RE: Nissan GT-R NISMO MY17: Driven

[SuperVM]

gigglebug said:

Yipper said:

£150k for a 600bhp Nissan is insane. Especially when you realise £30k for a Golf R and a £10k for an aftermarket remap will get you 550bhp and something just as fast.

Bang on Yipper! I just can't understand why if you had the means to be able to afford 150K for an official manufacturer developed fast road/track special why you wouldn't just buy a very common family hatchback and give it an engine that the majority of the standard components weren't designed to handle so therefore will have a reduced lifespan, if any lifespan at all, and which would have absolutely no manufacturer warranty or dealer support. It just doesn't make any sense does it? Rich folks hey? They are all silly buggers!

Not to mention a completely different driving experience, because cars only go in straight lines.

[Yipper]

There are at least 10-15 Golf Rs in the wild in the UK at the moment running -- with full reliability for the past 6-12 months -- around the 500-550bhp mark.

Even if the engine and turbo blew once a year for 10 years in a row (extremely unlikely), it would still be cheaper than the Nismo

Here is a Golf R doing 10.8 seconds on the quarter-mile, which is roughly the same as a 2017 Nismo...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVIdPiPA1j4

[Centurion07]

[hondansx]

Yipper said:

There are at least 10-15 Golf Rs in the wild in the UK at the moment running -- with full reliability for the past 6-12 months -- around the 500-550bhp mark.

Even if the engine and turbo blew once a year for 10 years in a row (extremely unlikely), it would still be cheaper than the Nismo

Here is a Golf R doing 10.8 seconds on the quarter-mile, which is roughly the same as a 2017 Nismo...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVIdPiPA1j4

You must be trolling. Stage 3 is a completely different turbo setup - hardly a map!

I think we can all agree that £150k is too much for the NISMO. It's for die hard fans only, in the same way it costs £200k+ to import an NSX-R.

A 'normal' GTR still remains a performance bargain for what it offers. But i'd still pay more for a Porsche Turbo.

[gigglebug]

Yipper said:

There are at least 10-15 Golf Rs in the wild in the UK at the moment running -- with full reliability for the past 6-12 months -- around the 500-550bhp mark.

Even if the engine and turbo blew once a year for 10 years in a row (extremely unlikely), it would still be cheaper than the Nismo

Here is a Golf R doing 10.8 seconds on the quarter-mile, which is roughly the same as a 2017 Nismo...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVIdPiPA1j4

YES YIPPER!! What the Nissan fan boy fools on here are failing to appreciate is that after many months of honing and developing the GTR at the universally and internationally renowned home of handling, Santa Pod, they have still only produced a car as quick over a quarter mile as a back street tuner Golf! (no offence back street tuners we love you!) ha ha ha! Ha ha ha!

Edited by gigglebug on Friday 27th January 17:36

[MrBarry123]

Yipper said:

£150k for a 600bhp Nissan is insane. Especially when you realise £30k for a Golf R and a £10k for an aftermarket remap will get you 550bhp and something just as fast.

What happens when you realise that you've realised that and still wouldn't have the Golf?

I wouldn't be surprised if you're banned from Nissan dealerships globally because you're such a threat to their sales with your tuning patter.

[Yipper]

hondansx said:

Yipper said:

There are at least 10-15 Golf Rs in the wild in the UK at the moment running -- with full reliability for the past 6-12 months -- around the 500-550bhp mark.

Even if the engine and turbo blew once a year for 10 years in a row (extremely unlikely), it would still be cheaper than the Nismo

Here is a Golf R doing 10.8 seconds on the quarter-mile, which is roughly the same as a 2017 Nismo...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVIdPiPA1j4

You must be trolling. Stage 3 is a completely different turbo setup - hardly a map!

I think we can all agree that £150k is too much for the NISMO. It's for die hard fans only, in the same way it costs £200k+ to import an NSX-R.

A 'normal' GTR still remains a performance bargain for what it offers. But i'd still pay more for a Porsche Turbo.

No trolling. Stating facts. As per first post -- buy a 30k Golf R, throw 10k at a good tuner, and a week later you will have a car as fast as a 150k Nismo

[gigglebug]

Yipper said:

No trolling. Stating facts. As per first post -- buy a 30k Golf R, throw 10k at a good tuner, and a week later you will have a car as fast as a 150k Nismo

YYYEEESSSS!!!!! And it will have as much mechanical grip. And it will have aero as good as the Nissans. And all it's components will be fully tested and warrantied the same as the Nissans. And it will hold it's value as well!

Edited by gigglebug on Friday 27th January 18:52

[Centurion07]

Yipper said:

No trolling. Stating facts. As per first post -- buy a 30k Golf R, throw 10k at a good tuner, and a week later you will have a car as fast as a 150k Nismo

The only flaw in that plan is that it will still be a Golf.

[tjlees]

Centurion07 said:

Yipper said:

No trolling. Stating facts. As per first post -- buy a 30k Golf R, throw 10k at a good tuner, and a week later you will have a car as fast as a 150k Nismo

The only flaw in that plan is that it will still be a Golf.

Same flaw that the nismo is a Nissan

... but the golf is only £40k not £150k

[Centurion07]

Except somebody willing to spunk 150K on a GTR is most definitely NOT going to buy a Golf and get it remapped.

You know the GTR doesn't just go quickly down the strip, right?

Wonder how much the GTR will be worth even just 2 years down the line versus the Golf, as a percentage of their original cost...?

The comparison is so ridiculous it's not even a comparison.

