The Best ///M/Barge/General Rant/Look at this/O/T(Vol XVIII)

[ferrisbueller]

L100NYY said:

T

ex Rouse/Edwards RS500

https://www.classicdriver.com/en/car/ford/sierra-c...

Mega

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxFjyMUWLF8

Is this the same car?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JAD0Z7Ilfo

[L100NYY]

I believe so yes

[L100NYY]

He's pushing it a bit harder here....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7iK-o1g-ss

This is a great old Tiff vid in an RS500

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJl0-daCCHs

Edited by L100NYY on Wednesday 21st February 15:58

[Chris Stott]

Rocket. said:

Talking of bork, how ruinous could this be for £7.5k ?

https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C963304

928's... so much want, so much fear of ruination.

They are pretty complex cars for their time, and I certainly wouldn't take a 'project' on without a significant cash reserve.

[ferrisbueller]

Chris Stott said:

Rocket. said:

Talking of bork, how ruinous could this be for £7.5k ?

https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C963304

928's... so much want, so much fear of ruination.

They are pretty complex cars for their time, and I certainly wouldn't take a 'project' on without a significant cash reserve.

See also, E38 750 Sport.

[L100NYY]

And in a change from our usual schedule of Imprezas.......

250 GTO Recreation

https://www.classicdriver.com/en/car/ferrari/250/1...



And one of my all time favourites

250 TR Recreation

https://www.classicdriver.com/en/car/ferrari/250/1...



And another

https://www.classicdriver.com/en/car/ferrari/250/1...

[rejn]

L100NYY said:

And in a change from our usual schedule of Imprezas.......

Wow. They are lovely.

And may I present the budget version:

Here.



I’d want to take the Maserati badge off but there’s something about it I quite like.

Not sure triumph herald running gear would bring too much excitement though...

[Cheburator mk2]

ferrisbueller said:

Chris Stott said:

Rocket. said:

Talking of bork, how ruinous could this be for £7.5k ?

https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C963304

928's... so much want, so much fear of ruination.

They are pretty complex cars for their time, and I certainly wouldn't take a 'project' on without a significant cash reserve.

See also, E38 750 Sport.

Depends what you want to achieve.

Concourse?

Ruinous. A set of door seals - inner, outer and window guides is £1000 form Porsche. Quarter window seals set you back £750. Plastic trim around engine bay, under the car, a few hoses - £1500.

I am restoring something similar - a super rare in terms of spec 1989 S4 5-spd. Already up to about 50hrs on the interior. That was on a 2 owner 118k miles car which was always serviced by OPC and kept indoors.

By the time I am done with interior and engine/chassis I think I will be in for 500hrs. Then I will pay someone to paint it. At the end, I will probably have a better than new 928, but then again I know them better than Porsche.

To run as a rolling restoration project? Not that bad. Despite popular opinion 928s are stupidly simple cars to diagnose electrical issues for anyone who knows how to use a multimeter. They are pre-digital for most parts. Yes, lots of wiring, but it is either on, or off. The engine has diagnostic capabilities well ahead of OBD2, costs £200 for the software and cable and will let you know pretty much any faults. Amazing online community and support too. Just go in with eyes wide open.

Still bear in mind - there is no way to do it on the cheap if you want to do it properly and as Joel says for it to pass the Savoy test....

[L100NYY]

rejn said:

Wow. They are lovely.

And may I present the budget version:

Here.



I’d want to take the Maserati badge off but there’s something about it I quite like.

Not sure triumph herald running gear would bring too much excitement though...

Funnily enough I was looking at that the other day. Felt as though I should dislike it but.....but.... I kinda like it.

Few tweaks here and there but it sort of works. I think. Interior is HORRENDOUS though.

eta
It's got the 2.5 Triumph engine so will be reasonable

Edited by L100NYY on Wednesday 21st February 21:08

[Output Flange]

For context, a set of door aperture trims for an E28 is £1000. If you want the weather strips too, add £150 per door. And the window guide rubbers are £50 per door. Oh, and the rubber strips at the bottom of the windows are £40 per door for the outside ones, and about the same again for the inside ones.

