RE: Ford Mustang Ecoboost Revo Stage 1: Review
Discussion
I get that as a weekender we'd all take the V8 as these sorts of cars are luxuries not bought with a spreadsheet open in the background.
But as a daily driver doing 20k miles a year (where s spreadsheet normally resides) would it be this or a 320i coupe / Audi A5 2.0t? I think when compared against these options on a company car list (where for most a V8 of any description wouldn't even feature) it could look rather more relevant, dare I say it, attractive prospect. As someone else said, take the word 'Mustang' out of the equation and the component ingredients are rather unique and interesting in this market segment.
Seems to me a bit like lamenting a 320i just because the M4 exists and that you'd be an idiot to buy one when the other exists. I do get the point though that the small price difference of the mustang variants rather negates the BMW comparison.
But maybe you'll see my point?
ps I'm not in the market for this sort of car, so no fan-boi, just a casual observer chipping in, so to speak.
But as a daily driver doing 20k miles a year (where s spreadsheet normally resides) would it be this or a 320i coupe / Audi A5 2.0t? I think when compared against these options on a company car list (where for most a V8 of any description wouldn't even feature) it could look rather more relevant, dare I say it, attractive prospect. As someone else said, take the word 'Mustang' out of the equation and the component ingredients are rather unique and interesting in this market segment.
Seems to me a bit like lamenting a 320i just because the M4 exists and that you'd be an idiot to buy one when the other exists. I do get the point though that the small price difference of the mustang variants rather negates the BMW comparison.
But maybe you'll see my point?
ps I'm not in the market for this sort of car, so no fan-boi, just a casual observer chipping in, so to speak.
No.
The mustang is a v8. You can do whatever you want to this car, it will still just be a car that looks like a mustang, but doesn't have a v8.
It'd be like putting a hot 4 pot duratec (260hp) in an old Ferrari. It'd be faster, more economical, measurably better than the engine you took out, but would totally ruin the car in every non measurable way.
The mustang is a v8. You can do whatever you want to this car, it will still just be a car that looks like a mustang, but doesn't have a v8.
It'd be like putting a hot 4 pot duratec (260hp) in an old Ferrari. It'd be faster, more economical, measurably better than the engine you took out, but would totally ruin the car in every non measurable way.
Matt UK said:
I get that as a weekender we'd all take the V8 as these sorts of cars are luxuries not bought with a spreadsheet open in the background.
But as a daily driver doing 20k miles a year (where s spreadsheet normally resides) would it be this or a 320i coupe / Audi A5 2.0t? I think when compared against these options on a company car list (where for most a V8 of any description wouldn't even feature) it could look rather more relevant, dare I say it, attractive prospect. As someone else said, take the word 'Mustang' out of the equation and the component ingredients are rather unique and interesting in this market segment.
Seems to me a bit like lamenting a 320i just because the M4 exists and that you'd be an idiot to buy one when the other exists. I do get the point though that the small price difference of the mustang variants rather negates the BMW comparison.
But maybe you'll see my point?
ps I'm not in the market for this sort of car, so no fan-boi, just a casual observer chipping in, so to speak.
Perfectly put and a great comparison. I can imagine being given a list of cars in this segment on a fleet list, V8 nowhere to be seen.But as a daily driver doing 20k miles a year (where s spreadsheet normally resides) would it be this or a 320i coupe / Audi A5 2.0t? I think when compared against these options on a company car list (where for most a V8 of any description wouldn't even feature) it could look rather more relevant, dare I say it, attractive prospect. As someone else said, take the word 'Mustang' out of the equation and the component ingredients are rather unique and interesting in this market segment.
Seems to me a bit like lamenting a 320i just because the M4 exists and that you'd be an idiot to buy one when the other exists. I do get the point though that the small price difference of the mustang variants rather negates the BMW comparison.
But maybe you'll see my point?
ps I'm not in the market for this sort of car, so no fan-boi, just a casual observer chipping in, so to speak.
Matt UK said:
I get that as a weekender we'd all take the V8 as these sorts of cars are luxuries not bought with a spreadsheet open in the background.
