RE: Ford Mustang Ecoboost Revo Stage 1: Review
Discussion
DeanHelix said:
I was chatting with a friend a few years ago when this new Mustang was announced. We decided Ford should have two names for this car depending on engine variant. Both 2+2 RWD coupes on a shared platform, but the 2.3 Ecoboost would be branded the Capri and the V8 would be the Mustang. Each with it's own styling cues to heritage and slight bodywork tweaks a la Toyota GT86 vs Subaru BRZ.
That way, we get a successor to the Capri with all it's Brooklands 280, Tickford Turbo & X-pack connotations and the Mustang retains all it's Bullitt, Shelby & V8 powerplant connotations and is not sullied by another 4-pot variant. Branding is very important, Ford missed a trick here.
That would be nice, but no bean counter at ford is going to justify the expense of creating an entirely different chassis - bearing in mind that the chassis/body are more or less the same thing these days - doing all the styling, tooling up for production of a different body and everything else that would entail. To a money man it's the "same car" and they're not going to spend lots of money to create an actual distinction between cooking and top of the range versions when they can just slap different badges on the back. That way, we get a successor to the Capri with all it's Brooklands 280, Tickford Turbo & X-pack connotations and the Mustang retains all it's Bullitt, Shelby & V8 powerplant connotations and is not sullied by another 4-pot variant. Branding is very important, Ford missed a trick here.
SevenR said:
I'm still wondering why for a brand new, latest tech engine the V8 is so rubbish on mpg? My old 2005 S4 used to get near what the Mustang does.
Primarily, it will probably be because they haven't tailored it to the NEDC test. Real-world figures will probably be on a par with other modern V8s. 
Hitch said:
I agree with the poster above - as the ecoboosts drop in value they will become a fairly cheap way to get to mega power like turbo Japs of old were.
If I was buying a Mustang as a daily I'd consider this. I'm not sure anyone buys them as dailies though, all the ones I see are driven at weekends by chaps old enough to be reliving the 60s!
Oy! If I was buying a Mustang as a daily I'd consider this. I'm not sure anyone buys them as dailies though, all the ones I see are driven at weekends by chaps old enough to be reliving the 60s!
OK, I was a toddler in the 60s but I do use my V8 as a daily. Plus, I think for a V8 it's not bad on mpg. Cruise at the national limit on the motorway and I've seen 37mpg or drive it like I stole it and it's down to 12mpg.
Average in 7000 miles of driving is 21mpg. Not bad for such a fun, fast and great handling car.
Just needs a new exhaust to release a lot more of that V8 soundtrack.
Hmm. I'd have the V8 but horses for courses. And all this talk that a Mustang must have a V8. A large percentage of all the Mustangs ever built are 6's and the reason we don't get the 6 cylinder offering is that it is weedier than the turbo 4-pot. Good for Revo for working the niche though you have to imagine that kits made of Focus parts will be popular once the initial Ecoboosts are a bit cheaper.
Gorbyrev said:
Hmm. I'd have the V8 but horses for courses. And all this talk that a Mustang must have a V8. A large percentage of all the Mustangs ever built are 6's and the reason we don't get the 6 cylinder offering is that it is weedier than the turbo 4-pot. Good for Revo for working the niche though you have to imagine that kits made of Focus parts will be popular once the initial Ecoboosts are a bit cheaper.
Funny isn't it, it's as if every Brit on here believes that for only ever sold the GT in the US. What a long discussion chaps...so many words - so little point. Look back through Mustang models in the past and you'll find that Ford has previous form on putting underwhelming motors under the hood, so the four pot should come as no surprise.
If you really want American V8 muscle you only need three words.
Dodge. Challenger. Hellcat.
Yes, pedants - I know it's not a UK model AND you have to sit on the left to drive it AND it costs more by the time it's got to the UK, but at least your running costs would be easily worked out. 33% on fuel. 33% on tyres - and 33% on clean underpants....
If you really want American V8 muscle you only need three words.
Dodge. Challenger. Hellcat.
Yes, pedants - I know it's not a UK model AND you have to sit on the left to drive it AND it costs more by the time it's got to the UK, but at least your running costs would be easily worked out. 33% on fuel. 33% on tyres - and 33% on clean underpants....
hufggfg said:
I totally understand the point you're making, but the reality is that for a fleet "owner" (who most of the daily drivers you describe above are going to be), the RRP of the car's a irrelevant. Your fleet manager is going to give you a range of options based on leasing costs. From a very light first glance, the cost of leasing an Ecoboost Mustang is somewhere around the top end of the 4 series range (430i or 440i), and in those cars you're going to have a faster car, a better steer, a nicer place to be... in every measurable way they are going to be better cars. The trump card the Mustang has always potentially had against these cars is it's character (because of the V8), which you completely loose if you have the Ecoboost.
It's possible the numbers I've seen are way off (I only checked one website), but in fleet terms it's really 2.3 Ecoboost vs. 430i, I strongly doubt many people will be taking the Ford.
Yup, that makes sense. It's possible the numbers I've seen are way off (I only checked one website), but in fleet terms it's really 2.3 Ecoboost vs. 430i, I strongly doubt many people will be taking the Ford.
If Ford leasing matched the 318i and see its appeal in a blue collar hero sort of a way.
But up against the 340i / 440i? Yeah, you'd have to really want a Mustang to pick it as that's some seriously proven (even though some would say 'predictably boring') competition.
vz-r_dave said:
Funny isn't it, it's as if every Brit on here believes that for only ever sold the GT in the US.
