RE: Ford Focus RS Mk2: PH Heroes
Discussion
I still prefer the looks and appeal of the mk1. I still think the first Focus is the best of the lot, considered against it's contemporaries. Forgetting the slightly iffy interior (those striped Sparco seats...), the mk1 RS looks so fresh.
But I'd have a Sierra Cosworth of any variety before a Focus, I think.
But I'd have a Sierra Cosworth of any variety before a Focus, I think.
Total tosh, there's no pedigree in these, competition or otherwise, and as to being 'worth' £25k or whatever, as others have stated this is RSOC members and RS Direct artificially talking them up.
Always remeber pulling into an RSOC regional meet in my minuscule miles Sierra RS500.
Some turd had a just-released Focus RS500 (what a Joke, trading on the real RS500s name) and the cognoscenti and yoofs were all gathered soporific ally staring into the engine bay whilst holding their collective crotches.
As I rolled to a standstill 50yds away I heard someone say "Now mate, THATS a proper RS500" as they all flocked over to my car, leaving afore-mentioned Focus owner looking embarrassed, annoyed, and jealous in equal parts.
I must admit to actually quite liking these, but. And it's a big but, I would want one in absolutely bog-standard condition and in mint condition with low miles to pay anywhere near £25k, let alone £20k.
I could think of many cars that I'd rather have for that money, either because they're a better drive or they have better investment potential. Of course, RS Focus owners will no doubt shout me down, perish the thought that someone may not agree with their overinflated opinion of their cars values....
Always remeber pulling into an RSOC regional meet in my minuscule miles Sierra RS500.
Some turd had a just-released Focus RS500 (what a Joke, trading on the real RS500s name) and the cognoscenti and yoofs were all gathered soporific ally staring into the engine bay whilst holding their collective crotches.
As I rolled to a standstill 50yds away I heard someone say "Now mate, THATS a proper RS500" as they all flocked over to my car, leaving afore-mentioned Focus owner looking embarrassed, annoyed, and jealous in equal parts.
I must admit to actually quite liking these, but. And it's a big but, I would want one in absolutely bog-standard condition and in mint condition with low miles to pay anywhere near £25k, let alone £20k.
I could think of many cars that I'd rather have for that money, either because they're a better drive or they have better investment potential. Of course, RS Focus owners will no doubt shout me down, perish the thought that someone may not agree with their overinflated opinion of their cars values....
Saw a autocar video. Renault Clio 200 vs focus rs. The Clio out handled the ford on the bends nearly went in the back of the focus rs on a few occasions. If cosworth had a part in the engine development that might justify the fan base and silly prices. M3 or focus with a Volvo engine 🤔
SidewaysSi said:
RamboLambo said:
Its a true enthusiasts car and a legend. Those that don't get it, never will but if you have petrol in your blood you will understand and no doubt really want one.
As regards values I recently turned down a genuine bid of £27k for my concours low mileage MR375 Clubsport (full mountune spec )and prices are only going to go up as it becomes a collectors car.
Just look at Escort and Sierra Cosworth prices at £50k.
A good Mk II Focus RS will command similar money in 10 years time
I have petrol in my blood. I understand. But I have no interest in them whatsoever. Much better cars out there for similar money.As regards values I recently turned down a genuine bid of £27k for my concours low mileage MR375 Clubsport (full mountune spec )and prices are only going to go up as it becomes a collectors car.
Just look at Escort and Sierra Cosworth prices at £50k.
A good Mk II Focus RS will command similar money in 10 years time
RamboLambo said:
SidewaysSi said:
I have petrol in my blood. I understand. But I have no interest in them whatsoever. Much better cars out there for similar money.
Sorry failed - not a true petrolhead Iceicebaby1980 said:
Saw a autocar video. Renault Clio 200 vs focus rs. The Clio out handled the ford on the bends nearly went in the back of the focus rs on a few occasions. If cosworth had a part in the engine development that might justify the fan base and silly prices. M3 or focus with a Volvo engine ??
