The Best ///M/Barge/General Rant/Look at this/O/T(Vol XVIII)

The Best ///M/Barge/General Rant/Look at this/O/T(Vol XVIII)

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ferrisbueller

29,327 posts

227 months

Tuesday 6th March 2018
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Diesel Meister said:
You almost need to be able to buy some of these examples twice over given the pension fund investment grade values - something of a replica makes sense unless your name is Bruce Wayne (or Warren / Bill / Carlos / Mark etc.) hehe
Leave the real one in the garage and race the replica. That's how some of the race series work. Allegedly.

Chris Stott

13,365 posts

197 months

Tuesday 6th March 2018
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JZM had a ST rep in recently that the original owner had commissioned because he didn't want to drive his real ST.


NomduJour

19,107 posts

259 months

Tuesday 6th March 2018
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ferrisbueller said:
Allegedly.
See also: “The Goodwood Sham”

NomduJour

19,107 posts

259 months

Tuesday 6th March 2018
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You know when you go to the Revival, to see those original, genuine, historic old cars racing, just like they did in period?

ferrisbueller

29,327 posts

227 months

Tuesday 6th March 2018
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NomduJour said:
ferrisbueller said:
Allegedly.
See also: “The Goodwood Sham”
yes

Rocket.

1,514 posts

249 months

Tuesday 6th March 2018
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ferrisbueller said:
NomduJour said:
ferrisbueller said:
Allegedly.
See also: “The Goodwood Sham”
yes
Yep but does it matter ? Reps should perhaps be weight handicapped or engine restricted though.

NomduJour

19,107 posts

259 months

Tuesday 6th March 2018
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Suspect it matters to the people being fleeced thinking, and being told, they’re seeing the real deal.

ferrisbueller

29,327 posts

227 months

Tuesday 6th March 2018
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Rocket. said:
ferrisbueller said:
NomduJour said:
ferrisbueller said:
Allegedly.
See also: “The Goodwood Sham”
yes
Yep but does it matter ? Reps should perhaps be weight handicapped or engine restricted though.
Should reps be allowed? Do the regs say they are? If it's touted as proper period car racing then people running 2018 technology vs stuff that's four decades old feels a little off. I'm not that fussed as I just like the look and sound but let's not pretend they're something they're not.

Rocket.

1,514 posts

249 months

Tuesday 6th March 2018
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ferrisbueller said:
Should reps be allowed? Do the regs say they are? If it's touted as proper period car racing then people running 2018 technology vs stuff that's four decades old feels a little off. I'm not that fussed as I just like the look and sound but let's not pretend they're something they're not.
Truth be told I don't know enough about it and I do get some of the frustration but I'd rather see a grid full of cars battling it out than handful of the 'real' old cars being gingerly driven round or demo'd. It would be nice to be able to easily identify which is which, but if I knew for example that 75 percent of the cars are reps it wouldn't detract from the racing for me personally.

NomduJour

19,107 posts

259 months

Tuesday 6th March 2018
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Even if they were purporting to be the real deal?

Rocket.

1,514 posts

249 months

Tuesday 6th March 2018
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I've known for a long time that many of them are not, also I thought it was an invite only event to limit the number of reps being raced ?

NomduJour

19,107 posts

259 months

Tuesday 6th March 2018
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Point is that if you took the programmes, descriptions, commentary, official videos etc. at face value, you would not know that you were seeing a replica.

Chris Stott

13,365 posts

197 months

Tuesday 6th March 2018
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As long as the cars are period correct, I don't see what the problem is. Don't they have to have FIA papers or log books to compete?

NomduJour

19,107 posts

259 months

Tuesday 6th March 2018
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The problem - dig out your Revival programme from, say, last year. How many entries (with “their” original chassis number, potted history etc.) are described as a replica?

jeremyc

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23,466 posts

284 months

Tuesday 6th March 2018
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There's no such thing as an "original" racing car. They are rebuilt all the time, and undergo countless engine, body and even chassis replacements during their racing life.

What's to say which version of the period car should be reflected at Goodwood?

I've no problem with 'replicas' so long as they are true to the car as it would have raced at some point.

NomduJour

19,107 posts

259 months

Tuesday 6th March 2018
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jeremyc said:
What's to say which version of the period car should be reflected at Goodwood?
How about where two versions of the same car exist, one of which has been recently built from scratch as a facsimile (where they “share” a chassis number, and the paying public is never told of the new car’s existence)?

If you’d been to the Louvre to see the Venus di Milo, would you be annoyed if you later discovered you’d been looking at a pretty accurate modern reproduction?


Edited by NomduJour on Tuesday 6th March 16:09

Chris Stott

13,365 posts

197 months

Tuesday 6th March 2018
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Personally, for competition cars, it doesn't bother me so much as long as they haven't had modern suspension/brakes/tyres/engines shoved in them.

What is important is they perform like the originals.

jeremyc

Original Poster:

23,466 posts

284 months

Tuesday 6th March 2018
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NomduJour said:
jeremyc said:
What's to say which version of the period car should be reflected at Goodwood?
How about where two versions of the same car exist, one of which has been recently built from scratch as a facsimile (where they “share” a chassis number, and the paying public is never told of the new car’s existence)?

If you’d been to the Louvre to see the Venus di Milo, would you be annoyed if you later discovered you’d been looking at a pretty accurate modern reproduction?
If they are indistinguishable (a true facsimile) then I've no problem. I'd be none the wiser. smile

NomduJour

19,107 posts

259 months

Tuesday 6th March 2018
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Maybe I’m the only one who doesn’t like spending a lot of money to be lied to.

ATM

18,285 posts

219 months

Tuesday 6th March 2018
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NomduJour said:
Maybe I’m the only one who doesn’t like spending a lot of money to be lied to.
Yeah cheap hookers are best
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