Funny thing, on spending a several weeks in LA earlier in the year was that the majority of Camaros, Challengers and Mustangs on the freeways were the smaller engine versions along with loads of electric, Japanese and Korean cars. Very different to when I first visited in '92 .
Gorbyrev said:
Hmm. I'd have the V8 but horses for courses. And all this talk that a Mustang must have a V8. A large percentage of all the Mustangs ever built are 6's and the reason we don't get the 6 cylinder offering is that it is weedier than the turbo 4-pot. Good for Revo for working the niche though you have to imagine that kits made of Focus parts will be popular once the initial Ecoboosts are a bit cheaper.
V6 makes tha same power, I'd rather the V6 than the 2.3 but totally get the reason for not bringing it here, the V8 and Inline 4 offer totally different sides, V8 character, The 4 more money in your pocket. The V6 was not needed as cost would have been far closer to the V8 in terms of tax etc
croyde said:
Funny thing, on spending a several weeks in LA earlier in the year was that the majority of Camaros, Challengers and Mustangs on the freeways were the smaller engine versions along with loads of electric, Japanese and Korean cars.
Very different to when I first visited in '92 .
O/T, but Oz similarly disappoints me. Very different to when I first visited in '92 .
Back when I first went in the mid-90s, I remember nearly everything being a woofly V8 large saloon or estate.
Now it seems full or 4-cyl washing machines with the occasional enthusiast flying the flag. Just like an Euro-city really...
I'm going to buck the trend a little and say that, for me, the Ecoboost is the Mustang I am (was?) most interested in.
I'd be looking for it as a cool daily car, that is still fun, and can take (maybe) 3-4 people. I already have a special weekend car, and for me, the Mustang doesn't compete.
So, cheaper purchase and running costs and decent MPG make sense. This is a Ford, not a Ferrari. It should be bought and used, often. It's not a car to be stuck in a garage only to be brought out when the sun is shining..
The trick missed by Ford for me is that, from what I've read, the 4-pot simply isn't all that economical - or the V8 isn't that bad, not sure which?
That said, I'm currently communing in a Porsche 944 S2, which probably uses as much fuel as the V8
I'd be looking for it as a cool daily car, that is still fun, and can take (maybe) 3-4 people. I already have a special weekend car, and for me, the Mustang doesn't compete.
So, cheaper purchase and running costs and decent MPG make sense. This is a Ford, not a Ferrari. It should be bought and used, often. It's not a car to be stuck in a garage only to be brought out when the sun is shining..
The trick missed by Ford for me is that, from what I've read, the 4-pot simply isn't all that economical - or the V8 isn't that bad, not sure which?
That said, I'm currently communing in a Porsche 944 S2, which probably uses as much fuel as the V8
irocfan said:
vz-r_dave said:
Funny isn't it, it's as if every Brit on here believes that for only ever sold the GT in the US.
far from it - but then look at the majority of (pre-2015) Mustangs over here...As they are not available here some people imported, which is a fair amount of faff likely to be done by someone who really wanted and loved the mustang hence its the V8's that came over.
In the uk we've grown up with the mustang we've seen on tv and heard in movies so it's no surprise to me at all everyone wants the V8.
In America they've grown up with the actual car, it's not even the first time the car has had an inline 4 turbo, although the last turbo was nothing to write home about IMO
Personally I'd prefer the V8 to me it embodies what the car is all about, Having said that I'd still be open to a six cylinder car it might not be as sexy as the V8 but it's still an engine that pays homage to the original template and it would still sound nice and rev smoothly.
From an emotional perspective i can't get my head around the 4, it won't come close to the sound of the 6 let alone the 8, but I can see why they bought it over as its a clear alternative to the V8 on tax, petrol costs grounds which the 6 just would'nt have been
Matt UK said:
But as a daily driver doing 20k miles a year (where s spreadsheet normally resides) would it be this or a 320i coupe / Audi A5 2.0t? I think when compared against these options on a company car list (where for most a V8 of any description wouldn't even feature) it could look rather more relevant, dare I say it, attractive prospect.
It wouldn't though would it? In those circumstances your fleet manager would put you in the 320d or the A5 2.0tdi and the Ecoboost wouldn't even make it onto the list.kapiteinlangzaam said:
I think I mentioned earlier in the thread.
Anyhow SCs start from about £8k and offer 650-700bhp in the simplest/lowest tunes.
That's why I said 'small blower's because 8k can't be the opening price, surely? I can get two RB turbos for my engine for 5-7k which take it to 700. (Assuming no labour on either).Anyhow SCs start from about £8k and offer 650-700bhp in the simplest/lowest tunes.
I expected a starter bolt on kit for 5k tops.
chrispj said:
Matt UK said:
But as a daily driver doing 20k miles a year (where s spreadsheet normally resides) would it be this or a 320i coupe / Audi A5 2.0t? I think when compared against these options on a company car list (where for most a V8 of any description wouldn't even feature) it could look rather more relevant, dare I say it, attractive prospect.
It wouldn't though would it? In those circumstances your fleet manager would put you in the 320d or the A5 2.0tdi and the Ecoboost wouldn't even make it onto the list.
stuart-b said:
kapiteinlangzaam said:
I think I mentioned earlier in the thread.
Anyhow SCs start from about £8k and offer 650-700bhp in the simplest/lowest tunes.
That's why I said 'small blower's because 8k can't be the opening price, surely? I can get two RB turbos for my engine for 5-7k which take it to 700. (Assuming no labour on either).Anyhow SCs start from about £8k and offer 650-700bhp in the simplest/lowest tunes.
I expected a starter bolt on kit for 5k tops.
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