For 5k, you can put the megane engine in the Clio and tune it to 300/300, no doubt helping the Clio stick to the back of the RS on the straights too. But the sound from that I5 is just something else Saw an orange Mk2 this morning. So much road presence for so little money. Arguably, right now, the best "blue collar" car for the UK market this century. The Mk3 hype is way, way overdone -- but the Mk2 remains an impactful car. Great design, nippy and tunable engine, decent handling, etc.
kmack said:
SidewaysSi said:
RamboLambo said:
Its a true enthusiasts car and a legend. Those that don't get it, never will but if you have petrol in your blood you will understand and no doubt really want one.
As regards values I recently turned down a genuine bid of £27k for my concours low mileage MR375 Clubsport (full mountune spec )and prices are only going to go up as it becomes a collectors car.
Just look at Escort and Sierra Cosworth prices at £50k.
A good Mk II Focus RS will command similar money in 10 years time
I have petrol in my blood. I understand. But I have no interest in them whatsoever. Much better cars out there for similar money.As regards values I recently turned down a genuine bid of £27k for my concours low mileage MR375 Clubsport (full mountune spec )and prices are only going to go up as it becomes a collectors car.
Just look at Escort and Sierra Cosworth prices at £50k.
A good Mk II Focus RS will command similar money in 10 years time
50k is a lot of money, even with the current sky high classic prices, I can't recall seeing any FWD cars consistently making that sort of money, things might be different in the future I guess but saying MK2 prices will hit that in 10 years is a big ask, how much are MK I cars going for ?
Standard Car in white without Dynamica seat upgrade £30k
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...
Say what you like these are the sort of prices a good car is commanding because they have a cult following
Low Mileage Mark I Focus RS £37k
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...
Lots of ropey cars out there, but genuine low mileage cars in good condition are hard to find and are becoming rarer by the day. These will always sell for a premium
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...
Say what you like these are the sort of prices a good car is commanding because they have a cult following
Low Mileage Mark I Focus RS £37k
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/f...
Lots of ropey cars out there, but genuine low mileage cars in good condition are hard to find and are becoming rarer by the day. These will always sell for a premium
Edited by RamboLambo on Sunday 20th November 22:07
Butter Face said:
I have to agree, a chap I know has just bought an Ultimate Green Mk2 for 20k+ and could have had for the same money, at the same garage, a V8 M3 (in yellow) that was newer and undoubtedly a better drive.
The prices are being kept high by Ford nuts and their notalgia IMO.
Also, Revoknuckle 'innovative'? Renault had the Perfohub at the same time!
Toyota had revoknuckle and perfohub beat by 15+ years with superstrut.The prices are being kept high by Ford nuts and their notalgia IMO.
Also, Revoknuckle 'innovative'? Renault had the Perfohub at the same time!
Crafty_ said:
Rather gaudy looking things that apparently never really worked properly (many had very long stays in dealerships for issues, as I understand it complex electronics that limited power in certain scenarios), worshiped purely because of an RS badge by fast ford lovers. Seeming loved here on a financial basis.
Mine has eaten a air intake sensor and a battery in seven years.vanschpunk said:
No they arent!!! Prices artificially held high by the likes of RS Direct, to keep their business growing/afloat. And in turn, the market for them stays high!! They mouthed off that the mk3 FRS wasnt a true Rs and a heap of turd blablabla....and look they are at it with the Mk3 FRS.
Anyone who thinks a 6/7yr old Focus is worth more than a 6/7yr old BMW M3, needs their fking heads looked at!!
Yes you could get a V8 M3 for 20k but it's not a limited numbers car with a load of work carried out at the factory so of course the depreciation will be worse the mainstream car, you need to compare apples with apples.Anyone who thinks a 6/7yr old Focus is worth more than a 6/7yr old BMW M3, needs their fking heads looked at!!
An example of this can be seen in the prices of CSL E46's & the M3 GTS Cayman R's etc with Golf Clubsport S's are trading at 45k I don't see that trend ending soon & let's not bring Porsche GT3/4 prices into things.
CSL
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
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