RE: Jaguar F-Pace: Review

[skyrover]

LongLiveTazio said:

Erm, not sure where you're plucking those figures from but the F-Pace is 85.6" mirrors out, 81.5" folded. It's got nothing to do with NCAP, which isn't even mandatory. It will be because they've engineered it for two continents where might is right. A Honda Jazz is one of the best performing cars in NCAP history and is hardly a tank - good engineering is good engineering. I'm honestly not fussed whether people think it's an issue or not but don't quote inaccurate figures.

The figures you are quoting include the mirror stubs (folded), not the body width.

http://www.topspeed.com/cars/jaguar/2017-jaguar-f-...

[DUMBO100]

I think the have done decent job of a sporting SUV but I cannot stand that "leaping cat" logo on the rear of the car. It's not symmetrical and upsets me greatly. I know it's illogical but I can't buy one because my OCD won't let me, apart from that it's lovely. I hope all the new owners enjoy them

[oldtimer2]

LongLiveTazio said:

... The biggest elephant in the room for me is the Discovery Sport, because unless you go for the V6 I don't see what the point is for paying more for less practicality.

However, I've seen the F-Pace in the flesh and it's a very handsome car so I'm sure you'll enjoy it. It's just not my cup of tea and no offence is intended. I don't intend to sound preachy, I was just very surprised when I saw the dimensions. Cheers.

The Discovery Sport is aimed at a different market - eg third row of seats suitable for families with children - than the F-Pace. JLR has just published its March sales for the Discovery Sport as 16,937 units; that is more than the entire line of Jaguar sales at15,175 units. The F-Pace cannot come soon enough for Jaguar and they will sell planty with 2 litre engines just as Mercedes, BMW and Audi do.

[XFDreamer]

I may have to change my user name to F-PaceDreamer.

[Ares]

Looks appear very colour (and Trim?) sensitive.

Title photo in the blue looks beautiful.

The White looks crap and the Red looks even worse.

[MrML]

LongLiveTazio said:

However, near me you'd be better off with an A4 Allroad or Octavia Scout and get a better driving car in the bargain with lower emissions, more performance, better economy etc. - all of which are things that car companies are striving towards bettering and shout about quite a lot. The biggest elephant in the room for me is the Discovery Sport, because unless you go for the V6 I don't see what the point is for paying more for less practicality.

However, I've seen the F-Pace in the flesh and it's a very handsome car so I'm sure you'll enjoy it. It's just not my cup of tea and no offence is intended. I don't intend to sound preachy, I was just very surprised when I saw the dimensions. Cheers.

If you honestly believe an A4 allroad or octavia scout is a better drivers car you're on the wrong website... The disco sport, whilst maybe more practical is also a front drive biased 4x4 on a very old chassis - not a primarily rear drive car with AWD on a new aluminium one. I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who thinks any of these 3 are as good as F-Pace from a driving point of view, perhaps you should arrange a test drive and/or read some reviews before making sweeping statements about which is best to drive?

[Ocellia]

A Jag Quashquai?(sic) Not that distinctive, but I guess not many cars aren't.
Pity the Avantime concept was messed up.

[theshed]

I had seen pictures of the F-Pace many times and was not to impressed.
Then on a trip to the Defender tour at Solihull I saw a couple in the flesh and I was quite surprised. It looks a lot better proportioned in real life, I like it. If I can compare, it looks a better vehicle than the new Discovery Sport, much better proportioned and looking more like a Jaguar than the Sport looks like a Landrover !
As ever for me, as it is a 4x4 I would like to see a proper off road review.
Head to head off road with it's rivals. Any mag' up for it ?

[silent ninja]

btom said:

If you feel not up to piloting such a wide car just don't buy one.

I find it incredible how much bile every JLR launch is met with. It used to be weight now its width, it used to be they wouldn't drive as well as the Germans now its how much hard plastic they have in the interior.

There are plenty of other cars available, get rid of the chip on your shoulder, buy one of those and stop whining about a non-issue.