But as a daily driver doing 20k miles a year (where s spreadsheet normally resides) would it be this or a 320i coupe / Audi A5 2.0t? I think when compared against these options on a company car list (where for most a V8 of any description wouldn't even feature) it could look rather more relevant, dare I say it, attractive prospect. As someone else said, take the word 'Mustang' out of the equation and the component ingredients are rather unique and interesting in this market segment.
Seems to me a bit like lamenting a 320i just because the M4 exists and that you'd be an idiot to buy one when the other exists. I do get the point though that the small price difference of the mustang variants rather negates the BMW comparison.
But maybe you'll see my point?
ps I'm not in the market for this sort of car, so no fan-boi, just a casual observer chipping in, so to speak.
There are some cars which are known and loved for being iconic. BMW for example, are mostly known for making cooking model cars and they have a halo sub-brand within to improve sales of 320d models. Ferrari on the other hand only make "dream" type cars. You don't get a choice of engine - you get what they're selling you as part of the car. BMW have made a supercar before - the M1. It's not that well loved to be fair. Ford, like BMW, make every day cars but have had some icons. The Ford GT, for example, a beautiful homage to GT40. Again, you don't get to choose the engine to ponce around looking like you have a Ford GT but with a self-belief of lower cost.But as a daily driver doing 20k miles a year (where s spreadsheet normally resides) would it be this or a 320i coupe / Audi A5 2.0t? I think when compared against these options on a company car list (where for most a V8 of any description wouldn't even feature) it could look rather more relevant, dare I say it, attractive prospect. As someone else said, take the word 'Mustang' out of the equation and the component ingredients are rather unique and interesting in this market segment.
Seems to me a bit like lamenting a 320i just because the M4 exists and that you'd be an idiot to buy one when the other exists. I do get the point though that the small price difference of the mustang variants rather negates the BMW comparison.
But maybe you'll see my point?
ps I'm not in the market for this sort of car, so no fan-boi, just a casual observer chipping in, so to speak.
The Mustang is probably different for different folks. To Americans, who are used to seeing them, a Mustang with a s
t engine is probably not much more of a disappointment than seeing an AMG kitted Merc SLK go past only to see it's a diesel from behind. Real world performance blah blah blah it's still not what you hoped for.The fact is that to almost everyone in Europe, the Mustang is the most famous muscle car. It's a household name. Even people who don't know what a V8 is will recognise the classic "American" sound from TV and film recordings. To many in Europe, the name Mustang invokes a feeling of "go V8 or go home". That seems to be supported by the ratio of sales in the UK which I understand has bucked all predictions of the Ecoboost being the volume seller.
It seems that if you're in the market for a Mustang at all, you already know what you're buying in to and most want the V8 whatever their usage. It's unlikely that very many white-goods buyers are weighing up the clichéd aspirational German badges stuck to engines which return good official cycle MPG and CO2 figures whilst also seriously considering a Ford Mustang in the same mix.
I'm still wondering why for a brand new, latest tech engine the V8 is so rubbish on mpg? My old 2005 S4 used to get near what the Mustang does.
I do love the look of the Mustang though.
I don't see the Ecoboost doing much. The V8 will be bought for looks, sound and character. the Ecoboose has no sound and no character.
I do love the look of the Mustang though.
I don't see the Ecoboost doing much. The V8 will be bought for looks, sound and character. the Ecoboose has no sound and no character.
Matt UK said:
But as a daily driver doing 20k miles a year (where s spreadsheet normally resides) would it be this or a 320i coupe / Audi A5 2.0t? I think when compared against these options on a company car list (where for most a V8 of any description wouldn't even feature) it could look rather more relevant, dare I say it, attractive prospect. As someone else said, take the word 'Mustang' out of the equation and the component ingredients are rather unique and interesting in this market segment.
I totally understand the point you're making, but the reality is that for a fleet "owner" (who most of the daily drivers you describe above are going to be), the RRP of the car's a irrelevant. Your fleet manager is going to give you a range of options based on leasing costs. From a very light first glance, the cost of leasing an Ecoboost Mustang is somewhere around the top end of the 4 series range (430i or 440i), and in those cars you're going to have a faster car, a better steer, a nicer place to be... in every measurable way they are going to be better cars. The trump card the Mustang has always potentially had against these cars is it's character (because of the V8), which you completely loose if you have the Ecoboost.It's possible the numbers I've seen are way off (I only checked one website), but in fleet terms it's really 2.3 Ecoboost vs. 430i, I strongly doubt many people will be taking the Ford.
