RE: Audi RS3: Driven

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Jesus

10,719 posts

127 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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Terminator X said:
Jesus said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
kambites said:
DPSFleet said:
With options I expect £60k.....serious money - I think I will have the Alfa Quad instead.
It doesn't seem to make much sense to say the Audi is a £60k car because you'd spend 5 figures on options so you'd have a car with a base-price of £60k instead.
indeed, if your the sort of person to go mad with the options list why would you not do the same on the alfa or an M3 etc and add 10-20k on them?
On the Alfa Giulia QV there's hardly any options to buy

And it has very good steering.
Eh? £5k ceramic brakes and £3k carbon seats ...

TX.
Ah yes, I missed those laugh

foggy1974

44 posts

86 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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Dave Hedgehog said:
if they had made it look like the concept my deposit would have been down 2 years ago

Exactly why cant it look like the Clubsport concept?
Even the colour cant stop it looking like an s-line diesel.
Could of been so much more desirable in my opinion although I'm sure it will sound and drive nice.
I think Audis of late are starting to look a bit bland in general.

ash reynolds

386 posts

129 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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If I had the money for this then I'd save/rob whatever the difference was to buy the Alfa Giulia. I believe that this car is a slap in the face for the germans. Technology, pedigree, specification, it's here in bucket loads for comparatively speaking a bargain price.


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flight147z

455 posts

67 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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I borrowed a generic a3 saloon from work a couple of years ago. I've never driven an a4 admittedly, but why do Audi need to make both?

TomScrut

2,346 posts

26 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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flight147z said:
I borrowed a generic a3 saloon from work a couple of years ago. I've never driven an a4 admittedly, but why do Audi need to make both?
They are different sizes. VW make the Jetta and the Passat and you see plenty of both around.
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jl4069

77 posts

40 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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It's like piston heads and Evo were at an entirely different event. Evo says the RS3 reaches "new heights" positively loves the car...

http://www.evo.co.uk/audi/rs3/19070/2017-audi-rs3-...

DM525i

75 posts

86 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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Every time I read a review, article about an Audi performance car it always sounds like a bit of an apology for a car that is nearly good enough but is never good enough. There always seems to be some fundamental flaws, steering, gearboxes etc. Top quality interior, mediocre car. I must stop opening articles about Audis.

Ahbefive

11,559 posts

110 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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jl4069 said:
It's like piston heads and Evo were at an entirely different event. Evo says the RS3 reaches "new heights" positively loves the car...

http://www.evo.co.uk/audi/rs3/19070/2017-audi-rs3-...
New heights for an A3 but in the same article states thats its not as good to drive as competitors.

jl4069

77 posts

40 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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[quote=DM525i]Every time I read a review, article about an Audi performance car it always sounds like a bit of an apology for a car that is nearly good enough but is never good enough. There always seems to be some fundamental flaws, steering, gearboxes etc. Top quality interior, mediocre car. I must stop opening articles about Audis. [/quot

I don't believe this car is as different as these two journalists say they are.

TomScrut

2,346 posts

26 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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Ahbefive said:
New heights for an A3 but in the same article states thats its not as good to drive as competitors.
I read Evos review of the S5 sportback. In the main article itself they don't actually say anything (from memory) bad about the car, and the only negative is the gearbox which if it's that bad would surely be in the article, but they give it 3 stars. Just seems disjointed. Maybe it just doesn't do anything that well to justify a better score.

Loyly

16,426 posts

97 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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That saloon shape is so right. The small saloon is so woefully underrepresented these days but it is due a comeback. Finally, a saloon that fits on a British B road again! hehe

Gandahar

6,140 posts

66 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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Loyly said:
That saloon shape is so right. The small saloon is so woefully underrepresented these days but it is due a comeback. Finally, a saloon that fits on a British B road again! hehe
I agree with you here. In the past who would have had an Orion 1.6i over a mighty Escort XR3i, but now this and the Mercedes AMG CLA saloon look better that the S3 and A series hot hatches.

This engine is ripe for 500bhp also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZb-lVhAN2Q



Dave Hedgehog

10,036 posts

142 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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Gandahar said:
Loyly said:
That saloon shape is so right. The small saloon is so woefully underrepresented these days but it is due a comeback. Finally, a saloon that fits on a British B road again! hehe
I agree with you here. In the past who would have had an Orion 1.6i over a mighty Escort XR3i, but now this and the Mercedes AMG CLA saloon look better that the S3 and A series hot hatches.

