in fact, the trafficlight GP.

Does that offend you?

And, to William, let me refer back to what I said earlier. Its called progress. Yes, actually, I do expect improvements across the board in ALL things, not just handling, NVH, feel, grip, but, shock horror, acceleration as well. This is where you may have heard terms such as "such and such a car has moved the game on."

[SidewaysSi]

big_rob_sydney said:

DonkeyApple said:

I agree with Ord though. It's not really about whether Barry can beat Gary at the traffic light sausagefest but whether a car is exhilarating on the open road if we are honest with each other. A slower car can be far better than a much faster one just by having the right steering feel, suspension and vitally gearing for the roads you tend to drive most often.

Well, we're all individuals with different needs. I live in a very built up area, and dont have ready access to open roads, and there are none on my commute to work in the daily grind. About the only "enjoyment" I get, if I'm allowed such by the nanny staters in the PH community, is, in fact, the trafficlight GP.

Does that offend you?

And, to William, let me refer back to what I said earlier. Its called progress. Yes, actually, I do expect improvements across the board in ALL things, not just handling, NVH, feel, grip, but, shock horror, acceleration as well. This is where you may have heard terms such as "such and such a car has moved the game on."

So all you get your kicks from is racing from the lights against someone who probably doesn't know or much care for racing?

And unless you live in central London, open roads are generally available. Lastly, if you are looking for progress in steering feel, I suggest you go back 30 years or so and ditch modern cars completely. Technological progress is not necessarily actual progress for many, myself included.

[DonkeyApple]

big_rob_sydney said:

DonkeyApple said:

I agree with Ord though. It's not really about whether Barry can beat Gary at the traffic light sausagefest but whether a car is exhilarating on the open road if we are honest with each other. A slower car can be far better than a much faster one just by having the right steering feel, suspension and vitally gearing for the roads you tend to drive most often.

Well, we're all individuals with different needs. I live in a very built up area, and dont have ready access to open roads, and there are none on my commute to work in the daily grind. About the only "enjoyment" I get, if I'm allowed such by the nanny staters in the PH community, is, in fact, the trafficlight GP.

Does that offend you?

The only person who seems to have been offended is your good self. I have heard that some people live their life a quarter mile at a time and so that 0.1 second is probably essential to such specialists.

[big_rob_sydney]

DonkeyApple said:

The only person who seems to have been offended is your good self. I have heard that some people live their life a quarter mile at a time and so that 0.1 second is probably essential to such specialists.

@Si, yes mate, I do live in London. Funnily enough, just like several million other people.

@DA, horses for courses. There are a ton of people who enjoy performance in all its forms, including straight line. For me, this car disappoints majorly.

I previously read a laughable comment regarding "driving gods"; this car is not one which can raise its head in any kind of company related to what a driving god would actually want to drive. A driving god would be in something much faster than this, be it cornering, acceleration, or negative acceleration. This car is a joke at the price of £55k.

[ORD]

If you want a car for drag racing, a brand new executive saloon probably isn't the most bang for your buck!

I'm disgusted by MPVs that aren't mid-engined. I also can barely restrain my anger at how RR can sell a vehicle that weighs 2 tons - terrible for hill climbs and sprints. Don't get me started on how bad an Elise is at transporting furniture. Disgraceful.

[Horse Pop]

You people want the moon on a stick.

[big_rob_sydney]

ORD said:

If you want a car for drag racing, a brand new executive saloon probably isn't the most bang for your buck!

I'm disgusted by MPVs that aren't mid-engined. I also can barely restrain my anger at how RR can sell a vehicle that weighs 2 tons - terrible for hill climbs and sprints. Don't get me started on how bad an Elise is at transporting furniture. Disgraceful.

Now you're being silly for the sake of it.

Look at other cars like the Focus, RS3, A45. These cars can all perform at sub 5 seconds, and all cost less than 55k. Are they direct rivals? No, of course not. But materials science does not mean that the Jag is made from unobtainium. Its made from broadly the same materials as any other car, and so should be capable of bettering a mark set 7 years ago, by a competitor in the same market segment (read that last bit again, in case you want to introduce yet another car that is irrelevant to the discussion, and also not fit for purpose).

[big_rob_sydney]

Horse Pop said:

You people want the moon on a stick.

That would be a £55k pound stick. Perhaps looking at Mercedes, or Audi, or Ford (a45, RS3, or Focus) might help Jag know where to start improving their 7-year-out-of-date product.

Other people have posted their feelings on the overpricing of this car. If you love this car so much, I suggest you put your money where your mouth is and buy one.

All the best with it.

[DonkeyApple]

What happens after the first quarter mile? It might be that consumers of small, generic £50k cars want their class leading performance delivered elsewhere?

Maybe racing away from lights in London is 7 years out of date?

Besides, now that computers take care of the launch and the gear changes how the car tears away compared to another is probably more defined by the type of tyre being used or the petrol type when we are looking at a selection of cars only separated by tenth of a second?

It does seem odd to be so vitriolic in regards to 0.1 of a second, a time which can be made or lost easily through human error or spending.

Sure cars are expensive these days but that's the joy of a debt riddled society. Everyone feels richer as they spend money they haven't yet earned but prices of consumables escalates so that people are even poorer. £55k is a moronic price but thanks to the joys of debt people can't view that number as just a few hundred quid a month which even a toilet cleaner could 'afford'.

[Johnnytheboy]

big_rob_sydney said:

That would be a £55k pound stick. Perhaps looking at Mercedes, or Audi, or Ford (a45, RS3, or Focus) might help Jag know where to start improving their 7-year-out-of-date product.

It's not a hot hatch, why compare it with some?

[ORD]

Between two cars of anything like similar performance, the car that happens to have slightly fresher & warmer tyres will be ahead. All other things being equal, the quality of the road under the wheels at the start could also be decisive! 0.1 seconds is nothing! I would say that cars that are less than 0.5 seconds apart will feel damn similar.

[DonkeyApple]

ORD said:

Between two cars of anything like similar performance, the car that happens to have slightly fresher & warmer tyres will be ahead. All other things being equal, the quality of the road under the wheels at the start could also be decisive! 0.1 seconds is nothing! I would say that cars that are less than 0.5 seconds apart will feel damn similar.

Isn't there likely to be an r version at some point any way?

[George111]

big_rob_sydney said:

Now you're being silly for the sake of it.

I think you'll find *you* started it !