RE: Nissan GT-R MY17: Driven (briefly)
Discussion
MB 1 said:
Wonder how many laps of Spa it can do now? The original 2009 one could only do 3 laps before the transmission temps went too high.
Sounds like a s
t experience - if anyone adjusted my seat there would be serious words had. Wheel grabbing is also a big fking no-no. wkers!
The issue I have with the GTR is what you would do with it. It's too big to enjoy on normal roads. On bigger roads you're looking at jail time (can say this with most cars but it's worse in a GTR!) and it's certainly not a track car... For what it would cost to maintain for track use there are far better options. I love the car but could never find a reason to buy one.
1) Gearboxes are fine? early ones had issues with bell housing bearing most repaired under warrantySounds like a s
t experience - if anyone adjusted my seat there would be serious words had. Wheel grabbing is also a big fking no-no. wkers!The issue I have with the GTR is what you would do with it. It's too big to enjoy on normal roads. On bigger roads you're looking at jail time (can say this with most cars but it's worse in a GTR!) and it's certainly not a track car... For what it would cost to maintain for track use there are far better options. I love the car but could never find a reason to buy one.
2) it can be fully enjoyed on 'normal' roads the same as any other high performance car and will normally handle the corners better than most.
3) Not a track car... seriously? I drive one at Brands Hatch next week.
dazzx10r said:
I don't see what all of the fuss about with the GTR personaly. It's ridiculously heavy, and the running costs are horiffic. Haven't Nissan heard of aluminium or carbon fibre?
ive had 3 over 8 years.. and none have been expensive to run at all... probably less than any new porsche ive owned. .. all came with 3 years warranty and free servicing... tyres and brakes can all be sourced easily like any other car.. .. .. and resale / private sale values held very well so overall depreciation was damn good.oh and ill add.. as much as I am a die hard porsche fan and have had loads of them over the years..
I can and have lived without them.. but cannot be without a GTR..
Edited by peterpeter on Thursday 2nd June 22:42
Edited by peterpeter on Thursday 2nd June 22:43
razzele said:
Did you have the alignment changed from the standard fast road setting ?
-1’45 and a small amount of toe out.
I had a 2010 gtr from new and did 60.000 miles in it, the front tyres were Destroyed on the inside edges after 6,000 miles - sometimes less.
Yes I did. I asked for a setting that would give maximum tyre wear possibly at the expense of best handling performance. Can't say that I've been disappointed with the handling though.-1’45 and a small amount of toe out.
I had a 2010 gtr from new and did 60.000 miles in it, the front tyres were Destroyed on the inside edges after 6,000 miles - sometimes less.
I did ask for minimum negative camber on the rear.
I've been lucky enough to drive three different GTRs in recent years, one being the £150k Nismo.
I fall into the same camp as a lot on here, love it. Think it's brilliant and an absolute credit to Nissan, one of the best cars I've driven, but I wouldn't buy one. I'm always going to be in the 2 car category of (not so) sensible daily and track special for the weekends. Whilst the GTR is capable of doing both I like having that split.
Oh, and on weight, has anyone driven one and notice that it's a bit of a porker? Certainly I didn't. In fact I dare say it uses that weight to it's advantage.
I fall into the same camp as a lot on here, love it. Think it's brilliant and an absolute credit to Nissan, one of the best cars I've driven, but I wouldn't buy one. I'm always going to be in the 2 car category of (not so) sensible daily and track special for the weekends. Whilst the GTR is capable of doing both I like having that split.
Oh, and on weight, has anyone driven one and notice that it's a bit of a porker? Certainly I didn't. In fact I dare say it uses that weight to it's advantage.
Zed 44 said:
Yes I did. I asked for a setting that would give maximum tyre wear possibly at the expense of best handling performance. Can't say that I've been disappointed with the handling though.
I did ask for minimum negative camber on the rear.
Amazing. so 27,000 miles on 3mm of tread! probably getting 40mpg too lolI did ask for minimum negative camber on the rear.
Liking the new steering wheel... Oh and the new LED lights in headlights (if they're even new that is). Sorry, have i missed anything?
Love the Nissan GTR and i understand that there's not much that needs changing. I'd just wish they'd stop faffing about with it though and just release a brand new shape/model.
Love the Nissan GTR and i understand that there's not much that needs changing. I'd just wish they'd stop faffing about with it though and just release a brand new shape/model.