[jl4069]

"Electro-hydraulic steering that's far more pleasant than even the best Porsche EPAS systems"

Says it all. And I'm glad someone has the balls to say this. Modern sports cars have crap steering that ruins a lot of the fun of driving.

Since sports cars are becoming more luxury items to be used on occasion (yes I know some use them everyday) why cant we have Hydraulic steering put back into sports cars? One day we'll likely have to pay an amusement fee to drive our cars on a closed road/circuit, we might as well enjoy this. Sadly this seems to be the case going forward, so lets at least figure out a way to enjoy cars as this time comes. j

[Yipper]

Centurion07 said:

Except somebody willing to spunk 150K on a GTR is most definitely NOT going to buy a Golf and get it remapped.

You know the GTR doesn't just go quickly down the strip, right?

Wonder how much the GTR will be worth even just 2 years down the line versus the Golf, as a percentage of their original cost...?

The comparison is so ridiculous it's not even a comparison.

As per previous post, the £150k price for a Nissan is insane. You can get the same performance for £40k.

As the car bubble is about to burst, the Nismo will probably be about £80-120k in 2 years (assuming average miles). The Golf around £20k (average miles).

[Housey]

Ah yes, the spreadsheet boys have arrived.

Think I'll buy a 5K westfield and put a DFV in it.

[Centurion07]

Yipper said:

As per previous post, the £150k price for a Nissan is insane. You can get the same performance for £40k.

As the car bubble is about to burst, the Nismo will probably be about £80-120k in 2 years (assuming average miles). The Golf around £20k (average miles).

Except you can't get the same performance. In a straight line, up to a point, yes. Every other thing the GTR does? Nowhere near.

The price of the GTR, in performance terms when compared to the standard car (with or without a bit of work) is OTT, but people aren't buying it solely because of it's stats, which is why your "comparison" with a remapped Golf is ridiculous.

I would bet my house on pretty much nobody saying this list has any bearing on each car's desirability and even if it did, I don't think a remapped Golf is going to figure all that highly on there anyway since it's a one-trick pony.

[SidewaysSi]

Yipper said:

Centurion07 said:

Except somebody willing to spunk 150K on a GTR is most definitely NOT going to buy a Golf and get it remapped.

You know the GTR doesn't just go quickly down the strip, right?

Wonder how much the GTR will be worth even just 2 years down the line versus the Golf, as a percentage of their original cost...?

The comparison is so ridiculous it's not even a comparison.

As per previous post, the £150k price for a Nissan is insane. You can get the same performance for £40k.

As the car bubble is about to burst, the Nismo will probably be about £80-120k in 2 years (assuming average miles). The Golf around £20k (average miles).

But the Golf's a bit st.

[sege]

I can't help but feel that people crying "$150k for a Nissan/Datsun" or whatever, are expressing quite a bit of car enthusiast ignorance.
There are people who will buy this car and see it as the jewel in their collection which may well include Ferraris, Porsches, McLarens, and yeah, maybe even a Golf! haha!

As such I think the only criticism that could be levelled at it is that it is not quite extreme enough, and I don't mean in terms of power output, but stripping the interior and making it even more track focussed (unless it is actually more extreme than the right up suggests).
Stripped, caged, harnessed and aimed at producing laptimes. That's what I think a NISMO car should be about.

jl4069 said:

"Electro-hydraulic steering that's far more pleasant than even the best Porsche EPAS systems"

Says it all. And I'm glad someone has the balls to say this. Modern sports cars have crap steering that ruins a lot of the fun of driving.

Since sports cars are becoming more luxury items to be used on occasion (yes I know some use them everyday) why cant we have Hydraulic steering put back into sports cars? One day we'll likely have to pay an amusement fee to drive our cars on a closed road/circuit, we might as well enjoy this. Sadly this seems to be the case going forward, so lets at least figure out a way to enjoy cars as this time comes. j

First the GTR came and trounced the competition with its performance. Now it is a superior drivers machine also! And still "$150k for a Nissan/Datsun"...

I saw a white GTR on the road yesterday and still thought 'wow!'. It is up there with the elite of petrolhead credibility imo.

[RB5_245]

There's a lot of complaining about 150k for a gt-r. However, they're all going to be sold so the car is successful for its intent. If you don't like it, don't buy one, don't complain that is shouldn't have been built and no one should have one because you don't think it's worth the money.

It's maybe not going to be as desirable as a limited 911, but it's still a financially sound purchase.

[peterpeter]

I've got a few cars including an m2 a 911 , boxster and a Gtr

Gtr is the best of the lot by miles -

150 is a definitely a bit OTT- 125 or so would be closer to the
Mark. For me the track edition is the one to get in the 2017 models

Edited by peterpeter on Sunday 29th January 09:15

[200Plus Club]

As a collectors piece it may be "worth" a premium who knows. For 50k you can get the same performance in any GTR. it's something I'm thinking of doing having driven one recently with 600bhp. It was an awesome car with some presence.

On the other hand I could buy a Golf and chuck money at it i now learn.. mmmm..

No thanks. One option is a hugely talented icon, the other is a VW Golf.
No matter how much you polish that turd it's still going to be a VW golf.

If you didn't want a GTR then I'd be looking at some beautiful cars such as 911 turbos, Lotus Exiges, maybe a performance classic (Delta perhaps), a golf would never cross my mind no matter how modern/quick they've become. Sorry VW fan boy!

Edited by 200Plus Club on Sunday 29th January 09:02