Tesla Model 3 revealed
Discussion
Such a weird thread. Don't understand the whole partisan attitudes against Tesla/EVs.
They make an impressive car, which may or may not be suitable for your own needs just as an KTM X-Bow isn't much good as an only car for a family of 4. The argument from some about how it "won't be able to do my weekly 500 mile commute in one go, ipso facto it's s
t" or how it doesn't do X, Y, Z as well as a comparative ICE car is missing the point completely really.
Tesla is in many ways more of a "be different" thing. In isolation it's hard to make the raw numbers work - I don't think they work at all if you buy the car outright, i.e. no one dropping £100k on a Model S is thinking about how long it'll take to pay off via saved fuel costs. That being said, I think for the most part people buying them are buying into an ethos, a "mission statement", it's very clearly the future of automobiles.
I'd happily drive a Model 3 around - it is perfect for my commute and very reasonably priced. it isn't perfect for someone who does thousands of miles a month, but that doesn't make it objectively bad.
They make an impressive car, which may or may not be suitable for your own needs just as an KTM X-Bow isn't much good as an only car for a family of 4. The argument from some about how it "won't be able to do my weekly 500 mile commute in one go, ipso facto it's s
t" or how it doesn't do X, Y, Z as well as a comparative ICE car is missing the point completely really.Tesla is in many ways more of a "be different" thing. In isolation it's hard to make the raw numbers work - I don't think they work at all if you buy the car outright, i.e. no one dropping £100k on a Model S is thinking about how long it'll take to pay off via saved fuel costs. That being said, I think for the most part people buying them are buying into an ethos, a "mission statement", it's very clearly the future of automobiles.
I'd happily drive a Model 3 around - it is perfect for my commute and very reasonably priced. it isn't perfect for someone who does thousands of miles a month, but that doesn't make it objectively bad.
Edited by Durzel on Friday 28th July 09:58
Mr2Mike said:
RobDickinson said:
Yes, short bursts of acceleration is far more useful in modern driving than an overly long track, especially in America where they don't bother with actual corners etc..
How many people are going to buy a Tesla to strip it out and bait muscle car drivers? Conventional ICE cars provide plenty of acceleration for typical road driving, how often are you going to need 0-60 in 3 seconds? Don't get me wrong, it would be a lot of fun, but it's hardly a 'must have' for your office commute.The great thing is that it can continue to be efficient and docile when you want it, then hurl you at the horizon when you want it.
Have a drive of one...it's a revelation.
rscott said:
Dazed and Confused said:
Farmboy UK said:
Jader1973 said:
And afterwards the GTR owner was able to drive anywhere he wanted, whereas the bloke in the Tesla had to drive home and plug it in for 8 hours, assuming the racing hadn't cooked it.
8 hours? Or 30 minutes on a superchargerAssuming the local drag strip is close enough that you don't need to recharge when you get there.
VGTICE said:
Is John Cadogan a cult?Nearly.
RobDickinson said:
For the P100D its big amg mercs and M5's etc they are competing against in the market.
come on its PH ffs yo dont want a fast car now?
But is it a fast car? It is quick in a straight line but no use on a track. Even a Transit van laps the 'ring in the same time. An AMG Merc or M5 would murder it round there.come on its PH ffs yo dont want a fast car now?
A few years ago Holden took a V8 ute round in 8:19.47.
I don't see how the Tesla can be called fast.
VGTICE said:
John Cardigan is a fleet broker that makes all his cash selling Toyotas to private buyers with a bit less than fleet pricing. He hates any brand that he can't get fleet discounts on.
His opinions are worth less than Gillian McKeiths advice on health.
Jader1973 said:
RobDickinson said:
For the P100D its big amg mercs and M5's etc they are competing against in the market.
come on its PH ffs yo dont want a fast car now?
But is it a fast car? It is quick in a straight line but no use on a track. Even a Transit van laps the 'ring in the same time. An AMG Merc or M5 would murder it round there.come on its PH ffs yo dont want a fast car now?
A few years ago Holden took a V8 ute round in 8:19.47.
I don't see how the Tesla can be called fast.
They find it quicker for real world usage - driving a mix of rural Suffolk roads and the A12/ M25 .
Yes the Tesla dropped out of high power mode during a 'ring attempt, but how often in the real world do you actually drive like that? According to one of the engineers involved in the Mclaren F1 road car, it's unheard of for those to be driven at full throttle more than 5% of the time (mentioned during one of the press conferences at the British GP)
rscott said:
One of our clients has a P90D - it replaced their F430, which in turn had replaced a Boxster (which had deposited it's engine all over the M25 )
They find it quicker for real world usage - driving a mix of rural Suffolk roads and the A12/ M25 .
Yes the Tesla dropped out of high power mode during a 'ring attempt, but how often in the real world do you actually drive like that? According to one of the engineers involved in the Mclaren F1 road car, it's unheard of for those to be driven at full throttle more than 5% of the time (mentioned during one of the press conferences at the British GP)
He's the kind of man who would say that carrier pigeons are better than faxes which are better than emails. I wouldn't bother.They find it quicker for real world usage - driving a mix of rural Suffolk roads and the A12/ M25 .
Yes the Tesla dropped out of high power mode during a 'ring attempt, but how often in the real world do you actually drive like that? According to one of the engineers involved in the Mclaren F1 road car, it's unheard of for those to be driven at full throttle more than 5% of the time (mentioned during one of the press conferences at the British GP)
Durzel said:
A Tesla is something I imagine someone with a F430 would have as their daily driver, not as a replacement to be honest. Can't imagine wanting to lose that sense of theatre from owning the latter. Different strokes for different folks though I suppose.
The daily driver is a Range Rover (or was last week, it's probably another big SUV by now). The Tesla is the fun car. They needed something with room for a baby as well and weren't interested in the usual M5/E63 suggestions.
rscott said:
One of our clients has a P90D - it replaced their F430, which in turn had replaced a Boxster (which had deposited it's engine all over the M25 )
They find it quicker for real world usage - driving a mix of rural Suffolk roads and the A12/ M25 .
Yes the Tesla dropped out of high power mode during a 'ring attempt, but how often in the real world do you actually drive like that? According to one of the engineers involved in the Mclaren F1 road car, it's unheard of for those to be driven at full throttle more than 5% of the time (mentioned during one of the press conferences at the British GP)
But the motoring world (press / manufacturers / enthusiasts) use the 'ring as a benchmark, not just in laptimes but for ride and handling. Even Opel are saying the new Insignia GSi is faster round it than the old VXR for example.They find it quicker for real world usage - driving a mix of rural Suffolk roads and the A12/ M25 .
Yes the Tesla dropped out of high power mode during a 'ring attempt, but how often in the real world do you actually drive like that? According to one of the engineers involved in the Mclaren F1 road car, it's unheard of for those to be driven at full throttle more than 5% of the time (mentioned during one of the press conferences at the British GP)
It isn't possible to describe a Tesla as a performance car because it is incapable of lapping the petrol head's benchmark in a meaningful time. Which means it is also incapable of having the ride and handling tuned for performance.
It is essentially a Hyundai Genesis with a lower 0 to 60 time, a shorter range, and poorer build quality.
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