I don't know what parts prices for old Fords is like, but nothing old and German is cheap to fettle.

[jeremyc]

L100NYY said:

And in a change from our usual schedule of Imprezas.......

I was having a poke around this one at the weekend.




And I believe not an obvious choice of engine.

[braddo]

L100NYY said:

Indeed, I think a tweaked V12 XJS is something that is rather appealing. On paper.

This looks like fun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70nyn9LH_bQ

Wow, what a noise.

In other news I'm picking up the GT3 this weekend from its MOT. A crack to the end of a front disc has meant a new pair of discs after 2 years and 5-6 track days. And a coolant pipe with signs of weeping has been replaced. At least the MOT was the cheap bit with no advisories.

But in a first for me, I'm going to collect one car only to leave another to be checked in for some bork fixing... Oh well, 2.5 years bork-free in an old high-miles Cayenne (ignoring the rear wiper I can't be bothered to fix ) is good going. Got the feeling it's going to be £1500+ for a fuel pump...

[Rocket.]

Cheburator mk2 said:

Depends what you want to achieve.

Concourse?

Ruinous. A set of door seals - inner, outer and window guides is £1000 form Porsche. Quarter window seals set you back £750. Plastic trim around engine bay, under the car, a few hoses - £1500.

I am restoring something similar - a super rare in terms of spec 1989 S4 5-spd. Already up to about 50hrs on the interior. That was on a 2 owner 118k miles car which was always serviced by OPC and kept indoors.

By the time I am done with interior and engine/chassis I think I will be in for 500hrs. Then I will pay someone to paint it. At the end, I will probably have a better than new 928, but then again I know them better than Porsche.

To run as a rolling restoration project? Not that bad. Despite popular opinion 928s are stupidly simple cars to diagnose electrical issues for anyone who knows how to use a multimeter. They are pre-digital for most parts. Yes, lots of wiring, but it is either on, or off. The engine has diagnostic capabilities well ahead of OBD2, costs £200 for the software and cable and will let you know pretty much any faults. Amazing online community and support too. Just go in with eyes wide open.

Still bear in mind - there is no way to do it on the cheap if you want to do it properly and as Joel says for it to pass the Savoy test....

Thanks Cheb. No real interest in concourse of any car tbh, whilst I can appreciate a car in that condition I'd like to use mine without the worry of degrading it's condition. Rolling restoration definitely more my sort of thing and I was thinking if you can pick this up for £7k could you in theory still have a nice useable 928 S4 for circa £10k-12k ? For the Savoy I'll get a cab

Sadly don't have time, room or disposable cash at the moment but refreshing to know usable higher miles modern classics still out there at sensible money, which also still allow a bit of home spannering and being higher miles less people seem to want them so I can't see prices firming up much either.

[JamesK]

L100NYY said:

JamesK said:

barchetta_boy said:

Ridiculous chav chariots, however capable they are I couldn't be seen in one, I'd be blackballed from my club. :-)

Today's musing: buy an Aston Vantage 4.3 in either Tungsten Grey or an interesting green for about £35k, retrofit maple veneers and cappings, drop £5k with Bamford Rose for exhaust and lightweight flywheel, and you've got yourself a genuinely quick (but not unusably so) sports/GT that sounds fabulous, goes well, and is probably one of the prettiest cars of the last 30 years. What's not to like? Maybe some leather buckets too.



Joel

Splendid! Why aren't there more of these?

More of what?

Apologies. I meant Bamford titilated Vantages. The noise alone! Plus the power increase takes the 4.3 up to 4.7 performance which I take to be most acceptable.

