RE: Audi SQ7: UK Review
Discussion
Nors said:
This sums up the car & the thread, as it does for many others!
I for one can't fathom why people seem to take time out of their day to 'pick' on a car and those that buy/dirve them. Indeed, it's obviously ok to have an opinion on something, preferably, if you've got first hand experience of the car you've chosen to slate. All else other than personal preference for looks are all but pointless imho.
What car/suv etc people pay for, choose to buy (by whatever means) is sod all to do with me and neither do I take 'offence' at anyone for their choice. Life's too short!
People can buy what they want. The issue for me is that people say how they "need" one.I for one can't fathom why people seem to take time out of their day to 'pick' on a car and those that buy/dirve them. Indeed, it's obviously ok to have an opinion on something, preferably, if you've got first hand experience of the car you've chosen to slate. All else other than personal preference for looks are all but pointless imho.
What car/suv etc people pay for, choose to buy (by whatever means) is sod all to do with me and neither do I take 'offence' at anyone for their choice. Life's too short!
They "need" one because they live in the country side. Well, I was brought up on a dairy farm where dad had a herd of cows and he didn't need one. I have worked on farms at home and abroad and have no use for one at all.
Yes, but we have children. Children, from what I remember, are like normal people, just smaller, so why would one "need" anything other than a normal car? Well, you see, we, err, need the space for, err, the, erm, yes, we need the space for the kids, that's right, the kids. So you need a good family car? Yes. Like a Galaxy then? I need a 4wd. What for? Err, the kids. But the Galaxy is a better family car, that's what it is, a family car. What you're saying is, you need a bigger car than the one your net door neighbour has and the one the bloke at work has who gets on your tits?
If you "need" a 4wd car/utility vehicle, then sir might like to take a look at the J200 Landcruiser and Nissan Patrol. You can't get the LC anymore because people that think they need a 4wd don't buy them, because they are not car like enough. No s
t, it's not a car. It's a 4wd vehicle, with a 4wd vehicle chassis, 4wd vehicle drive train and a 4wd vehicle set of tyres. Yes, but it's not that nice to drive. It's not supposed to be you div', it's a tool for a job and you're just taking the kids to school. But I need to be safe. Put the phone down and wtahc what you're doing then. Besides which which, if you need a 4wd car, why did you buy one with rock hard suspension and low profile road tyres on it? Because it's more car like. Why don't you buy a car then, if that what you wanted in the first place? We need 4wd for the snow, yes the snow. So you bought a big, heavy car for the snow, then fitted low profile tyres to it which are useless in the snow? Would you like to buy some magic beans? Willy Nilly said:
People can buy what they want. The issue for me is that people say how they "need" one.
They "need" one because they live in the country side. Well, I was brought up on a dairy farm where dad had a herd of cows and he didn't need one. I have worked on farms at home and abroad and have no use for one at all.
Yes, but we have children. Children, from what I remember, are like normal people, just smaller, so why would one "need" anything other than a normal car? Well, you see, we, err, need the space for, err, the, erm, yes, we need the space for the kids, that's right, the kids. So you need a good family car? Yes. Like a Galaxy then? I need a 4wd. What for? Err, the kids. But the Galaxy is a better family car, that's what it is, a family car. What you're saying is, you need a bigger car than the one your net door neighbour has and the one the bloke at work has who gets on your tits?
If you "need" a 4wd car/utility vehicle, then sir might like to take a look at the J200 Landcruiser and Nissan Patrol. You can't get the LC anymore because people that think they need a 4wd don't buy them, because they are not car like enough. No st, it's not a car. It's a 4wd vehicle, with a 4wd vehicle chassis, 4wd vehicle drive train and a 4wd vehicle set of tyres. Yes, but it's not that nice to drive. It's not supposed to be you div', it's a tool for a job and you're just taking the kids to school. But I need to be safe. Put the phone down and wtahc what you're doing then. Besides which which, if you need a 4wd car, why did you buy one with rock hard suspension and low profile road tyres on it? Because it's more car like. Why don't you buy a car then, if that what you wanted in the first place? We need 4wd for the snow, yes the snow. So you bought a big, heavy car for the snow, then fitted low profile tyres to it which are useless in the snow? Would you like to buy some magic beans?
