The Best ///M/Barge/General Rant/Look at this/O/T(Vol XVIII)
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p1stonhead said:
Shame there was no 130i coupe IMO. A great 3l straight six NA small coupe with 305bhp. Would be great (albeit I have driven a 135i and I assume thats pretty good anyway)
306PS was the 135i, the 30i engine of that time as fitted in the 130i M Sport hatch had 265PS. I prefer the NA unit too and didn't find 10% extra power a great leap from adding twin-turbo/latterly twin-scroll turbo to the 3.0 unit - yes it improved torque more significantly, but lost the lovely sound and some of the smoothness and linear feeling power curve of the NA six. The 125i had exactly the same basic engine as the 130i, higher flow rate injectors and a bit of mapping later and you'll have a 130i coupe/cabriolet.
Sheets Tabuer said:
bodhi said:
It's so good in fact, I haven't the foggiest what I'm going to replace it with.
Do what I did and get a newer version 
bodhi said:
Sheets Tabuer said:
bodhi said:
It's so good in fact, I haven't the foggiest what I'm going to replace it with.
Do what I did and get a newer version 4941cc said:
p1stonhead said:
Shame there was no 130i coupe IMO. A great 3l straight six NA small coupe with 305bhp. Would be great (albeit I have driven a 135i and I assume thats pretty good anyway)
306PS was the 135i, the 30i engine of that time as fitted in the 130i M Sport hatch had 265PS. I prefer the NA unit too and didn't find 10% extra power a great leap from adding twin-turbo/latterly twin-scroll turbo to the 3.0 unit - yes it improved torque more significantly, but lost the lovely sound and some of the smoothness and linear feeling power curve of the NA six. The 125i had exactly the same basic engine as the 130i, higher flow rate injectors and a bit of mapping later and you'll have a 130i coupe/cabriolet.
ATM said:
bodhi said:
Sheets Tabuer said:
bodhi said:
It's so good in fact, I haven't the foggiest what I'm going to replace it with.
Do what I did and get a newer version bodhi said:
Sheets Tabuer said:
bodhi said:
It's so good in fact, I haven't the foggiest what I'm going to replace it with.
Do what I did and get a newer version ........there again, I chose a 309gti over a 205 and run a Compact. I liked the way they all drove ATEOTD
Patrick Bateman said:
Which will rust, attempt to tear itself from its rear and comparatively cripple you financially, potentially. 
Yes, but it has a proper race engine, which is just so special.Also, when you are under the M3 you see all the little clever changes they made in order to make it a 996 beater - if you are an engineering admiring geek like me, you would know...
1 or 2 series - nowhere near it...
Patrick Bateman said:
996 beater sounds like a controversial one...
I have both...The GT3 wins the battle by the narrowest of whiskers and by the fact that it is super special to drive. However, a cooking 996 would not get a look in from me. If I was in the position to have to have one car instead of both a 996GT3 CS and an E46 M3, I would buy a CSL every time... When I bought my GT3 in Germany, the CSLs were more expensive, now that the GT3, particularly the low mileage Mk1 CSs have disappeared up their own arses, a CSL seems a pretty sensible proposition.
As for beating the 996 - the only two areas where the 996 platform is a clear winner is firstly steering. I guess BMW could not force itself to give the saloon based car something akin to the super communicative effort in the 996. And secondly, brakes, where the 4-pots offer better modulation and stopping power. No question about that.
The rest:
Engine - S54 is as good as the Mezger and miles better than both the 3.4 and subsequent 3.6 cooking versions
Gearbox - the Getrag is miles better than the heap of s
t Aisin box found in the cooking 996M-Diff- it actually works unlike the chocolate LSD found both in the cooking and GT3
Stock suspension - pretty equal -
Interior fit and finish - BMW is head and shoulders above the 911. Must say I like the design of the 911, but the feel is horrible
Performance - dead equal stats, but on track your average driver will find the M3 about 10x easier to drive fast...
So yes, controversial, the market also doesn't agree with me, since the 911s are 2x the value of decent M3s, but in reality...
Cheburator mk2 said:
I have both...
The GT3 wins the battle by the narrowest of whiskers and by the fact that it is super special to drive. However, a cooking 996 would not get a look in from me. If I was in the position to have to have one car instead of both a 996GT3 CS and an E46 M3, I would buy a CSL every time... When I bought my GT3 in Germany, the CSLs were more expensive, now that the GT3, particularly the low mileage Mk1 CSs have disappeared up their own arses, a CSL seems a pretty sensible proposition.
As for beating the 996 - the only two areas where the 996 platform is a clear winner is firstly steering. I guess BMW could not force itself to give the saloon based car something akin to the super communicative effort in the 996. And secondly, brakes, where the 4-pots offer better modulation and stopping power. No question about that.
The rest:
Engine - S54 is as good as the Mezger and miles better than both the 3.4 and subsequent 3.6 cooking versions
Gearbox - the Getrag is miles better than the heap of st Aisin box found in the cooking 996
M-Diff- it actually works unlike the chocolate LSD found both in the cooking and GT3
Stock suspension - pretty equal -
Interior fit and finish - BMW is head and shoulders above the 911. Must say I like the design of the 911, but the feel is horrible
Performance - dead equal stats, but on track your average driver will find the M3 about 10x easier to drive fast...
So yes, controversial, the market also doesn't agree with me, since the 911s are 2x the value of decent M3s, but in reality...
Fabulous collection Cheb. Both great cars. Only one attainable for mere mortals though!The GT3 wins the battle by the narrowest of whiskers and by the fact that it is super special to drive. However, a cooking 996 would not get a look in from me. If I was in the position to have to have one car instead of both a 996GT3 CS and an E46 M3, I would buy a CSL every time... When I bought my GT3 in Germany, the CSLs were more expensive, now that the GT3, particularly the low mileage Mk1 CSs have disappeared up their own arses, a CSL seems a pretty sensible proposition.
As for beating the 996 - the only two areas where the 996 platform is a clear winner is firstly steering. I guess BMW could not force itself to give the saloon based car something akin to the super communicative effort in the 996. And secondly, brakes, where the 4-pots offer better modulation and stopping power. No question about that.
The rest:
Engine - S54 is as good as the Mezger and miles better than both the 3.4 and subsequent 3.6 cooking versions
Gearbox - the Getrag is miles better than the heap of s
t Aisin box found in the cooking 996M-Diff- it actually works unlike the chocolate LSD found both in the cooking and GT3
Stock suspension - pretty equal -
Interior fit and finish - BMW is head and shoulders above the 911. Must say I like the design of the 911, but the feel is horrible
Performance - dead equal stats, but on track your average driver will find the M3 about 10x easier to drive fast...
So yes, controversial, the market also doesn't agree with me, since the 911s are 2x the value of decent M3s, but in reality...
/wanders off to classifieds...
That was the wrong screenshot; I'd appreciate it not being quoted as it's from a private email from a colleague. Thanks!
Anyway... airbox! And picking up a set of Porsche brake calipers this morning too.
I was going to do seats but I've decided to stick with the standard ones I think. Don't want to spoil the practicality of the car and since I have the Schroth 4 point harness that clips into the rear seatbelt, it feels quite good on track.
Anyway... airbox! And picking up a set of Porsche brake calipers this morning too.
I was going to do seats but I've decided to stick with the standard ones I think. Don't want to spoil the practicality of the car and since I have the Schroth 4 point harness that clips into the rear seatbelt, it feels quite good on track.
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