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jas xjr said:
with regards to the lack of performance on the jaguar . i may have dreamed it but jaguars of this era , certainly my old xjr , have an ecu that learns your driving style. so you may need to disconnect the battery to reset this. having made sure you have the radio code to hand.
it may be an urban myth , my memory is not the best. i am sure somebody more knowledgeable can put us straight.
Thanks. I don't actually think the XJ8 is slow - it's about on par with the 4.2 v8 a8 I had. The SL just feels a lot stronger! it may be an urban myth , my memory is not the best. i am sure somebody more knowledgeable can put us straight.
The XJ8 is a lovely thing - purring around town, then shrinking around you when you want it to.
Lowtimer said:
0a said:
The SL is now out and about with the hardtop off. Aside from a dodgy back window and the chav exhaust it's in good health. It's miles quicker than the jag which I am surprised at given the marginal power advantage and similar weight.
It is reasonable to assume that the 5.0 M119 produces more power than it is claimed to. There's no other reason for the well documented fact, repeated in many road tests carried out in different places at different times over the years, that an early R129 500SL keeps up with a 928S4.The Porsche and Mercedes use the same auto transmission, are on very similar wheels and tyres, and are the same sort of size and drag coefficient. The Porsche nominally has almost identical same power (320 hp) from its own 5.0 V8, but is a hefty 330 kg lighter (1550 kg plays 1890 kg, the Merc being weighed down by the convertible body reinforcement and all the electro-hydraulics). That is a terrific weight difference.
The Merc must produce more power than the Porsche. Based on the near identical acceleration numbers, I think the Merc is about 380 hp. Either that or the Porsche is only about 265, which seems unlikely given that it hits a top speed of 170.
0a said:
I am fond of the 75, and like the concept but have 2 issues with it:
1. I tried to persuade a friend to buy one a few years ago. We want and saw 3 75s that looks good in the pictures, but all of them had major and multiple bits of trim hanging or falling off. We might have been unlucky, but I failed in my barge conversion mission and he ended up with a Mondeo - a car that just works. £800 and no trim falling off.
2. All in, purchase price, delivery and MOT bill, my Jag XJ8 was about £2k. I struggle to justify the 75 in light of this. MPG to date is 24mpg which isn't great, but I doubt the v6 75 is that much better, and in the context of running an old wafter MPG isn't a primary concern.
I agree with all of that. Two further advantages of the 75, which will not interest some people but may be highly signficant to others, are that you can get it as an estate, and that it is significantly more compact externally, so actually fits in most garages, where as an XJ40 derivative doesn't, let alone one of the more modern XJs. 1. I tried to persuade a friend to buy one a few years ago. We want and saw 3 75s that looks good in the pictures, but all of them had major and multiple bits of trim hanging or falling off. We might have been unlucky, but I failed in my barge conversion mission and he ended up with a Mondeo - a car that just works. £800 and no trim falling off.
2. All in, purchase price, delivery and MOT bill, my Jag XJ8 was about £2k. I struggle to justify the 75 in light of this. MPG to date is 24mpg which isn't great, but I doubt the v6 75 is that much better, and in the context of running an old wafter MPG isn't a primary concern.
0a said:
Lowtimer said:
0a said:
The SL is now out and about with the hardtop off. Aside from a dodgy back window and the chav exhaust it's in good health. It's miles quicker than the jag which I am surprised at given the marginal power advantage and similar weight.
It is reasonable to assume that the 5.0 M119 produces more power than it is claimed to. There's no other reason for the well documented fact, repeated in many road tests carried out in different places at different times over the years, that an early R129 500SL keeps up with a 928S4.The Porsche and Mercedes use the same auto transmission, are on very similar wheels and tyres, and are the same sort of size and drag coefficient. The Porsche nominally has almost identical same power (320 hp) from its own 5.0 V8, but is a hefty 330 kg lighter (1550 kg plays 1890 kg, the Merc being weighed down by the convertible body reinforcement and all the electro-hydraulics). That is a terrific weight difference.
