RE: Lotus Evora Sport 410: Review
Discussion
Matt,
Great article and completely agree with the point on the value proposition as it is now an even better alternative to a Porsche, and one you can actually purchase without paying a stupid premium.
You didn't talk about the noise this thing makes which is arguably the best V6 exhaust noise ever put into a production car. However, I want to know if you can clarify something as one thing holding me back is how loud it is for the track. The standard 400 was tested static at Snetterton at over 115db which means you basically cannot take the standard 400 onto any track in the UK unless you weld in a silencer in the factory exhaust system!
From what I understand, Lotus is looking to address this issue and is working on a track compliant exhaust (presumably 105db or less) to allow an owner to participate in track days around the world that have noise restrictions.
Do you know if the Lotus Evora 410 exhaust, whether it be the optional Janspeed system or the stock one, has been revised to be a bit quieter so the car can actually be used at a track day? If not, are you able to ask Lotus for any further information on the development of a revised system that will be track compliant in the UK and abroad?
This is a huge sticking point for me and I'm sure other owners that will actually want to take this car to track days around the UK, Belgium, Italy, etc.
Thanks.
Great article and completely agree with the point on the value proposition as it is now an even better alternative to a Porsche, and one you can actually purchase without paying a stupid premium.
You didn't talk about the noise this thing makes which is arguably the best V6 exhaust noise ever put into a production car. However, I want to know if you can clarify something as one thing holding me back is how loud it is for the track. The standard 400 was tested static at Snetterton at over 115db which means you basically cannot take the standard 400 onto any track in the UK unless you weld in a silencer in the factory exhaust system!
From what I understand, Lotus is looking to address this issue and is working on a track compliant exhaust (presumably 105db or less) to allow an owner to participate in track days around the world that have noise restrictions.
Do you know if the Lotus Evora 410 exhaust, whether it be the optional Janspeed system or the stock one, has been revised to be a bit quieter so the car can actually be used at a track day? If not, are you able to ask Lotus for any further information on the development of a revised system that will be track compliant in the UK and abroad?
This is a huge sticking point for me and I'm sure other owners that will actually want to take this car to track days around the UK, Belgium, Italy, etc.
Thanks.
cib24 said:
The standard 400 was tested static at Snetterton at over 115db which means you basically cannot take the standard 400 onto any track in the UK unless you weld in a silencer in the factory exhaust system!
Surely the 115db reading is with the switch on though? If its switched off it sounded relatively docile on the roads?cib24 said:
Matt,
Great article and completely agree with the point on the value proposition as it is now an even better alternative to a Porsche, and one you can actually purchase without paying a stupid premium.
You didn't talk about the noise this thing makes which is arguably the best V6 exhaust noise ever put into a production car. However, I want to know if you can clarify something as one thing holding me back is how loud it is for the track. The standard 400 was tested static at Snetterton at over 115db which means you basically cannot take the standard 400 onto any track in the UK unless you weld in a silencer in the factory exhaust system!
From what I understand, Lotus is looking to address this issue and is working on a track compliant exhaust (presumably 105db or less) to allow an owner to participate in track days around the world that have noise restrictions.
Do you know if the Lotus Evora 410 exhaust, whether it be the optional Janspeed system or the stock one, has been revised to be a bit quieter so the car can actually be used at a track day? If not, are you able to ask Lotus for any further information on the development of a revised system that will be track compliant in the UK and abroad?
This is a huge sticking point for me and I'm sure other owners that will actually want to take this car to track days around the UK, Belgium, Italy, etc.
Thanks.
Bell and Colvill are probably the people to speak to. They're the top Lotus dealer in the country and often get involved with projects like that. I believe they've worked with Lotus and other companies to make exhausts for customers' cars before. Jamie Matthews in sales is the guy to speak to.Great article and completely agree with the point on the value proposition as it is now an even better alternative to a Porsche, and one you can actually purchase without paying a stupid premium.
You didn't talk about the noise this thing makes which is arguably the best V6 exhaust noise ever put into a production car. However, I want to know if you can clarify something as one thing holding me back is how loud it is for the track. The standard 400 was tested static at Snetterton at over 115db which means you basically cannot take the standard 400 onto any track in the UK unless you weld in a silencer in the factory exhaust system!
