RE: Lotus Exige Sport 380: Review
Discussion
Porsche911R said:
Be a 410 CUP soon ;-)
That's the thing with Lotus, you think you are buying the best newest car and up pops another,
I know all manufacturers do it, but most give 2 to 3 years warning and you know what's coming.
IE a R, GTS, GT so you buy at the top and get to have a top of the range car for 3 years etc
Lotus kill resale and p
s off buyers due to all these cars every few months and MASSIVE DISCOUNTS.
you can see it now with the Elise Cup 220 and Elise cup 250 both on sale at the same time atm !!!
And if you ordered a Cup 220 3 months ago you would be a bit pissed off.
So expect an Exige CUP 410 in 6 weeks !
Lotus have always done it, sell you a car in the show room while they have newer cars out back.
even people who bought last years Cup 360's ended up with a poorer car at top money than a new basic Sport 350 which is lighter and faster and cheaper !
Here is another example , buy this car from Bell and colvill, it's brand new, but already old stock and outdated and more expensive and more weight than this new Sport 380 !!! but it's a brand new CUP car which is slower !!!
who is going to buy that at £68k now the new ones £67k
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/l...
disagree with lots of thing you say but this 100% right imoThat's the thing with Lotus, you think you are buying the best newest car and up pops another,
I know all manufacturers do it, but most give 2 to 3 years warning and you know what's coming.
IE a R, GTS, GT so you buy at the top and get to have a top of the range car for 3 years etc
Lotus kill resale and p
s off buyers due to all these cars every few months and MASSIVE DISCOUNTS.you can see it now with the Elise Cup 220 and Elise cup 250 both on sale at the same time atm !!!
And if you ordered a Cup 220 3 months ago you would be a bit pissed off.
So expect an Exige CUP 410 in 6 weeks !
Lotus have always done it, sell you a car in the show room while they have newer cars out back.
even people who bought last years Cup 360's ended up with a poorer car at top money than a new basic Sport 350 which is lighter and faster and cheaper !
Here is another example , buy this car from Bell and colvill, it's brand new, but already old stock and outdated and more expensive and more weight than this new Sport 380 !!! but it's a brand new CUP car which is slower !!!
who is going to buy that at £68k now the new ones £67k
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/l...
LambShank said:
Then don't buy one, move on with your life and keep worrying about 'overs', contrasting stitching, and buckets.
The angst some people have on here with regards to a Lotus they're not really interested in is baffling to say the least.
But I want to buy one, I just want to have a current model by the time it arrives ?The angst some people have on here with regards to a Lotus they're not really interested in is baffling to say the least.
Not hard to understand is it ?
Porsche911R said:
LambShank said:
Then don't buy one, move on with your life and keep worrying about 'overs', contrasting stitching, and buckets.
The angst some people have on here with regards to a Lotus they're not really interested in is baffling to say the least.
But I want to buy one, I just want to have a current model by the time it arrives ?The angst some people have on here with regards to a Lotus they're not really interested in is baffling to say the least.
Not hard to understand is it ?
That's not hard to understand either.
That's the choice you have.
That's the way it is.
Like it, or lump it.
As an aside, I believe there was actually a stop on orders for the 350 for two weeks before the 380 was announced.
Now you can order either.
If you really want a Cup car then buy that blue one.
Now that the Motorsport division has been closed any new 'Cup' will be built on the normal production line.
The 360 is more than likely the last of the real Cup cars.
Edited by LambShank on Tuesday 29th November 12:28
sidesauce said:
By not buying one, I believe it's fair to say he lumped it.
I think he does in fact have a point regarding a new model being out, without prior notice, before an ordered car is delivered; it would piss me off somewhat too...
Which is, of course, his prerogative and loss.I think he does in fact have a point regarding a new model being out, without prior notice, before an ordered car is delivered; it would piss me off somewhat too...
There are still people who will buy them irrespective of new models coming out on every day ending in a 'y'.
WCZ said:
disagree with lots of thing you say but this 100% right imo
It is only right for those who buy a top of the range model because it is the top of the range model, and frankly if you only brought that model because its the top of the range then you deserve it when any manufacturer releases a better model later on. Its like buying a watch with a giant watch face so that more people can see how much you spent.Using Porsche as an example the 911R is rightly praised for having the best everyday bits of the 911GT3 RS with a manual box. If you paid through the nose via a reseller to buy one then are annoyed when the new, considerably faster (in a straight line) 911 GT3 comes out with a manual box (as it will do) then frankly you haven't being paying attention.
Personally I try to avoid buying a model that is about to be replaced as usually it depreciates faster than its replacement model, but otherwise I'd rather have my car when I want it rather than forever putting off purchase of a car I want/need just because something better will turn up, as it always will do.
I really like the Exige Sport 350 when I drove it and I imagine I'd like this even more as its as close as I've been yet to the level of feedback I get from my Indy. If they did a slightly tamer version with added sat nav, the interior out of the new Evora 410 and a bit of sound padding then I'd be tempted to switch from an Evora to the Exige.
Struggling to understand why an industry standard of practice with regards to releasing successive models is such an unexpected big deal to some. Are manufacturers expected to sit still and never move on with their model line up? (Inset 911 quip here)
What an odd basis for an argument. Almost as odd as reeling off stats about an obscure kit car as though it's a credible alternative in this segment.
Is PH solely read by those on the autistic spectrum?
What an odd basis for an argument. Almost as odd as reeling off stats about an obscure kit car as though it's a credible alternative in this segment.
Is PH solely read by those on the autistic spectrum?