Agree
Considering how well the recent Jaguars drive, they're British, yet still get pedantically criticised on this UK forum that's supposed to love dynamic cars. The XE drives as well if not better than the best handling German car, yet we continue to extoll the virtues of the Germans.

[ZesPak]

silent ninja said:

Agree
Considering how well the recent Jaguars drive, they're British, yet still get pedantically criticised on this UK forum that's supposed to love dynamic cars. The XE drives as well if not better than the best handling German car, yet we continue to extoll the virtues of the Germans.

So should you use another measuring stick because it's Indian British?
I think they all should be looked at with the same eye. And if there's flaws, they should be pointed out.
If their infotainment is horribly dated compared to the competition or the interior is not up to par with the Mercs (tbh, who's is?), people can decide for themselves whether that's important criteria for them in a car.
And don't give me that "enthusiast forum" bs, "enthusiasts" can decide for themselves all the better which flaws they can look over and which they cant.
Just not criticising imperfections because "it's 'British'" is a big imho.

[Cobnapint]

LongLiveTazio said:

... but it just irks me that the JLR PR machine seems to do so well in the motoring press: 'Here's a list of serious flaws but it's the best car in its class, honestly.'

Fully agree. It's as though the journalists are triggered into over-praise mode through shear shock that it didn't turn out as st as they thought it might.

[btom]

ZesPak said:

Just not criticising imperfections because "it's 'British'" is a big imho.

Over support because they are British was not what he was referring to. The point is that a sizable section of PHers seem to think Jaguar is a national disgrace and a threat to the Teutonic trio who can do no wrong whereas many of the rest of us (and the global motoring press) are just pleased to have more choice.

See the comment above for evidence.

[btom]

Cobnapint said:

Fully agree. It's as though the journalists are triggered into over-praise mode through shear shock that it didn't turn out as st as they thought it might.

What a strange comment.

You believe there is a worldwide press over-praise to Jaguars new cars because they think they would be rubbish?

Really? What a strange 1990s bubble you live in.

[Cobnapint]

btom said:

Cobnapint said:

Fully agree. It's as though the journalists are triggered into over-praise mode through shear shock that it didn't turn out as st as they thought it might.

What a strange comment.

You believe there is a worldwide press over-praise to Jaguars new cars because they think they would be rubbish?

Really? What a strange 1990s bubble you live in.

Don't know about world-wide, but there does seem to be a bit of, shall we say, over scoring amongst some of the British outlets. Whether this is due to shock or plain old supporting the home team is open to debate.

[EnglishTony]

^^^^^ You should read the German Motoring press on non-German cars.

Biased is the word.

[ffhard]

One simple question comes to mind. Oh I'm sure it's a splendid car but having finally arrived at a time in life when I could afford one why would I want to?
Oh I know there is a market for it out there but, personally, I get more excited about some of the "Shed Of The Week" offerings than this.

[anonymous-user]

I saw one of these in London yesterday on trade plates and it was a really nice looking thing.

[clarki]

My Evoque is due for renewal next year. Deffo be trying the F-Pace. Although the Evoque has been superb, a change is always better IMO. More exciting.

[spyker138]

Still cannot understand why they are so much cheaper here in the USA - you guys are getting ripped off. Still, I suppose it's worth what people are willing to pay. Looks nice, but the interior is really inferior, especially for a Jag! The new Volvos are really much more what a Jaguar should be like in terms of quality. For example the rear door shuts in the F-Pace really are naff plastic panels, not even painted metal. Horrid.

[langlord]

I had one of the first cars (3.0 S diesel) on order and had an invite to the launch event and ended up changing for the Macan GTS.

Its a very good car at the entry price but at the top level S model at £52k base before options (£60k when you add a few almost essential additions), the fit, finish and quality of materials was just not there.

Also in the flesh we felt the car looked more like a lifted up estate appearing extremely long compared to how it looks in the photos.

Its still a very good car and no doubt will be a huge success for Jag. Plus I was not complaining getting a small premium to give up my order. ;-)