From what I understand, Lotus is looking to address this issue and is working on a track compliant exhaust (presumably 105db or less) to allow an owner to participate in track days around the world that have noise restrictions.
Do you know if the Lotus Evora 410 exhaust, whether it be the optional Janspeed system or the stock one, has been revised to be a bit quieter so the car can actually be used at a track day? If not, are you able to ask Lotus for any further information on the development of a revised system that will be track compliant in the UK and abroad?
This is a huge sticking point for me and I'm sure other owners that will actually want to take this car to track days around the UK, Belgium, Italy, etc.
Thanks.
Shnozz said:
Surely the 115db reading is with the switch on though? If its switched off it sounded relatively docile on the roads?
The switch only works up to 4,500 RPM and then it opens regardless of the setting you have chosen in the car (valve open or closed), apparently to ensure enough flow for the exhaust system and to achieve the full power at high revs. A static test requires you to test at about 5,000 RPM on this car so there is no way to pass unless you could modify when the valve opens automatically. In addition, the car is likely far too loud to pass the stricter drive-by tests at tracks which are often the ones triggered by cars that just pass the static test.
Edited by cib24 on Tuesday 1st November 13:41
RobM77 said:
cib24 said:
Matt,
Great article and completely agree with the point on the value proposition as it is now an even better alternative to a Porsche, and one you can actually purchase without paying a stupid premium.
You didn't talk about the noise this thing makes which is arguably the best V6 exhaust noise ever put into a production car. However, I want to know if you can clarify something as one thing holding me back is how loud it is for the track. The standard 400 was tested static at Snetterton at over 115db which means you basically cannot take the standard 400 onto any track in the UK unless you weld in a silencer in the factory exhaust system!
From what I understand, Lotus is looking to address this issue and is working on a track compliant exhaust (presumably 105db or less) to allow an owner to participate in track days around the world that have noise restrictions.
Do you know if the Lotus Evora 410 exhaust, whether it be the optional Janspeed system or the stock one, has been revised to be a bit quieter so the car can actually be used at a track day? If not, are you able to ask Lotus for any further information on the development of a revised system that will be track compliant in the UK and abroad?
This is a huge sticking point for me and I'm sure other owners that will actually want to take this car to track days around the UK, Belgium, Italy, etc.
Thanks.
Bell and Colvill are probably the people to speak to. They're the top Lotus dealer in the country and often get involved with projects like that. I believe they've worked with Lotus and other companies to make exhausts for customers' cars before. Jamie Matthews in sales is the guy to speak to.Great article and completely agree with the point on the value proposition as it is now an even better alternative to a Porsche, and one you can actually purchase without paying a stupid premium.
You didn't talk about the noise this thing makes which is arguably the best V6 exhaust noise ever put into a production car. However, I want to know if you can clarify something as one thing holding me back is how loud it is for the track. The standard 400 was tested static at Snetterton at over 115db which means you basically cannot take the standard 400 onto any track in the UK unless you weld in a silencer in the factory exhaust system!
From what I understand, Lotus is looking to address this issue and is working on a track compliant exhaust (presumably 105db or less) to allow an owner to participate in track days around the world that have noise restrictions.
Do you know if the Lotus Evora 410 exhaust, whether it be the optional Janspeed system or the stock one, has been revised to be a bit quieter so the car can actually be used at a track day? If not, are you able to ask Lotus for any further information on the development of a revised system that will be track compliant in the UK and abroad?
This is a huge sticking point for me and I'm sure other owners that will actually want to take this car to track days around the UK, Belgium, Italy, etc.
Thanks.
cib24 said:
Shnozz said:
Surely the 115db reading is with the switch on though? If its switched off it sounded relatively docile on the roads?
The switch only works up to 4,500 RPM and then it opens regardless of the setting you have chosen in the car (valve open or closed), apparently to ensure enough flow for the exhaust system and to achieve the full power at high revs. A static test requires you to test at about 5,000 RPM on this car so there is no way to pass unless you could modify when the valve opens automatically. In addition, the car is likely far too loud to pass the stricter drive-by tests at tracks which are often the ones triggered by cars that just pass the static test.
