RE: Ferrari 488 Spider: UK Review
Discussion
Durzel said:
Despite Rambo's unending rhetoric I remain unconvinced that the presence of a carbon tub is the be all and end all in a convertible supercar. I'd venture that most actual owners would never exploit the car to the level where it would actually be noticeable, nor would it actually form a significant part of their purchasing criteria.
The heart wants what the heart wants, whether that be Ferrari, Lamborghini, McLaren, etc.. no one needs any of these cars, lest we forget.
Did you miss this part of the article?The heart wants what the heart wants, whether that be Ferrari, Lamborghini, McLaren, etc.. no one needs any of these cars, lest we forget.
'The creaks, tremors and wobbles that were so tricky to uncover back then rear their ugly heads at much lower commitment levels now, the steering column in particular suffering for a lack of rigidity. It's bizarre given how convincing the car felt then, plus Ferrari's claim that the car has identical torsional stiffness to the GTB. Smaller bumps are typically dealt with by the very clever magneto-rheological dampers, but larger imperfections or successive bumps see you backing off as the body doesn't feel able to keep pace'
It clearly is noticeable.
I agree most owners won't be pushing these to the limit but the fact remains that this cars main competitor doesn't suffer the same issues.
You don't have to be pushing the car hard to notice it but agree most people wouldn't pick it up unless they had driven a carbon tubbed McLaren spider to compare it with, when the big difference is very apparent.
I've had 2 Ferrari spiders and enjoyed / loved them at the time, despite the frustration with shake, rattle and roll but I would not go back to one now having experienced the difference with the McLaren.
In coupe form It would be a close call and personal preference between the 488 GTB and the 650 S coupe but as a spider the McLaren wins hands down for me
I've had 2 Ferrari spiders and enjoyed / loved them at the time, despite the frustration with shake, rattle and roll but I would not go back to one now having experienced the difference with the McLaren.
In coupe form It would be a close call and personal preference between the 488 GTB and the 650 S coupe but as a spider the McLaren wins hands down for me
Durzel said:
Despite Rambo's unending rhetoric I remain unconvinced that the presence of a carbon tub is the be all and end all in a convertible supercar. I'd venture that most actual owners would never exploit the car to the level where it would actually be noticeable, nor would it actually form a significant part of their purchasing criteria.
The heart wants what the heart wants, whether that be Ferrari, Lamborghini, McLaren, etc.. no one needs any of these cars, lest we forget.
I'm not entirely convinced by your argument. My heart wanted a Huracan but after driving a 650 Spider and getting first hand experience of it's stability I went with that. The fact that it's basically 2 cars without compromising on performance is a big plus.The heart wants what the heart wants, whether that be Ferrari, Lamborghini, McLaren, etc.. no one needs any of these cars, lest we forget.
I have since pushed the car into the "Tub Zone" many times and I'm sure more owners do than you might think. Supercar ownership can't be judged by the Sloane Street idiots alone.
I do love Ferrari, will probably have another at some point but the 488 Spider wouldn't be it.
It sits far too high, the whole car needs to drop about 20mm all round. My old 330ci has better standard ride height than this thing!
Or perhaps not drop the ride height but at least design it to the make wheels fill the arches
Or perhaps not drop the ride height but at least design it to the make wheels fill the arches
Edited by downhillmalins on Thursday 27th October 13:28
Edited by downhillmalins on Thursday 27th October 13:32
Raudus42 said:
Nice - but as mentioned already...£78k for make-up??? That's leg-lifting of the highest order.
I'd love to walk into a dealership and place an order for one with no options just to see the salesman's face. And ask for a discount. Then ask them to supply all those bits non fitted to the car so you can get them dipped for about £400.
It's a lot of money for options isn't it. One way of going about this is to buy a low mileage one at 2 years old and, whilst it will have held its value better than most cars, you should be able to get the options for free. Non-limited edition Ferraris do depreciate, before going up again when they get older. I'd love to walk into a dealership and place an order for one with no options just to see the salesman's face. And ask for a discount. Then ask them to supply all those bits non fitted to the car so you can get them dipped for about £400.
Edited by Raudus42 on Wednesday 26th October 14:41
TaylotS2K said:
It's certainly no Huracan in the looks department is it?
It's a better Ferrari than the Huracan is a Lamborghini. Ferrari are all about making stylish super sports cars and that is exactly what this is. Lamborghini are all about making extreme cars, statement cars. The Huracan is not that. It is a car using R8 components designed to look like an Aventador, whilst trying to be a more practical size. Hardly a Veneno or Reventon.Edited by myhandle on Thursday 27th October 13:35
myhandle said:
TaylotS2K said:
It's certainly no Huracan in the looks department is it?
It's a better Ferrari than the Huracan is a Lamborghini. Ferrari are all about making stylish super sports cars and that is exactly what this is. Lamborghini are all about making extreme cars, statement cars. The Huracan is not that. It is a car using R8 components designed to look like an Aventador, whilst trying to be a more practical size. Hardly a Veneno or Reventon.Edited by myhandle on Thursday 27th October 13:35
downhillmalins said:
It sits far too high, the whole car needs to drop about 20mm all round. My old 330ci has better standard ride height than this thing!