Edited by culpz on Friday 3rd June 12:29
For those that have / had one - what are they honestly like to drive from an emotional perspective? Personally I see these problems, as much as I love them:
a) The size and weight - they are huge and intimidating things to drive on our little UK roads (B road blasts, etc). Parking must be a nightmare.
b) They are too competent. Driving something that can launch you so quickly into license losing speeds surely means sitting behind the wheel constantly looking at the speedometer with your foot barely on the pedal (doesn't sound like a lot of fun restraining yourself all the time).
c) Lack of sound and 'soul'. Okay, you can change the exhaust but it's never been designed to howl down the road like any other supercar - it just launches you up to silly speeds with no orchestra. When you sit in a 'special' car you just have to turn the ignition on and a smile appears knowing just popping to the shops is going to be an event - you don't have to go a bzillion miles an hour everywhere to enjoy it.
The second and third points go hand in hand - without noise at normal speeds (40 - 70mph howling after 3500rpm, blips of the throttle, etc) it would surely lack a soul; you're a mere passenger in this very competent car (like when you're sitting in an aircraft going 500mph - it's boring, despite the speed). This forces you have to push it above normal road speeds before you start having some fun. This means holding yourself back all the time so you're never really enjoying it (unless you want to risk losing your license).
Am I wrong?
a) The size and weight - they are huge and intimidating things to drive on our little UK roads (B road blasts, etc). Parking must be a nightmare.
b) They are too competent. Driving something that can launch you so quickly into license losing speeds surely means sitting behind the wheel constantly looking at the speedometer with your foot barely on the pedal (doesn't sound like a lot of fun restraining yourself all the time).
c) Lack of sound and 'soul'. Okay, you can change the exhaust but it's never been designed to howl down the road like any other supercar - it just launches you up to silly speeds with no orchestra. When you sit in a 'special' car you just have to turn the ignition on and a smile appears knowing just popping to the shops is going to be an event - you don't have to go a bzillion miles an hour everywhere to enjoy it.
The second and third points go hand in hand - without noise at normal speeds (40 - 70mph howling after 3500rpm, blips of the throttle, etc) it would surely lack a soul; you're a mere passenger in this very competent car (like when you're sitting in an aircraft going 500mph - it's boring, despite the speed). This forces you have to push it above normal road speeds before you start having some fun. This means holding yourself back all the time so you're never really enjoying it (unless you want to risk losing your license).
Am I wrong?
Edited by Anubis on Friday 3rd June 14:03
Anubis said:
For those that have / had one - what are they honestly like to drive from an emotional sense? Personally I see these problems, as much as I love them:
a) The size and weight - they are huge and intimidating things to drive on our little UK roads (B road blasts, etc). Parking must be a nightmare.
b) They are too competent. Driving something that can launch you so quickly into license losing speeds surely means sitting behind the wheel constantly looking at the speedometer with your foot barely on the pedal (doesn't sound like a lot of fun restraining yourself all the time).
c) Lack of sound and 'soul'. Okay, you can change the exhaust but it's never been designed to howl down the road like any other supercar - it just launches you up to silly speeds with no orchestra. When you sit in a 'special' car you just have to turn the ignition on and a smile appears knowing just popping to the shops is going to be an event - you don't have to go a bzillion miles an hour everywhere to enjoy it.
The second and third points kind of go hand in hand - without noise at normal speeds (40 - 70mph howling after 3500rpm, blips of the throttle, etc) it would surely lack a soul. This forces you have to push it above normal road speeds before you start having some fun. This means holding yourself back all the time so you're never really enjoying it (unless you want to risk losing your license).
Am I wrong?
Yes, you're wrong.a) The size and weight - they are huge and intimidating things to drive on our little UK roads (B road blasts, etc). Parking must be a nightmare.
b) They are too competent. Driving something that can launch you so quickly into license losing speeds surely means sitting behind the wheel constantly looking at the speedometer with your foot barely on the pedal (doesn't sound like a lot of fun restraining yourself all the time).
c) Lack of sound and 'soul'. Okay, you can change the exhaust but it's never been designed to howl down the road like any other supercar - it just launches you up to silly speeds with no orchestra. When you sit in a 'special' car you just have to turn the ignition on and a smile appears knowing just popping to the shops is going to be an event - you don't have to go a bzillion miles an hour everywhere to enjoy it.
The second and third points kind of go hand in hand - without noise at normal speeds (40 - 70mph howling after 3500rpm, blips of the throttle, etc) it would surely lack a soul. This forces you have to push it above normal road speeds before you start having some fun. This means holding yourself back all the time so you're never really enjoying it (unless you want to risk losing your license).
Am I wrong?