[L100NYY]

Ref Bamfords;

I'm surprised there aren't more really, a very very appealing package in my eyes

[phil_cardiff]

barchetta_boy said:

Ridiculous chav chariots, however capable they are I couldn't be seen in one, I'd be blackballed from my club. :-)

Today's musing: buy an Aston Vantage 4.3 in either Tungsten Grey or an interesting green for about £35k, retrofit maple veneers and cappings, drop £5k with Bamford Rose for exhaust and lightweight flywheel, and you've got yourself a genuinely quick (but not unusably so) sports/GT that sounds fabulous, goes well, and is probably one of the prettiest cars of the last 30 years. What's not to like? Maybe some leather buckets too.



My picks:

Tungsten 32k miles
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

California Sage
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

Chiltern Green
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

Joel

Oh my, I never tire of looking a Vantage coupe. In an ideal world I'd combine the looks of an early Vantage with the running gear of an N430. Perfect.

[Chris Stott]

Cheburator mk2 said:

Depends what you want to achieve.

Concourse?

Ruinous. A set of door seals - inner, outer and window guides is £1000 form Porsche. Quarter window seals set you back £750. Plastic trim around engine bay, under the car, a few hoses - £1500.

I am restoring something similar - a super rare in terms of spec 1989 S4 5-spd. Already up to about 50hrs on the interior. That was on a 2 owner 118k miles car which was always serviced by OPC and kept indoors.

By the time I am done with interior and engine/chassis I think I will be in for 500hrs. Then I will pay someone to paint it. At the end, I will probably have a better than new 928, but then again I know them better than Porsche.

To run as a rolling restoration project? Not that bad. Despite popular opinion 928s are stupidly simple cars to diagnose electrical issues for anyone who knows how to use a multimeter. They are pre-digital for most parts. Yes, lots of wiring, but it is either on, or off. The engine has diagnostic capabilities well ahead of OBD2, costs £200 for the software and cable and will let you know pretty much any faults. Amazing online community and support too. Just go in with eyes wide open.

Still bear in mind - there is no way to do it on the cheap if you want to do it properly and as Joel says for it to pass the Savoy test....

'500 hours'

[L100NYY]

A 928 is such an appealing thing isn't it, last one I drove was a GTS auto and it felt like it was (to coin an oft used corny phrase) hewn from granite and would just devour a continent.

They've always been a fantastic looking thing through all eras/models but I really do think they are getting better and better as the years go on nein?

Can anyone think of a better modern classic to tour europe in than one of these?

Enough character and charm to be interesting
More than enough grunt
Comfortable, long legged and spacious
Classy but not flash

I'm struggling to think of one.

Sticking with the retro German theme then a 911 SC/3.2 would be a close contender in my book.

[Chris Stott]

L100NYY said:

A 928 is such an appealing thing isn't it, last one I drove was a GTS auto and it felt like it was (to coin an oft used corny phrase) hewn from granite and would just devour a continent.

They've always been a fantastic looking thing through all eras/models but I really do think they are getting better and better as the years go on nein?

Can anyone think of a better modern classic to tour europe in than one of these?

Enough character and charm to be interesting
More than enough grunt
Comfortable, long legged and spacious
Classy but not flash

I'm struggling to think of one.

Sticking with the retro German theme then a 911 SC/3.2 would be a close contender in my book.

I agree... always liked them, but they look better than ever today. Classy is a good description. Rock up in 928 and you'd not look like you were trying too hard.

[L100NYY]

Indeed, that's my thought process on them.

I'm a huge old 911 fan though and a 3.0 SC/ 3.2 Carrera is one of my all time favourite (realistic) desirable classics but there is something so so appealing about a euro jaunt in a 928.

Family friend has had two or three 928 variants (all manual) and rated them very highly, he now has a 996 as he wanted to tick the 911 box and absolutely loves it.

So here's a question (God I hate it when people start sentences with "so"....)

Two criteria but both to do a euro trip in. In the real world ie comfort, fuel, desirability, feel good factor and most importantly 'Threadiness (no Audi diesels coz of fuel range innit)

1. £5k budget
2. £10k budget