What's it got to do with you what people buy and why? Just wind your neck in and go off and relax somewhere, it's nothing to do with you They "need" one because they live in the country side. Well, I was brought up on a dairy farm where dad had a herd of cows and he didn't need one. I have worked on farms at home and abroad and have no use for one at all.
Yes, but we have children. Children, from what I remember, are like normal people, just smaller, so why would one "need" anything other than a normal car? Well, you see, we, err, need the space for, err, the, erm, yes, we need the space for the kids, that's right, the kids. So you need a good family car? Yes. Like a Galaxy then? I need a 4wd. What for? Err, the kids. But the Galaxy is a better family car, that's what it is, a family car. What you're saying is, you need a bigger car than the one your net door neighbour has and the one the bloke at work has who gets on your tits?
If you "need" a 4wd car/utility vehicle, then sir might like to take a look at the J200 Landcruiser and Nissan Patrol. You can't get the LC anymore because people that think they need a 4wd don't buy them, because they are not car like enough. No s
t, it's not a car. It's a 4wd vehicle, with a 4wd vehicle chassis, 4wd vehicle drive train and a 4wd vehicle set of tyres. Yes, but it's not that nice to drive. It's not supposed to be you div', it's a tool for a job and you're just taking the kids to school. But I need to be safe. Put the phone down and wtahc what you're doing then. Besides which which, if you need a 4wd car, why did you buy one with rock hard suspension and low profile road tyres on it? Because it's more car like. Why don't you buy a car then, if that what you wanted in the first place? We need 4wd for the snow, yes the snow. So you bought a big, heavy car for the snow, then fitted low profile tyres to it which are useless in the snow? Would you like to buy some magic beans? 
Do people claim that they need them? Giving reasons for buying one doesn't mean you need it. I don't need a 3 litre engine in my car but I like what comes with it performance wise. Most of the arguments against these things are always a case of "making do" with something that is a master of one trade and naff at something else or buying more than one car. What cars other than SUVs have 4wd, high ground clearance, car like refinement, excellent interiors (to the quality of Audi, BMW, Merc, JLR) and the space for a family? And I am counting the usual suspects from JLR as SUVs as that is more what they are than an off roader like a land cruiser, even if they are capable off road (as are a lot of other SUVs) and that most people I have encountered who hate X5s Q7s etc also hate Range Rovers.
Yes they are a Jack of all trades but that's what people like about them.
Yes they are a Jack of all trades but that's what people like about them.
PhantomPH said:
philmots said:
numtumfutunch said:
philmots said:
jagfan2 said:
It'd the same size as as an rs6, not much heavier, cheaper, nearly as fast, in 90% of situations and faster in some,
I'd love to know in what real world situation this SQ7 will be faster than an RS6.I appreciate it will be very quick, but in what situation would it put an RS6 in its place?
These "mine's quicker than yours" arguments are silly in the context of sensible spirited driving on a public road.
I'd rather have the RS6 though than that 2.5 tonne diesel SUV.
Wills2 said:
As will most cars, a 230hp Golf GTI will keep a 431hp M3 honest on "sensible" A/B road blast, you pull ahead a little then it's time for the brakes, cornering at similar speeds (because we're on a public road and both have grip to spare) exit corner M3 pulls away a little, time for the brakes (rinse and repeat) everyone arrives within seconds of each other.
These "mine's quicker than yours" arguments are silly in the context of sensible spirited driving on a public road.
I'd rather have the RS6 though than that 2.5 tonne diesel SUV.
I agree, it takes a lot faster car to leave another in the dust when being semi sensible on the road.These "mine's quicker than yours" arguments are silly in the context of sensible spirited driving on a public road.
I'd rather have the RS6 though than that 2.5 tonne diesel SUV.
If it makes you feel any better Andy S I'm sure that within the next 30 years or so legislation will ensure that we'll all be limited to a single choice of transport which will offer nothing other than the ability to get us from A-B as efficiently and safely as possible but will have zero attachment for the user. You'll be happy than as the right to choose something because you think you might like will have well and truly been taken out of the hands of those who aren't capable of making the correct decisions for themselves.
Saw one of these on the road yesterday and was utterly underwhelmed. The new Q7 is very 'generic 4x4' in comparison to the previous model to my eyes and the S treatment doesn't appears to improve matters.