This engine is ripe for 500bhp also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZb-lVhAN2Q
apr got 600bhp out of the first version of the engine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNklpt8CVW4


jl4069

77 posts

40 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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Ahbefive said:
New heights for an A3 but in the same article states thats its not as good to drive as competitors.
Actually it says the M2 can be more fun and the Golf r might be sweeter, but really they don't and likely won't ever tell us how they really compare. The M2 actually has a few handling flaws and has lost many a comparison, so I wouldn't classify the RS3 as being a worse handling car. Also I'd really like to know if Audis new software changes the haldex give it more options than the golf and wether it compares well with the Focus RS- which Evo has also recently reversed their view of for rather unclear reasons. Evo and others are usually keen to not compare these cars too carefully as they like to keep their options open and not tick off some audiences. Poor reviewing and journalism for sure.

Edited by jl4069 on Thursday 16th March 20:54

TomScrut

2,346 posts

26 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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jl4069 said:
Actually it says the M2 can be more fun and the Golf r might be sweeter, but really they don't and likely won't ever tell us how they really compare. I'd really like to know if Audis new software changed to he haldex give it more options than the golf and wether it compares well with the Focus RS. Evo and others are usually keen to not compare these cars too carefully as they like to keep their options open and not tick off some audiences. Poor reviewing and journalism for sure.
The TT RS reckons to have settings for power distribution but (according to reviews) doesn't make it more tail happy or anything IIRC.

I agree re the journalism. Very non committal, as most of them are now.

jl4069

77 posts

40 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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TomScrut said:
The TT RS reckons to have settings for power distribution but (according to reviews) doesn't make it more tail happy or anything IIRC.

I agree re the journalism. Very non committal, as most of them are now.
Totally agree. We need a new car magazine or an line site with great drivers and cars that reports on how these cars drive in some sort of on going basis- on all kinds of roads. What the hell os he difference anyway the circulation of these magazine is going down anyway do they really make that much money from these little videos that about 100 random YouTube producers.

FN2TypeR

5,859 posts

31 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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This sounds pretty smashing, and I'm normally a bit of a miser when it comes to giving Audi much in the way of praise.

HOWEVER!

I think it needs slightly bigger wheel arches, like the B7 RS4 saloon - a superb looking vehicle.

I like it, even the colour cool

DPSFleet

192 posts

99 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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I had two early A3's back in about 04 and 06. Great cars and at the time a bit different. Since then the styling boys have tinkered away and the purity of the original has been stretched and messed with so much that it's morphed into another VW group Eurobox. Shame. Hence why I think it's worth looking at the Italian and ford offerings which are looking great and driving very well as all rounders. Most of our miles are not done on the Evo triangle or a circuit. My comments about the £60k car were based upon my own experience of speccing Audis over many years - always seems to be a big extra bill to get them decently equipped.

The fun in Motoring for me is variety which is why I always have at least 5 cars with a wide spectrum of speed, space and grace (sic)

FN2TypeR

5,859 posts

31 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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Limpet said:
I've come to the M140i from a snotter mk1 Focus which threw it into sharper relief, I think. The Focus had really nice steering (and dynamics generally), despite its advancing years and miles.

I'm thoroughly enjoying the BMW, but found it quite telling that despite this and a £500 Focus not really bearing comparison in any way (price, age, performance, mileage, condition etc etc), and the BMW being a vastly better car in almost every way, there is one thing that the old car does so much better, and that you notice within 100 yds of driving the newer one.

The difference noted above is significantly greater than I noticed going from an F30 3-series to a B8 A4, for example. Although I accept they do vary, I still think EPAS is generally a bit rubbish for feel and connection to the road, and Audi's isn't much worse than BMW's (who don't get panned for it constantly).


Edited by Limpet on Thursday 16th March 11:35
What reg is the Focus?

In fairness the first generation ones are a terrific steer even in 1.6/1.8 form, Ford didn't muck about when it came to setting the Focus MK1 up, great little car!

sleepera6

4,545 posts

35 months

Thursday 16th March 2017
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These will be more or less resistant to theft (well, compared to the GR, S3) because thieves can't use them without being noticed and with all the lairy colours they are pretty much easily identified and won't make it outside the country unless it's in bits. And even then the 5 cylinder turbo would be a rare thing to see on ebay...


TLDR
will resist theft like the FRS