The Merc must produce more power than the Porsche. Based on the near identical acceleration numbers, I think the Merc is about 380 hp. Either that or the Porsche is only about 265, which seems unlikely given that it hits a top speed of 170.
Lowtimer said:
0a said:
I am fond of the 75, and like the concept but have 2 issues with it:
1. I tried to persuade a friend to buy one a few years ago. We want and saw 3 75s that looks good in the pictures, but all of them had major and multiple bits of trim hanging or falling off. We might have been unlucky, but I failed in my barge conversion mission and he ended up with a Mondeo - a car that just works. £800 and no trim falling off.
2. All in, purchase price, delivery and MOT bill, my Jag XJ8 was about £2k. I struggle to justify the 75 in light of this. MPG to date is 24mpg which isn't great, but I doubt the v6 75 is that much better, and in the context of running an old wafter MPG isn't a primary concern.
I agree with all of that. Two further advantages of the 75, which will not interest some people but may be highly signficant to others, are that you can get it as an estate, and that it is significantly more compact externally, so actually fits in most garages, where as an XJ40 derivative doesn't, let alone one of the more modern XJs. 1. I tried to persuade a friend to buy one a few years ago. We want and saw 3 75s that looks good in the pictures, but all of them had major and multiple bits of trim hanging or falling off. We might have been unlucky, but I failed in my barge conversion mission and he ended up with a Mondeo - a car that just works. £800 and no trim falling off.
2. All in, purchase price, delivery and MOT bill, my Jag XJ8 was about £2k. I struggle to justify the 75 in light of this. MPG to date is 24mpg which isn't great, but I doubt the v6 75 is that much better, and in the context of running an old wafter MPG isn't a primary concern.
I agree with your points though!
A PH-er showed me a link to this car at his local auction house:
http://www.mathewsons.co.uk/vehicle-auction-catalo...
I have no need for it, haven't driven it, haven't in fact even seen it. I have nowhere to park it, and sold the SEC recently because I really do have to down-size. The helpful PH-er that viewed it advised me not to bid. I go overseas on Monday until Saturday so timings aren't great, and it will be a red rag to the domestic bull. Crazy to consider a 44 year old car on a whim, obviously. Equally obviously, I've bought it.
Below estimate, but a little above thread max. It isn't without issues, and it would undoubtedly have been sent to auction for a reason, but I've long hankered after one of these and now I can tick the box. Let's hope it isn't a financially ruinous box.
http://www.mathewsons.co.uk/vehicle-auction-catalo...
I have no need for it, haven't driven it, haven't in fact even seen it. I have nowhere to park it, and sold the SEC recently because I really do have to down-size. The helpful PH-er that viewed it advised me not to bid. I go overseas on Monday until Saturday so timings aren't great, and it will be a red rag to the domestic bull. Crazy to consider a 44 year old car on a whim, obviously. Equally obviously, I've bought it.
Below estimate, but a little above thread max. It isn't without issues, and it would undoubtedly have been sent to auction for a reason, but I've long hankered after one of these and now I can tick the box. Let's hope it isn't a financially ruinous box.
Krikkit said:
I'd say so if it looks OK on inspection.
Thanks. Going to see it tomorrow lunchtime. If its good, I'm hoping they will take a cheeky offer of £400.The owner is heading off to live in Majorca again for the summer. Said she would like to sell it. If not, she'll keep it and run it again when she returns home.
I dont think there are many people after a car like hers.
CharlesdeGaulle said:
A PH-er showed me a link to this car at his local auction house:
http://www.mathewsons.co.uk/vehicle-auction-catalo...
I have no need for it, haven't driven it, haven't in fact even seen it. I have nowhere to park it, and sold the SEC recently because I really do have to down-size. The helpful PH-er that viewed it advised me not to bid. I go overseas on Monday until Saturday so timings aren't great, and it will be a red rag to the domestic bull. Crazy to consider a 44 year old car on a whim, obviously. Equally obviously, I've bought it.
