RE: Jaguar F-Pace: Review
Discussion
Not my kind of car at all, but if it helps keeps JLRs balance sheet healthy, (and the 6-9 month waiting list suggests it's off to a decent start), it's a good thing. Another contemporary, well researched, well designed and well marketed British car that people are prepared to not only queue for, but pay handsomely for the privilege of owning.
If only our various volume car makers had been capable of such things when they were still domestically owned.
If only our various volume car makers had been capable of such things when they were still domestically owned.
gweaver said:
I can't understand how the name got approved. It's like Espace with a lisp.
Agreed, also it doesn't say anything. No relation to the current range whatsoever. The name it resembles most is the F-Type, the car which it has the least relation with.I like what merc did with their SUV lineup ->
A -> GLA
C -> GLC
E -> GLE
S -> GLS
Jaguar could have done something similar:
XE -> XE-Pace for example.
Personally I haven't fully understood why Merc have named their cars after various loony left, Greater London political bodies. Whether it's the Greater London Authourity, Executive, Council etc whenever I hear or see talk of the Merc SUVs I am haunted by the image of a laughing Ken Livingstone standing in the Waitrose fine wines section of the John Barnes branch with a trolley full of champagne and claret. 
gweaver said:
What's with Jaguar mounting their grill badges on a nasty looking black rectangular bit of plastic? Surely they could have done better?
Oh well, the F-Pace should at least help with our balance of exports, so I shouldn't grumble.
I reckon it could look like this due to the placement of the radar cruise control there or something?Oh well, the F-Pace should at least help with our balance of exports, so I shouldn't grumble.
At least i hope there's a reason for it, it looks ridiculous and cheap, if not.
Otherwise, it's a well resolved design, i reckon. Although i worry that even with the 22" wheels....they dont even look too ridiculous. How small are the 'small' wheels going to look on there?
Limpet said:
Not my kind of car at all, but if it helps keeps JLRs balance sheet healthy, (and the 6-9 month waiting list suggests it's off to a decent start), it's a good thing. Another contemporary, well researched, well designed and well marketed British car that people are prepared to not only queue for, but pay handsomely for the privilege of owning.
If only our various volume car makers had been capable of such things when they were still domestically owned.
As a genuine question, not a snipe, what difference does it make where the ultimate ownership is? It's all British engineered and built, and so all the reinvestment comes to GB - as does all of the jobs and (presumably) the tax - unless JLR (which is still a separate company to Tata with its own registration) is not based in the UK? OK the top slice of the profit after all of the reinvestment and tax goes to India - but as this would be a matter for private executives I can't say it strikes me as important one way or the other. If only our various volume car makers had been capable of such things when they were still domestically owned.
But that's just me.
EnglishTony said:
Salgar said:
EnglishTony said:
Which Land Rover is this based on? Assuming it is and we are allowed know.
None, it's all completely newI was wondering if it wasn't perhaps the new Discovery Sport Road Shägger Edition
Looks f
king revolting. I love how the hate towards these cars 10 years ago has evolved into gentle admiration from enthusiasts and journalists.
Jaguar have lost the plot these days. I've no idea what they're up to. One odd car after another, all with try-hard styling. At least the F-Type is cheap, but I've still seen almost none on the road.
king revolting. I love how the hate towards these cars 10 years ago has evolved into gentle admiration from enthusiasts and journalists.Jaguar have lost the plot these days. I've no idea what they're up to. One odd car after another, all with try-hard styling. At least the F-Type is cheap, but I've still seen almost none on the road.
PunterCam said:
Looks fking revolting. I love how the hate towards these cars 10 years ago has evolved into gentle admiration from enthusiasts and journalists.
Jaguar have lost the plot these days. I've no idea what they're up to. One odd car after another, all with try-hard styling. At least the F-Type is cheap, but I've still seen almost none on the road.
Strange reply. Can you name other better looking SUVs? Like it or not SUVs are here to stay. king revolting. I love how the hate towards these cars 10 years ago has evolved into gentle admiration from enthusiasts and journalists.Jaguar have lost the plot these days. I've no idea what they're up to. One odd car after another, all with try-hard styling. At least the F-Type is cheap, but I've still seen almost none on the road.