Or perhaps not drop the ride height but at least design it to the make wheels fill the arches
Yep sadly the ride height on Ferrari customers cars is way too high. Press cars are lower and media pictures are doctored to look better. Not sure if that picture is representative of how high some actual customers cars are Or perhaps not drop the ride height but at least design it to the make wheels fill the arches
Edited by downhillmalins on Thursday 27th October 13:28
Edited by downhillmalins on Thursday 27th October 13:32
RamboLambo said:
downhillmalins said:
It sits far too high, the whole car needs to drop about 20mm all round. My old 330ci has better standard ride height than this thing!
Or perhaps not drop the ride height but at least design it to the make wheels fill the arches
Yep sadly the ride height on Ferrari customers cars is way too high. Press cars are lower and media pictures are doctored to look better. Not sure if that picture is representative of how high some actual customers cars are Or perhaps not drop the ride height but at least design it to the make wheels fill the arches
Edited by downhillmalins on Thursday 27th October 13:28
Edited by downhillmalins on Thursday 27th October 13:32
br d said:
myhandle said:
TaylotS2K said:
It's certainly no Huracan in the looks department is it?
It's a better Ferrari than the Huracan is a Lamborghini. Ferrari are all about making stylish super sports cars and that is exactly what this is. Lamborghini are all about making extreme cars, statement cars. The Huracan is not that. It is a car using R8 components designed to look like an Aventador, whilst trying to be a more practical size. Hardly a Veneno or Reventon.Edited by myhandle on Thursday 27th October 13:35
Off-topic, but hope all things are OK with you br d, and glad you're still enjoying the 650S!
Davey S2 said:
Durzel said:
Despite Rambo's unending rhetoric I remain unconvinced that the presence of a carbon tub is the be all and end all in a convertible supercar. I'd venture that most actual owners would never exploit the car to the level where it would actually be noticeable, nor would it actually form a significant part of their purchasing criteria.
The heart wants what the heart wants, whether that be Ferrari, Lamborghini, McLaren, etc.. no one needs any of these cars, lest we forget.
Did you miss this part of the article?The heart wants what the heart wants, whether that be Ferrari, Lamborghini, McLaren, etc.. no one needs any of these cars, lest we forget.
'The creaks, tremors and wobbles that were so tricky to uncover back then rear their ugly heads at much lower commitment levels now, the steering column in particular suffering for a lack of rigidity. It's bizarre given how convincing the car felt then, plus Ferrari's claim that the car has identical torsional stiffness to the GTB. Smaller bumps are typically dealt with by the very clever magneto-rheological dampers, but larger imperfections or successive bumps see you backing off as the body doesn't feel able to keep pace'
It clearly is noticeable.
I agree most owners won't be pushing these to the limit but the fact remains that this cars main competitor doesn't suffer the same issues.
GranCab said:
McLaren ride height looks about the same to me ... but then I'm not biased in any way ....
Like I say Ferrari press cars are lowered and not the same as customer production cars.On the other hand that McLaren looks spot on to me with the wheel arch exactly mirroring the wheel.
2 of my regular production Ferrari's were at least 30 mm too high from standard but my 430 Scuderia was spot on.
My 650S spider could be a fraction lower for the really mean look but even with the fr/rr axle lift activitated ( + min 5 cm ) it looks as good as a standard 458/488
Obviously it can be sorted relatively easy but as at cost and hassle and no doubt voiding the manufacturers warranty
RamboLambo said:
Like I say Ferrari press cars are lowered and not the same as customer production cars.
Can you prove that ? I'm surprised you haven't mention how many extra BHP the press Ferraris have too ...p.s. the plural of Ferrari is Ferraris.
The apostrophe would be used if you were talking about an aspect or component of said car making the word Ferrari into a possessive noun e.g. the Ferrari's ride height.
Durzel said:
Despite Rambo's unending rhetoric I remain unconvinced that the presence of a carbon tub is the be all and end all in a convertible supercar. I'd venture that most actual owners would never exploit the car to the level where it would actually be noticeable, nor would it actually form a significant part of their purchasing criteria.
The heart wants what the heart wants, whether that be Ferrari, Lamborghini, McLaren, etc.. no one needs any of these cars, lest we forget.
Just have to make a comment on this belief that owners of Ferraris don't push them.The heart wants what the heart wants, whether that be Ferrari, Lamborghini, McLaren, etc.. no one needs any of these cars, lest we forget.
I certainly did with mine - and so did every other owner I met.
For future reference, people who buy Ferraris like to drive fast. They are not some kind of weird thing that just wants to look good.
Oh.. and mine did wobble, true. Still went like a bat out of hell on British roads though. Bigger problem was the antisocial level of noise from the exhaust
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