Size wise, they're no bigger than swift saloons such as an RS6 / M5 so that isn't an issue. Not a nimble little MX5 sports car, but then neither is a 911 Turbo!
Speed wise, the new Tesla isn't too far behind in the ludicrous speed stakes so shouldn't need to worry about watching the speedo more than the road,
Noise wise, there's a real move amongst the performance car manufacturers to introduce turbos as a way to keep the performance figures impressive (570s, 488 Ferrari, Aston DB11, Porsche 911 etc) and whilst they all sound good (ish) they don't rely on thumping great tuneful noise to put a smile on your face so the GT-R isn't alone orally. If you want that you'll need to buy a Jaguar, or shop on the other side of the pond (or wait for the new TVR).
The GT-R does suffer a lack of emotional attachment which is why owners are often looking for more power to try and add some extra fun (IMHO). The reason why the GT-R suffers a lack of emotional attachment (again IMHO) is because they are visually mescaline. They are a big dull brute of a thing with hard lines and an aggressive stance, intimidating both visually and tactically but with huge performance potential. The automotive equivalent of having a mate who's a WWF wrestler, looks exciting on paper but not someone you'd like to spend every evening with.
The Surveyor said:
Yes, you're wrong.
Size wise, they're no bigger than swift saloons such as an RS6 / M5 so that isn't an issue. Not a nimble little MX5 sports car, but then neither is a 911 Turbo!
Speed wise, the new Tesla isn't too far behind in the ludicrous speed stakes so shouldn't need to worry about watching the speedo more than the road,
Noise wise, there's a real move amongst the performance car manufacturers to introduce turbos as a way to keep the performance figures impressive (570s, 488 Ferrari, Aston DB11, Porsche 911 etc) and whilst they all sound good (ish) they don't rely on thumping great tuneful noise to put a smile on your face so the GT-R isn't alone orally. If you want that you'll need to buy a Jaguar, or shop on the other side of the pond (or wait for the new TVR).
The GT-R does suffer a lack of emotional attachment which is why owners are often looking for more power to try and add some extra fun (IMHO). The reason why the GT-R suffers a lack of emotional attachment (again IMHO) is because they are visually mescaline. They are a big dull brute of a thing with hard lines and an aggressive stance, intimidating both visually and tactically but with huge performance potential. The automotive equivalent of having a mate who's a WWF wrestler, looks exciting on paper but not someone you'd like to spend every evening with.
People buy the GTR for price v performance and hypercar slaying ability in all weathers, and when I've driven one its a real hoot and never felt particularly big. I can understand why there is a vocal and significant love for the GTR.Size wise, they're no bigger than swift saloons such as an RS6 / M5 so that isn't an issue. Not a nimble little MX5 sports car, but then neither is a 911 Turbo!
Speed wise, the new Tesla isn't too far behind in the ludicrous speed stakes so shouldn't need to worry about watching the speedo more than the road,
Noise wise, there's a real move amongst the performance car manufacturers to introduce turbos as a way to keep the performance figures impressive (570s, 488 Ferrari, Aston DB11, Porsche 911 etc) and whilst they all sound good (ish) they don't rely on thumping great tuneful noise to put a smile on your face so the GT-R isn't alone orally. If you want that you'll need to buy a Jaguar, or shop on the other side of the pond (or wait for the new TVR).
The GT-R does suffer a lack of emotional attachment which is why owners are often looking for more power to try and add some extra fun (IMHO). The reason why the GT-R suffers a lack of emotional attachment (again IMHO) is because they are visually mescaline. They are a big dull brute of a thing with hard lines and an aggressive stance, intimidating both visually and tactically but with huge performance potential. The automotive equivalent of having a mate who's a WWF wrestler, looks exciting on paper but not someone you'd like to spend every evening with.
However for me it's (fabulously) ugly, like a PS3 inside, handling is not the best and lacks a decent engine note in standard in form. Hence why people still buy Porsches, Ferraris, mclarens etc instead. Also if I'm spending £80k or £140k on a dream car I don't what it to start with 'Nissan' regardless of the Motorsport heritage and laptimes.
Wills2 said:
NomduJour said:
As above, a 991 Turbo is about 1700kg, an M4 roughly the same. A fakey 4x4 like a Q7 is closer to 2300 kg...
The unladen DIN weight of the M4 is 1515KG the 991 Turbo S 1600kg way below the 1752kg of the GTR the M4 is 237KG lighter. I am really struggling to see why this is just so damn heavy.
I have the 911 Turbo S at 1595kg
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