Below estimate, but a little above thread max. It isn't without issues, and it would undoubtedly have been sent to auction for a reason, but I've long hankered after one of these and now I can tick the box. Let's hope it isn't a financially ruinous box.
Fantastic work CDG. What a threadist.http://www.mathewsons.co.uk/vehicle-auction-catalo...
I have no need for it, haven't driven it, haven't in fact even seen it. I have nowhere to park it, and sold the SEC recently because I really do have to down-size. The helpful PH-er that viewed it advised me not to bid. I go overseas on Monday until Saturday so timings aren't great, and it will be a red rag to the domestic bull. Crazy to consider a 44 year old car on a whim, obviously. Equally obviously, I've bought it.
Below estimate, but a little above thread max. It isn't without issues, and it would undoubtedly have been sent to auction for a reason, but I've long hankered after one of these and now I can tick the box. Let's hope it isn't a financially ruinous box.
It is amusing when a seller claims amazement at 22mpg.
I have no doubt you will do ok out of this - normal tyres alone will add a few £k!
CharlesdeGaulle said:
I just hope that replacement tyres in old sizes don't cost me a few £k! Actually, I rather suspect that tyres will be the least of my expenditure worries, and the white walls will have to go.
You'll get something back from an eBay sale of the white-walls. I don't fully get this model compared to the A124, r129 and 560 SEC you have owned but look forward to the story!
I mean really, your r129 was so lovely, can't understand you selling it
funkyrobot said:
Krikkit said:
I'd say so if it looks OK on inspection.
Thanks. Going to see it tomorrow lunchtime. If its good, I'm hoping they will take a cheeky offer of £400.The owner is heading off to live in Majorca again for the summer. Said she would like to sell it. If not, she'll keep it and run it again when she returns home.
I dont think there are many people after a car like hers.
That ruins any idea of a test drive.
Krikkit said:
I'm not proffering an explanation of the above, but I'd be really very surprised indeed if it was making anything like 380hp - even the 5.5 litre M113 engine only officially made 360hp...
The M113 design is less focused on power than the M119, though, being optimised more for better fuel economy and lower manufacturing cost, but the whole thing does puzzle me. I really can't account for a 20% heavier Merc matching a Porsche to 100 in 14 seconds using the same transmission and rubber any other way except that it has 20% more power I accept that if the M119 5.0 numbers were lowballed by the factory than other numbers for comparable engines would have had to be lowballed too, especially that of the 6.0 AMG M119.
I would like to get mine on the same rolling road as a 928S4 on the same day and see what happens.
*thinks*
I need to buy a 928S4
Lowtimer said:
Krikkit said:
I'm not proffering an explanation of the above, but I'd be really very surprised indeed if it was making anything like 380hp - even the 5.5 litre M113 engine only officially made 360hp...
The M113 design is less focused on power than the M119, though, being optimised more for better fuel economy and lower manufacturing cost, but the whole thing does puzzle me. I really can't account for a 20% heavier Merc matching a Porsche to 100 in 14 seconds using the same transmission and rubber any other way except that it has 20% more power I accept that if the M119 5.0 numbers were lowballed by the factory than other numbers for comparable engines would have had to be lowballed too, especially that of the 6.0 AMG M119.
I would like to get mine on the same rolling road as a 928S4 on the same day and see what happens.
*thinks*
I need to buy a 928S4
Looking around I can only find figures to back up that the S4 is the quicker car - 100-200kg less weight and a slightly shorter final drive take care of that. They could also have a slightly different torque converter to alter the locking ratio etc, which would affect pick-up and acceleration from rest.
Beanbob said:
Bit on the high mileage side, but this looks quite nice at first glance:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1998-BMW-540I-AUTO-OXFOR...
Like that, even the interior. Might be on sport suspension?http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1998-BMW-540I-AUTO-OXFOR...
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