I like the look of this, and it looks like another decent product from Jaguar Land Rover.
One thing I can't quite understand is why they felt the need for a Jaguar branded SUV when the Land Rover / Range Rover brand is so strong? Surly this will take sales from the Lower spec Range Rover Sport, or the upper spec Evoque / Discovery Sport.
Regardless, I'd have one.
One thing I can't quite understand is why they felt the need for a Jaguar branded SUV when the Land Rover / Range Rover brand is so strong? Surly this will take sales from the Lower spec Range Rover Sport, or the upper spec Evoque / Discovery Sport.
Regardless, I'd have one.
I am a JLR fan and own two Range Rovers and an F type so hopefully not biased. HOWEVER, I simply dont get this at all. It's very forgettable in the skin and blends in with all the other SUV's. I live near Gaydon and have grown to see these a lot, not impressed despite going to a factory launch. 4 cylinder engines mmmmmm??? Internally Jaguar apparently still tries to forget the X type (mistake), I think they should have forgotten this venture into SUV's. Sadly its all driven by profit and no doubt the hype will sell it on finance packages to "executives". Now what about those XKSS recreations.............eh?
The major issue when comparing the German cars with any other manufacture is the depreciation.
Perhaps if the Jaguar is very popular and there is a long waiting list it may help matters in the years to come.
I must say for an SUV it does look great but again if I was in the market for one it would be the Porsche Macan due to the drive and depreciation.
Perhaps if the Jaguar is very popular and there is a long waiting list it may help matters in the years to come.
I must say for an SUV it does look great but again if I was in the market for one it would be the Porsche Macan due to the drive and depreciation.
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 6th April 13:38
ZesPak said:
gweaver said:
I can't understand how the name got approved. It's like Espace with a lisp.
Agreed, also it doesn't say anything. No relation to the current range whatsoever. The name it resembles most is the F-Type, the car which it has the least relation with.I like what merc did with their SUV lineup ->
A -> GLA
C -> GLC
E -> GLE
S -> GLS
Jaguar could have done something similar:
XE -> XE-Pace for example.
As it's 4 wheel drive, how about XR4x4 ?
The Surveyor said:
I like the look of this, and it looks like another decent product from Jaguar Land Rover.
One thing I can't quite understand is why they felt the need for a Jaguar branded SUV when the Land Rover / Range Rover brand is so strong? Surly this will take sales from the Lower spec Range Rover Sport, or the upper spec Evoque / Discovery Sport.
Regardless, I'd have one.
So that Jaguar could be sold off as a better concern in the event that the TATA Group continues to struggle to pay down its massive debt obligations. Since 2007, the LR business has been bankrolling the J part and they need to get J capable of standing on its own two feet. General hedging of brands. One thing I can't quite understand is why they felt the need for a Jaguar branded SUV when the Land Rover / Range Rover brand is so strong? Surly this will take sales from the Lower spec Range Rover Sport, or the upper spec Evoque / Discovery Sport.
Regardless, I'd have one.
They also stated that an SUV with the Jaguar brand would be less hobbled by the LR legacy of needing to still be able to claim to be the best off-road. And it would allow them to make an SUV that was very dominantly road focused like the Porsches etc. It's why I've been surprised that they are now showing a promo video of it going off-road as that is one of the key remits they wanted to avoid image wise.
As an aside, the net revenues from JLR as a whole have been what has been keeping the TATA group afloat and paying their debt interest. As you can imagine the slow down in global industrial demand hasn't been good for them.
That's one customer lost then. I'll have to go German when I replace the XF as all I want is a large estate car, not an overpriced, jacked up SUV. Pity really as the XF has been ultra reliable, comfortable and quick.
What I don't get is why Jaguar can only do one or the other - Merc/Audi/BMW do both in that segment.
What I don't get is why Jaguar can only do one or the other - Merc/Audi/BMW do both in that segment.
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