Whilst I appreciate not everyone want's something flashy, for the £80k or so asking price I'd at least want something that would make me want to turn around and look at it in a car park.
Whilst I appreciate not everyone want's something flashy, for the £80k or so asking price I'd at least want something that would make me want to turn around and look at it in a car park.
SWoll said:
Saw one of these on the road yesterday and was utterly underwhelmed. The new Q7 is very 'generic 4x4' in comparison to the previous model to my eyes and the S treatment doesn't appears to improve matters.
Whilst I appreciate not everyone want's something flashy, for the £80k or so asking price I'd at least want something that would make me want to turn around and look at it in a car park.
Kind of goes against some people's arguments that people only buy them to show offWhilst I appreciate not everyone want's something flashy, for the £80k or so asking price I'd at least want something that would make me want to turn around and look at it in a car park.
TomScrut said:
SWoll said:
Saw one of these on the road yesterday and was utterly underwhelmed. The new Q7 is very 'generic 4x4' in comparison to the previous model to my eyes and the S treatment doesn't appears to improve matters.
Whilst I appreciate not everyone want's something flashy, for the £80k or so asking price I'd at least want something that would make me want to turn around and look at it in a car park.
Kind of goes against some people's arguments that people only buy them to show offWhilst I appreciate not everyone want's something flashy, for the £80k or so asking price I'd at least want something that would make me want to turn around and look at it in a car park.
SWoll said:
TomScrut said:
SWoll said:
Saw one of these on the road yesterday and was utterly underwhelmed. The new Q7 is very 'generic 4x4' in comparison to the previous model to my eyes and the S treatment doesn't appears to improve matters.
Whilst I appreciate not everyone want's something flashy, for the £80k or so asking price I'd at least want something that would make me want to turn around and look at it in a car park.
Kind of goes against some people's arguments that people only buy them to show offWhilst I appreciate not everyone want's something flashy, for the £80k or so asking price I'd at least want something that would make me want to turn around and look at it in a car park.
TheDrBrian said:
Is this the mythical real world where diesel batters petrol in gear?
Or the universe where a transit is faster than a boxster?
We had a run to Goodwood late last year with plenty of Audi's (RS3/4/6/7, Sq7 and a V10 R8+) Or the universe where a transit is faster than a boxster?
Everyone there was amazed at the pace of the Sq7. Incredible mid range and at fast road speeds it was keeping every RS honest.
Not my cup of tea, but a pretty incredible piece of tech and anyone doubting its ability should give one a go.
Willy Nilly said:
People can buy what they want. The issue for me is that people say how they "need" one.
They "need" one because they live in the country side. Well, I was brought up on a dairy farm where dad had a herd of cows and he didn't need one. I have worked on farms at home and abroad and have no use for one at all.
Yes, but we have children. Children, from what I remember, are like normal people, just smaller, so why would one "need" anything other than a normal car? Well, you see, we, err, need the space for, err, the, erm, yes, we need the space for the kids, that's right, the kids. So you need a good family car? Yes. Like a Galaxy then? I need a 4wd. What for? Err, the kids. But the Galaxy is a better family car, that's what it is, a family car. What you're saying is, you need a bigger car than the one your net door neighbour has and the one the bloke at work has who gets on your tits?
If you "need" a 4wd car/utility vehicle, then sir might like to take a look at the J200 Landcruiser and Nissan Patrol. You can't get the LC anymore because people that think they need a 4wd don't buy them, because they are not car like enough. No st, it's not a car. It's a 4wd vehicle, with a 4wd vehicle chassis, 4wd vehicle drive train and a 4wd vehicle set of tyres. Yes, but it's not that nice to drive. It's not supposed to be you div', it's a tool for a job and you're just taking the kids to school. But I need to be safe. Put the phone down and wtahc what you're doing then. Besides which which, if you need a 4wd car, why did you buy one with rock hard suspension and low profile road tyres on it? Because it's more car like. Why don't you buy a car then, if that what you wanted in the first place? We need 4wd for the snow, yes the snow. So you bought a big, heavy car for the snow, then fitted low profile tyres to it which are useless in the snow? Would you like to buy some magic beans?
Maslow's hierearchy of needs.They "need" one because they live in the country side. Well, I was brought up on a dairy farm where dad had a herd of cows and he didn't need one. I have worked on farms at home and abroad and have no use for one at all.