Black S2K said:
hondansx said:
Have to say this looks mightily impressive. At that price, i am asking myself what's the catch!
Oh look - a wholly positive comment on a new Lotus thread. Ban this man!I wholly concur with you and I hope they cannot make 'em fast enough.
I know there's a very wide range of tastes here but I'd still have thought this would be the ultimate PH motor in many ways - purposeful, focused light weight sports car from an established brand, with even more powerful engine and very impressive performance figures. What's not to like? Obviously it's not cheap but looking at it's rivals it does seem to offer something unique in the market.
Cold said:
Struggling to understand why an industry standard of practice with regards to releasing successive models is such an unexpected big deal to some. Are manufacturers expected to sit still and never move on with their model line up? (Inset 911 quip here)
What an odd basis for an argument. Almost as odd as reeling off stats about an obscure kit car as though it's a credible alternative in this segment.
Is PH solely read by those on the autistic spectrum?
Porsche bring out a new model every 4 to 6 years with a face lift in between. So your 911 comment does not stand true. What an odd basis for an argument. Almost as odd as reeling off stats about an obscure kit car as though it's a credible alternative in this segment.
Is PH solely read by those on the autistic spectrum?
No suprises to buyers. within that 6 years you expect a base model car, an S a GTS and GT and the Turbo.
You don't buy a GT car and then 6 weeks later the base model is faster ! unlike Lotus.
atm we have dealers still with Elise cup 220 stock !!! Exige 360 stock etc etc
but they have Elise Cup 250 stock and now the Sport 380 ! along with the 25 ltd ed's every year !
Not only do Lotus not care about buyers they also screw dealers having to buy stock in in.
We want to see progress but in a nice informed way to help resale and make buyers feel wanted.
only way round it is buy 3 year old 2nd hand cars, but we need new buyers who feel secure in the way they are not being conned with buying old stock in the 1st place ,so there are 2nd hand cars to buy.
I remember on seloc the nice (which I see is for sale atm) liquid yellow car fully speced and a few £££ but before he got the car the new one was lauched and you take ownership of an outdated model !
picking up a old model you thought was brand new stinks and does take the edge of your hard earned.
the Cup 360 vs the Sport 380 again a joke example of how big a mess it all is who wants a CUP 360 now ? seems a pointless outdated model, and that had not even made the Lotus cars web site yet !!!
I like the exige 380 and , if I had that amount of money for a track car ,would seriously consider one.
though I would also be toying with the ultima or a season racing in ginetta/caterham/radical or the lotus,
It would be a difficult choice. I do have a soft sport for lotus as I like lightweight cars.
Ha ha!
It's all down to personality of course. On Thursday I'll be picking up my Sport 350, having specced it myself as I wanted it, including bespoke paintwork. Nobody mentioned the 380, the first I heard was the teaser on Facebook.
Am I upset that my Sport 350 has been trumped or diminished? Not even a little bit. Might seem odd, but I'm totally fine with it.
You see they haven't replace the 350 with the 380, for the same money. They've added it in above, so to get the stuff I wanted on it I would have needed to find another £10K.
Now, will I be switching out to Cup 2s, or swapping in a Lithium battery at some point. Maybe so, but in real life, this thing (my 350) is going to be quicker than our Caterham, and that goes like stink!
Come to think of it, the Seven 360 or 420 never bother me in regards to our R300, because each one is a peach, and the residuals are neither poor or particularly of concern, more a bonus to Caterham or Lotus ownership.
Now, back to waiting for Thursday...
It's all down to personality of course. On Thursday I'll be picking up my Sport 350, having specced it myself as I wanted it, including bespoke paintwork. Nobody mentioned the 380, the first I heard was the teaser on Facebook.
Am I upset that my Sport 350 has been trumped or diminished? Not even a little bit. Might seem odd, but I'm totally fine with it.
You see they haven't replace the 350 with the 380, for the same money. They've added it in above, so to get the stuff I wanted on it I would have needed to find another £10K.
Now, will I be switching out to Cup 2s, or swapping in a Lithium battery at some point. Maybe so, but in real life, this thing (my 350) is going to be quicker than our Caterham, and that goes like stink!
Come to think of it, the Seven 360 or 420 never bother me in regards to our R300, because each one is a peach, and the residuals are neither poor or particularly of concern, more a bonus to Caterham or Lotus ownership.
Now, back to waiting for Thursday...
A lot of people have missed this point above - the 380 is a model in its own right sitting above the 350, not instead of.
Like ordering a Cayman GTS, waiting 3 months for delivery and in the meantime Porsche announcing the GT4 at a £10k premium.
David - re the Cup cars - did you read my explanation ?
Like ordering a Cayman GTS, waiting 3 months for delivery and in the meantime Porsche announcing the GT4 at a £10k premium.
David - re the Cup cars - did you read my explanation ?
Porsche911R said:
Porsche bring out a new model every 4 to 6 years with a face lift in between. So your 911 comment does not stand true.
No suprises to buyers. within that 6 years you expect a base model car, an S a GTS and GT and the Turbo.
You don't buy a GT car and then 6 weeks later the base model is faster ! unlike Lotus.
That isn't historically correct for the GT3 and its variants, there have been 10 available to buy new from 2001, so one every 1.5 years. Add in overlap from the Turbo/GT2 and its going to get close to one a year, if you must have the fastest in a straight line.No suprises to buyers. within that 6 years you expect a base model car, an S a GTS and GT and the Turbo.
You don't buy a GT car and then 6 weeks later the base model is faster ! unlike Lotus.
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