Edited by cib24 on Tuesday 1st November 13:41
Fish said:
Shnozz said:
I didn't realise that. Interesting stuff and, as you identify, a bit limiting for a car that should be seeing the track to explore potential.
I got black flagged in my GT4 at Donnington so it is becoming a bigger problem...cypriot said:
this is the thread you need to read: https://www.thelotusforums.com/forums/topic/85112-...
Thanks. Based on that thread it looks like they are working on a system that will work for the 3-Eleven and the Lotus 400/410 but there is not ETA as to when that will be complete. I suppose a temporary fix is to insert something like this into the tail pipe but it's annoying that they haven't considered this from the factory, but I guess other brands, i.e. Porsche, Lamborghini, etc. are guilty of it as well.
It would be nice if the Evora had 3 sound settings, quiet, track, and straight pipes (the last being basically what the loud setting is right now on the car).
http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/motorsport/universal...
Edited by cib24 on Tuesday 1st November 14:23
Fish said:
Shnozz said:
I didn't realise that. Interesting stuff and, as you identify, a bit limiting for a car that should be seeing the track to explore potential.
I got black flagged in my GT4 at Donnington so it is becoming a bigger problem...
t mate, forgot to get back to you re that day at Donny - would have joined you if I could.Will get a date sorted with you soon I promise. Apologies for being rubbish!
cib24 said:
Matt,
Great article and completely agree with the point on the value proposition as it is now an even better alternative to a Porsche, and one you can actually purchase without paying a stupid premium.
You didn't talk about the noise this thing makes which is arguably the best V6 exhaust noise ever put into a production car. However, I want to know if you can clarify something as one thing holding me back is how loud it is for the track. The standard 400 was tested static at Snetterton at over 115db which means you basically cannot take the standard 400 onto any track in the UK unless you weld in a silencer in the factory exhaust system!
From what I understand, Lotus is looking to address this issue and is working on a track compliant exhaust (presumably 105db or less) to allow an owner to participate in track days around the world that have noise restrictions.
Do you know if the Lotus Evora 410 exhaust, whether it be the optional Janspeed system or the stock one, has been revised to be a bit quieter so the car can actually be used at a track day? If not, are you able to ask Lotus for any further information on the development of a revised system that will be track compliant in the UK and abroad?
This is a huge sticking point for me and I'm sure other owners that will actually want to take this car to track days around the UK, Belgium, Italy, etc.
Thanks.
Hello!Great article and completely agree with the point on the value proposition as it is now an even better alternative to a Porsche, and one you can actually purchase without paying a stupid premium.
You didn't talk about the noise this thing makes which is arguably the best V6 exhaust noise ever put into a production car. However, I want to know if you can clarify something as one thing holding me back is how loud it is for the track. The standard 400 was tested static at Snetterton at over 115db which means you basically cannot take the standard 400 onto any track in the UK unless you weld in a silencer in the factory exhaust system!
From what I understand, Lotus is looking to address this issue and is working on a track compliant exhaust (presumably 105db or less) to allow an owner to participate in track days around the world that have noise restrictions.
Do you know if the Lotus Evora 410 exhaust, whether it be the optional Janspeed system or the stock one, has been revised to be a bit quieter so the car can actually be used at a track day? If not, are you able to ask Lotus for any further information on the development of a revised system that will be track compliant in the UK and abroad?
This is a huge sticking point for me and I'm sure other owners that will actually want to take this car to track days around the UK, Belgium, Italy, etc.
Thanks.
Very good point, it does sound fantastic! I'd have probably wittered on even longer with that though, so I cut it...
Only the track car was fitted with the Janspeed, the road cars were on the standard exhaust and did feature an exhaust button on the dash that seemed to quieten it down. Sorry for not covering it in the story. I'll give Lotus a ring and now and send you a DM.
Cheers!
Matt
Cold said:
£82k seems almost reasonable for a car with this performance and capabilities.
An interesting fact I read in one of the other reviews of the 410 is that one would have to get a Porsche Turbo to get a faster Porsche than the 410. this puts its value proposition into perspective i think.
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