Yes, but we have children. Children, from what I remember, are like normal people, just smaller, so why would one "need" anything other than a normal car? Well, you see, we, err, need the space for, err, the, erm, yes, we need the space for the kids, that's right, the kids. So you need a good family car? Yes. Like a Galaxy then? I need a 4wd. What for? Err, the kids. But the Galaxy is a better family car, that's what it is, a family car. What you're saying is, you need a bigger car than the one your net door neighbour has and the one the bloke at work has who gets on your tits?
If you "need" a 4wd car/utility vehicle, then sir might like to take a look at the J200 Landcruiser and Nissan Patrol. You can't get the LC anymore because people that think they need a 4wd don't buy them, because they are not car like enough. No s
t, it's not a car. It's a 4wd vehicle, with a 4wd vehicle chassis, 4wd vehicle drive train and a 4wd vehicle set of tyres. Yes, but it's not that nice to drive. It's not supposed to be you div', it's a tool for a job and you're just taking the kids to school. But I need to be safe. Put the phone down and wtahc what you're doing then. Besides which which, if you need a 4wd car, why did you buy one with rock hard suspension and low profile road tyres on it? Because it's more car like. Why don't you buy a car then, if that what you wanted in the first place? We need 4wd for the snow, yes the snow. So you bought a big, heavy car for the snow, then fitted low profile tyres to it which are useless in the snow? Would you like to buy some magic beans? Marketing 101 !
Need = want = decision making
As the chap above says, wait long enough and it will all be taken out of our hands.
You'll have to ditch your motorbikes too
gigglebug said:
If it makes you feel any better Andy S I'm sure that within the next 30 years or so legislation will ensure that we'll all be limited to a single choice of transport which will offer nothing other than the ability to get us from A-B as efficiently and safely as possible but will have zero attachment for the user. You'll be happy than as the right to choose something because you think you might like will have well and truly been taken out of the hands of those who aren't capable of making the correct decisions for themselves.
I think you misunderstood my point; criticising a car from a technical, aesthetic etc point of view is fair enough, but ascribing characteristics to potential owners based on your own perceptions is the work of a simpleton. andy_s said:
I think you misunderstood my point; criticising a car from a technical, aesthetic etc point of view is fair enough, but ascribing characteristics to potential owners based on your own perceptions is the work of a simpleton.
No I didn't misunderstand your point it was just I quoted the wrong person, my response was to Willy Nilly.Alucidnation said:
Can't wait for the thread about the new Q8.
That will have them frothing at the mouth even more!
"Gopping" doesnt even begin to cover it...That will have them frothing at the mouth even more!
Edited by Alucidnation on Thursday 13th April 19:07
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/audi/q8/63643/new-201...
andy_s said:
I think you misunderstood my point; criticising a car from a technical, aesthetic etc point of view is fair enough, but ascribing characteristics to potential owners based on your own perceptions is the work of a simpleton.
This is the only category of car (I say car...) that people buy because they think they "need" it. This is sort of marketed as an off road car, a big rugged off road car for doing big rugged off road things. It's so good at being a big rigged off roader that the people that use big ruggered off roaders don't buy them. It would be like buying a set of hiking boots with smooth soles.
Can you imagine buying a high performance track day car because you bought a house near Snetterton, that's not really much good on a track day and then never taking it on a track day? That's what this type of car is.
Willy Nilly said:
This is the only category of car (I say car...) that people buy because they think they "need" it.
This is sort of marketed as an off road car, a big rugged off road car for doing big rugged off road things. It's so good at being a big rigged off roader that the people that use big ruggered off roaders don't buy them. It would be like buying a set of hiking boots with smooth soles.
Can you imagine buying a high performance track day car because you bought a house near Snetterton, that's not really much good on a track day and then never taking it on a track day? That's what this type of car is.
Utter balls This is sort of marketed as an off road car, a big rugged off road car for doing big rugged off road things. It's so good at being a big rigged off roader that the people that use big ruggered off roaders don't buy them. It would be like buying a set of hiking boots with smooth soles.
Can you imagine buying a high performance track day car because you bought a house near Snetterton, that's not really much good on a track day and then never taking it on a track day? That's what this type of car is.
Nobody will say they need an SQ7
Plenty will buy because they like it.
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