- The riddle pf the Toyota GT86- the car for purist drivers.
Discussion
nickfrog said:
The track was the only place where I truly enjoyed the GT86 because the engine is less of an issue there, you're always where is (almost) works in the rev range.
It's beautifully resolved on the limit and the excellent steering helps. I was running on GY F1s and they were OK for a road tyre, bar the expected outer shoulder wear.
Only issue being the road brakes - it needs more aggressive pads and fluid.
i'm off to Bedford with the Primacys. 3 yrs old and still strong, need to scrub those b******s to death. probably going Conti 5 then.It's beautifully resolved on the limit and the excellent steering helps. I was running on GY F1s and they were OK for a road tyre, bar the expected outer shoulder wear.
Only issue being the road brakes - it needs more aggressive pads and fluid.
Also fitting a revised final drive to liven everything up.
CABC said:
i'm off to Bedford with the Primacys. 3 yrs old and still strong, need to scrub those b******s to death. probably going Conti 5 then.
Also fitting a revised final drive to liven everything up.
Sounds good - the car is screaming for some cheap semi-slicks though, particularly under braking. NS2Rs in 180 would be perfect. Or at least some stiffer sidewall road only tyres like Yoki 105.Also fitting a revised final drive to liven everything up.
nickfrog said:
Sounds good - the car is screaming for some cheap semi-slicks though, particularly under braking. NS2Rs in 180 would be perfect. Or at least some stiffer sidewall road only tyres like Yoki 105.
AD08Rs would be a nice compromise if they're available in a suitable size. They're surprisingly capable on standing water. kambites said:
nickfrog said:
Sounds good - the car is screaming for some cheap semi-slicks though, particularly under braking. NS2Rs in 180 would be perfect. Or at least some stiffer sidewall road only tyres like Yoki 105.
AD08Rs would be a nice compromise if they're available in a suitable size. em177 said:
I'm sorry but grippier tyres is the last thing the GT86 needs unless you supercharge it.
On the road I agree (although as Nick says slightly stiffer side-walls wouldn't go amiss), but we were talking about for track use where I think more grip would be of benefit, at least for me. Again I suppose it's a personal preference thing. kambites said:
You may be right, but I'd always assumed the opposite was true - that the GT86 was the car you'd go to if you wanted a relatively involving driving experience without having to spend much money or run two cars. I suppose again it comes down to personal preferences and circumstances. About the only time I could imagine myself buying one is if I was single and could, for whatever reason, only run one, cheap(ish) car.
If I was 21 (and in the same position I was in when I was 21) now, I could imagine myself buying one. Now I'm in my 30s with a family and we need two cars anyway, I might as well run a proper sports car without the inherent driving limitations provided by adding two extra seats and a decent boot.
How many 21year olds can afford a GT86 and the relevant insurance? If I was 21 (and in the same position I was in when I was 21) now, I could imagine myself buying one. Now I'm in my 30s with a family and we need two cars anyway, I might as well run a proper sports car without the inherent driving limitations provided by adding two extra seats and a decent boot.
Edited by kambites on Friday 13th January 12:47
ecsrobin said:
How many 21year olds can afford a GT86 and the relevant insurance?
Now, I don't know, but I think I could have afforded one at the bottom of the market when I was 21 or at least when I was 22 (I was running two, admittedly rather cheaper, cars by the time I was 22). Insurance has gone up rather since then though, and disposable income has arguably fallen. nickfrog said:
Sounds good - the car is screaming for some cheap semi-slicks though, particularly under braking. NS2Rs in 180 would be perfect. Or at least some stiffer sidewall road only tyres like Yoki 105.
just fitted NS2Rs to my track mx5, looking forward to trying them. The 105s have a lot of fans too.I know the Contis are solid performers on the road and they do win summer performance tests. Plus they do well in the wet and the 86 is a practical car for me.
Choices!
I've actually enjoyed the Primacys. They make the car skittish, but at least it's alive and i like that because i enjoy driving for fun & feel not just speed, especially when i have the Elise that's so planted. Of course, you'll say that the NS2Rs would also be better in the wet than the Primacys.
em177 said:
kambites said:
nickfrog said:
Sounds good - the car is screaming for some cheap semi-slicks though, particularly under braking. NS2Rs in 180 would be perfect. Or at least some stiffer sidewall road only tyres like Yoki 105.
AD08Rs would be a nice compromise if they're available in a suitable size. I don't think the standard brakes are too bad really either, you can lock the wheels on a dry track with standard pads, and they didn't melt on the few track days I took them on. Obviously a better compound gives a bit more confidence to really push them though.
I can definitely understand the complaints with the engine. I thought it was a bit rubbish until I fitted a new manifold and had it remapped. It now has a much flatter torque curve (it gained about 30 lb-ft in the midrange) and sounds like a proper boxer.
em177 said:
I'm sorry but grippier tyres is the last thing the GT86 needs unless you supercharge it.
The advantage with the Yoko tyres is that they give more consistent grip. IME, road tyres tend to get hot after a few laps and go sloppy, this hasn't happened to me yet on AD08s. Tread pattern looks cool as well I think Toyota, and subaru, missed a trick with these.
They should have sold a stripped out and caged version for the same money as a standard one.
Then set up a string of single make races.
Think they would have sold a lot more then - standard car benifitting from the halo of the 'racer' model.
Essentially, the british public need re-educated about what makes a sports (or sporty) car - current perception is a 1500kg turbo-charged hatchback.
They should have sold a stripped out and caged version for the same money as a standard one.
Then set up a string of single make races.
Think they would have sold a lot more then - standard car benifitting from the halo of the 'racer' model.
Essentially, the british public need re-educated about what makes a sports (or sporty) car - current perception is a 1500kg turbo-charged hatchback.
Rovnumpty said:
I think Toyota, and subaru, missed a trick with these.
They should have sold a stripped out and caged version for the same money as a standard one.
Then set up a string of single make races.
Think they would have sold a lot more then - standard car benifitting from the halo of the 'racer' model.
Essentially, the british public need re-educated about what makes a sports (or sporty) car - current perception is a 1500kg turbo-charged hatchback.
There is (was?) a one-make 86/BRZ race series just like this in AustraliaThey should have sold a stripped out and caged version for the same money as a standard one.
Then set up a string of single make races.
Think they would have sold a lot more then - standard car benifitting from the halo of the 'racer' model.
Essentially, the british public need re-educated about what makes a sports (or sporty) car - current perception is a 1500kg turbo-charged hatchback.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fG1KtubDlKI
Rovnumpty said:
I think Toyota, and subaru, missed a trick with these.
They should have sold a stripped out and caged version for the same money as a standard one.
Then set up a string of single make races.
Think they would have sold a lot more then - standard car benifitting from the halo of the 'racer' model.
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They did in Japan They should have sold a stripped out and caged version for the same money as a standard one.
Then set up a string of single make races.
Think they would have sold a lot more then - standard car benifitting from the halo of the 'racer' model.
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http://www.autoblog.com/2012/02/09/toyota-gt86-com...
We were too busy arguing about which econobox was fastest.
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