RE: Nissan GT-R MY17: Driven (briefly)

RE: Nissan GT-R MY17: Driven (briefly)

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ZX10R NIN

27,604 posts

125 months

Saturday 4th June 2016
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105 kilos costs the 911 Turbo S driver £70,000.00+ I'd forgive a car being 105kgs heavier but nigh on identical in performance to the more expensive option.

saxy

258 posts

124 months

Sunday 5th June 2016
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I just don't get the weight. How could it weigh more than a C63s which has 4 doors, real backseats, a 4.0L V8 that has all the leather and sound deadening. Makes no sense considering this is a purpose built speed machine while the other is for comfy commutes to the offices

Edited by saxy on Sunday 5th June 06:57

tjlees

1,382 posts

237 months

Sunday 5th June 2016
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Helicopter123 said:
Wills2 said:
NomduJour said:
As above, a 991 Turbo is about 1700kg, an M4 roughly the same. A fakey 4x4 like a Q7 is closer to 2300 kg...
The unladen DIN weight of the M4 is 1515KG the 991 Turbo S 1600kg way below the 1752kg of the GTR the M4 is 237KG lighter.

This.

I am really struggling to see why this is just so damn heavy.

I have the 911 Turbo S at 1595kg
Heavier materials and more crash structure? It's a lot and like putting 6 or 7 bags of cement in the 911! Or around 10 in the m4!!

However when I drove the GTR on road , it made little or no difference. On track though, the extra weight will take its toll on the tyres, brakes and maybe transmission.

HokumPokum

2,051 posts

205 months

Sunday 5th June 2016
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DIN weight from Porsche is for the most stripped version technically possible,
I don't know enough about bmws but I think the GTR is for an on-the-road version. So technically unless the journey weigh it, the on paper stats are not apples to apples comparison.

still all heavy cars.

tjlees

1,382 posts

237 months

Sunday 5th June 2016
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HokumPokum said:
DIN weight from Porsche is for the most stripped version technically possible,
I don't know enough about bmws but I think the GTR is for an on-the-road version. So technically unless the journey weigh it, the on paper stats are not apples to apples comparison.

still all heavy cars.
Din weight includes fluids etc so would be typical M4 or turbo s

Definitions:
Curb Weight = Weight of Car with standard accessories, full fluids, no driver
Unladen EU Weight = Weight of Car with 90% fuel, 68 kg driver, 7 kg cargo
Unladen DIN Weight = Weight of Car with 90% fuel, no driver, no cargo



NomduJour

19,107 posts

259 months

Sunday 5th June 2016
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Difficult do make a true comparison because some are weighed with the driver, fuel levels are different etc. but there looks to be roughly 100-130kg difference across the numbers I've just been looking at (real cars put on the scales, not what the manufacturers tell you).

Wills2

22,819 posts

175 months

Sunday 5th June 2016
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HokumPokum said:
DIN weight from Porsche is for the most stripped version technically possible,
It's the weight of the car using the DIN standard, the Turbo S comes pretty well optioned as standard, stripped out?



NomduJour

19,107 posts

259 months

Sunday 5th June 2016
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Not sure why it really matters anyway, it's bit like saying Usain Bolt is crap at running because he's tall.

tjlees

1,382 posts

237 months

Sunday 5th June 2016
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NomduJour said:
Not sure why it really matters anyway, it's bit like saying Usain Bolt is crap at running because he's tall.
Nope, it's like saying Usain Bolt is carrying 10 bags of sugar on his back while trying to run.

Cars are usually measured either by curb weight, Din or EU. The last Nissan GT-R curb weight was 1740kg. The gt3 RS curb weight is 1420kg. I.e. You would have to put around 13 bags of cement into the Porsche gt3 RS which would make it handle, drive and accelerate like a dog even though it's got 500hp.