This hasn't changed my original assertion that if you want a Mustang, buy the V8. Enjoy the various shortcomings, but enjoy the car more.
If you want the Ecoboost engine, buy the Focus, which will be a better ownership prospect and a better car for most people, most of the time, than the Mustang.
If you want the Ecoboost engine, buy the Focus, which will be a better ownership prospect and a better car for most people, most of the time, than the Mustang.
Matt UK said:
Seems to me a bit like lamenting a 320i just because the M4 exists and that you'd be an idiot to buy one when the other exists. I do get the point though that the small price difference of the mustang variants rather negates the BMW comparison.
But maybe you'll see my point?
ps I'm not in the market for this sort of car, so no fan-boi, just a casual observer chipping in, so to speak.
Tis a good point, but even M cars used to be all about the engine. Lovely inline 6s or a V8 with ITBs. The lesser models had vanilla engines, so nobody expected anything amazing from those cars. Now even the Ms have generic turbo engines.But maybe you'll see my point?
ps I'm not in the market for this sort of car, so no fan-boi, just a casual observer chipping in, so to speak.
What I don't understand is the Brits whining about the 2.3, like we are the world authority on V8s. All we've done is shoe horn existing V8s (from America) into things with less than amazing results. And it's not like the V8 in the 'stang is an especially amazing one to begin with, either. It's a vanilla V8 engine from American land.
My point is cars now are no longer all about the engine. And they are fast becoming even less relevant with electric power gaining more momentum.
DS197 said:
Did I read that right.. 6.8 seconds to 60?! Must be fun getting spanked by Fiesta STs
Yep you read it right but they typed it wrong - it's 5.8 to 62mphhttp://www.ford.co.uk/Cars/newmustang/features
IanJ9375 said:
Yep you read it right but they typed it wrong - it's 5.8 to 62mph
http://www.ford.co.uk/Cars/newmustang/features
Whew, in that case I take my comment backhttp://www.ford.co.uk/Cars/newmustang/features
bigmuzzie said:
That under bonnet reminds me of ^^
a Capri 1.3 - all the space in the world for a nice V
That way, we get a successor to the Capri with all it's Brooklands 280, Tickford Turbo & X-pack connotations and the Mustang retains all it's Bullitt, Shelby & V8 powerplant connotations and is not sullied by another 4-pot variant. Branding is very important, Ford missed a trick here.
DeanHelix said:
I was chatting with a friend a few years ago when this new Mustang was announced. We decided Ford should have two names for this car depending on engine variant. Both 2+2 RWD coupes on a shared platform, but the 2.3 Ecoboost would be branded the Capri and the V8 would be the Mustang. Each with it's own styling cues to heritage and slight bodywork tweaks a la Toyota GT86 vs Subaru BRZ.
That way, we get a successor to the Capri with all it's Brooklands 280, Tickford Turbo & X-pack connotations and the Mustang retains all it's Bullitt, Shelby & V8 powerplant connotations and is not sullied by another 4-pot variant. Branding is very important, Ford missed a trick here.
I agree with your statement.That way, we get a successor to the Capri with all it's Brooklands 280, Tickford Turbo & X-pack connotations and the Mustang retains all it's Bullitt, Shelby & V8 powerplant connotations and is not sullied by another 4-pot variant. Branding is very important, Ford missed a trick here.
SevenR said:
I'm still wondering why for a brand new, latest tech engine the V8 is so rubbish on mpg? My old 2005 S4 used to get near what the Mustang does.
I do love the look of the Mustang though.
I don't see the Ecoboost doing much. The V8 will be bought for looks, sound and character. the Ecoboose has no sound and no character.
Went for a 2000 mile blast around the Alps in mine a couple of weeks ago and the OBD recorded over 26mpg which I don't think is unreasonable. 30 on the motorway is easily achievable. I do love the look of the Mustang though.
I don't see the Ecoboost doing much. The V8 will be bought for looks, sound and character. the Ecoboose has no sound and no character.
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