The GTR is heavy, however when I've driven one over a period of 2-3 days you don't really notice it - probably because all awd, electronics, diffs etc are working to keep me on the road and quell the under steer. So it's not really a pure driving experience for me, but still an absolute all weather hypercar slaying weapon cloud9

Edited by tjlees on Sunday 5th June 18:29

anonymous-user

54 months

Sunday 5th June 2016
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Kerb (sorry)

tjlees

1,382 posts

237 months

Sunday 5th June 2016
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OpulentBob said:
Kerb (sorry)
getmecoat
hehe

NomduJour

19,107 posts

259 months

Sunday 5th June 2016
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tjlees said:
Cars are usually measured either by curb weight, Din or EU. The last Nissan GT-R curb weight was 1740kg. The gt3 RS curb weight is 1420kg.
Don't think a 991 RS is the best comparison (magnesium roof, thinner glass, less soundproofing, 2WD etc.), but the first result I found for one that's actually been put on the scales was 1540kg.

tjlees

1,382 posts

237 months

Tuesday 7th June 2016
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NomduJour said:
Don't think a 991 RS is the best comparison (magnesium roof, thinner glass, less soundproofing, 2WD etc.), but the first result I found for one that's actually been put on the scales was 1540kg.
Not according to autocar - RS was 5kg lighter and the 991 turbo s was 5kg heavier for manufacturer stated weight though both had a shed load of extras.

The Nissan is still heavy at 1.8t - no getting away from it - around 200kg more and 300kg against a track/road car

Brilliant car, but if you use it to its full potential it will eat tyres, bearings, brakes and Porsches for breakfast.

ZX10R NIN

27,604 posts

125 months

Tuesday 7th June 2016
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991 Turbo S £150,000 580bhp
1,605 kg (3,538 lb) for the four wheel drive Turbo model with PDK (Porsche Doppelkupplung).

Nissan R35 GT-R
1,730 or 1,736 kg (3,814 or 3,827 lb) with side curtain airbags is achieved using a jig welded steel chassis with aluminum used for the hood, trunk, and doors.

991 Carrera 4S £93,000 420bhp
Curb weight 1585 kg (3120 lbs)

991 Carrera 4 £84,000 370bhp
1585kg

Audi R8 £145,000
1725kgs

Now for 80k would you rather have a 570bhp & a giant slaying road car but for that money it's going to be 130kgs heavier than its performance rivals or do you save weight 155kgs but sacrifice performance by being 200bhp down.

Nice choice to have but that's the reality in order to make the car for 80k there had to be a sacrifice somewhere Nissan chose weight Porsche choose performance & a fair amount of the nice bits on the option list.







tjlees

1,382 posts

237 months

Wednesday 8th June 2016
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Slightly Out with the Nissan GT-R weights - from the brochure (showing the Nismo is still weighty):

ZX10R NIN

27,604 posts

125 months

Wednesday 8th June 2016
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I went by wiki's weight but the point is still the same.

tjlees

1,382 posts

237 months

Thursday 9th June 2016
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Possibly, but the Nismo is £140k and only 16kg lighter.

At least the gt3 RS went to 1420kg and is a similar price.

Antj

1,047 posts

200 months

Friday 10th June 2016
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Helicopter123 said:
This.

I am really struggling to see why this is just so damn heavy.

I have the 911 Turbo S at 1595kg
The 4wd system is heavier than the average 4wd system for starters

HJMS123

988 posts

133 months

Friday 10th June 2016
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tjlees said:
Nope, it's like saying Usain Bolt is carrying 10 bags of sugar on his back while trying to run.


Edited by tjlees on Sunday 5th June 18:29
Which matters why when you're still one of, if not the fastest in the world? Surely it's just taking the p*ss out of the others biggrin

David87

6,656 posts

212 months

Tuesday 11th April 2017
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Seeing as this was nearly a year ago now, is there any word of the MY18 GT-R? I doubt much will change as this previous revision was so comprehensive, but I know Nissan just can't help themselves when it comes to fiddling with this car. hehe