The New Landrover Discovery...Ugly?
Discussion
SWoll said:
How does this compare size/spec wise with RR Velar, as they both start at around £45k?
Quite a lot bigger - the Discovery is bigger than the Range Rover Sport I think.I couldn't tell you about spec without a brochure to hand. Also this is the same platform as the Range Rover I think, whereas Velar is Jaguar XE or XF
Jimmy Recard said:
SWoll said:
How does this compare size/spec wise with RR Velar, as they both start at around £45k?
Quite a lot bigger - the Discovery is bigger than the Range Rover Sport I think.I couldn't tell you about spec without a brochure to hand. Also this is the same platform as the Range Rover I think, whereas Velar is Jaguar XE or XF
Assuming seating 5 and minimal off-road ability is all 99% of buyers need then with the Velar being (subjectively) a lot more attractive and upmarket due to the RR badge I do wonder why people would choose the Discovery other than some sense of tradition? It made sense when the RRS was £20K more than the Discovery and the Evoque a lot smaller, but now?
Seven seats in the Discovery and generally more space I would think. 3500kg towing rating (I think they said the F-Pace was only 2400kg when I tried it). I don't know what the Velar will be but it'll be closer to that than 3500kg j would think. That's a big difference
ETA - I meant to say those things matter to me. The Velar might well be more attractive to most, but maybe there are enough out there who want those features
ETA - I meant to say those things matter to me. The Velar might well be more attractive to most, but maybe there are enough out there who want those features
Jimmy Recard said:
Seven seats in the Discovery and generally more space I would think. 3500kg towing rating (I think they said the F-Pace was only 2400kg when I tried it). I don't know what the Velar will be but it'll be closer to that than 3500kg j would think. That's a big difference
ETA - I meant to say those things matter to me. The Velar might well be more attractive to most, but maybe there are enough out there who want those features
I know what you mean, just that 7 seats seems a niche requirement and how many caravaner's are looking to spend £50k on a towing vehicle needing that capacity (3500kg) when most laden twin axle vans are only about half that?ETA - I meant to say those things matter to me. The Velar might well be more attractive to most, but maybe there are enough out there who want those features
I can see the Velar cannibalizing a lot of discovery sales but I'm not sure where taking the discovery upmarket wins them market share? Perhaps I'm way off but from the outside that's how it appears to me.
SWoll said:
I know what you mean, just that 7 seats seems a niche requirement and how many caravaner's are looking to spend £50k on a towing vehicle needing that capacity (3500kg) when most laden twin axle vans are only about half that?
I can see the Velar cannibalizing a lot of discovery sales but I'm not sure where taking the discovery upmarket wins them market share? Perhaps I'm way off but from the outside that's how it appears to me.
I agree - for most the Velar makes more sense as far as I can see. I'll wait and see - I expect Velar vs Discovery sales to reflect what you say.I can see the Velar cannibalizing a lot of discovery sales but I'm not sure where taking the discovery upmarket wins them market share? Perhaps I'm way off but from the outside that's how it appears to me.
North America might favour the Discovery. I'm not sure but it's a possibility
One of these would do what I want perfectly, but as a single man I don't really need seven seats! A long wheelbase Mitsubishi Shogun commercial might be more useful and would be a lot cheaper. Automatic gearbox and towing rating are all I really want
Not many people tow as many trailers of stone, timber, horses, cars or other odd things
Clivey said:
SWoll said:
How does this compare size/spec wise with RR Velar, as they both start at around £45k?
The Disco is much larger (especially bootspace) and is more capable off road. - 90 cm wading depth as standard and this much ground clearance when necessary:
SWoll said:
But as above, for how many people does off road ability or a wading depth of more than a few inches actually matter in the slightest? And if the velar is F-Pace based it's already the size of a mid-range exec such as the XF/5 Series/E Class inside with a bigger boot so more than big enough for most?
Not many...and not enough.For some, me included, the capability is the raison d'être; if I wasn't going to use it, I wouldn't put-up with the compromises (performance, weight, handling, fuel economy etc. etc.) that have to be made with a "proper" 4x4 compared to an estate car. That people buy 4x4s as school run machines when the furthest off-road they'll go is 2 wheels on the pavement is sheer stupidity and the fact that the manufacturers then alter the design of the vehicles to suit "yummy mummies" is infuriating when you're somone that wants to actually make use of, you know...a 4x4.
Venturist said:
Hoofy said:
Stupid question but are there two versions of the new Discovery? I swear I saw a more muscular looking one a few days before the white goods one?
I don't know about muscular, but Discovery Sport (previously Freelander) is what was launched last year ish and probably what you saw - now along with Discovery, to align with RR/RRS naming strategy. Clivey said:
Not many...and not enough.
For some, me included, the capability is the raison d'être; if I wasn't going to use it, I wouldn't put-up with the compromises (performance, weight, handling, fuel economy etc. etc.) that have to be made with a "proper" 4x4 compared to an estate car. That people buy 4x4s as school run machines when the furthest off-road they'll go is 2 wheels on the pavement is sheer stupidity and the fact that the manufacturers then alter the design of the vehicles to suit "yummy mummies" is infuriating when you're somone that wants to actually make use of, you know...a 4x4.
This. I'm pinning my hopes on the new Defender. For some, me included, the capability is the raison d'être; if I wasn't going to use it, I wouldn't put-up with the compromises (performance, weight, handling, fuel economy etc. etc.) that have to be made with a "proper" 4x4 compared to an estate car. That people buy 4x4s as school run machines when the furthest off-road they'll go is 2 wheels on the pavement is sheer stupidity and the fact that the manufacturers then alter the design of the vehicles to suit "yummy mummies" is infuriating when you're somone that wants to actually make use of, you know...a 4x4.
I've got a Disco4 and had a Disco3 before that. I wanted to buy a Disco5 but cannot bear the back end. JLR need to sort it out IMHO. For me I am now thinking of an XC90 or keeping mine longer and then downgrading to a Discovery Sport when I need less space.
PS Velar looks stunning and if they fully offset a square plate or centre set a regular plate then I would consider the Discovery5.
PS Velar looks stunning and if they fully offset a square plate or centre set a regular plate then I would consider the Discovery5.
EC2 said:
... if they fully offset a square plate or centre set a regular plate then I would consider the Discovery5.
It does look a bit odd and taste is obviously very subjective, however I find it a bit hard to believe that you would discount a capable vehicle for such a trivial detail (especially as you can only see it when looking at the rear!)You feel much more passionate about such details than I!
jhonn said:
EC2 said:
... if they fully offset a square plate or centre set a regular plate then I would consider the Discovery5.
It does look a bit odd and taste is obviously very subjective, however I find it a bit hard to believe that you would discount a capable vehicle for such a trivial detail (especially as you can only see it when looking at the rear!)You feel much more passionate about such details than I!
The backend looks grafted on. The distance between the rear arches and the back of the thing is just out of proportion to me. I've seen a fair few in the flesh now and I'm a great fan of the previous version, but whilst here are some nice touches on the New Disco, the proportions just jar badly and ruin the overall look.
From some angles it is fine, but from the side and rear 3/4 it's a bit of a mess imho. Shame as I was thinking of one as a family wagon, but the looks are really an issue for me. Not sure why, but they are. So it's either an XC90 or potentially the Velar. So it's not a total loss to JLR there!
From some angles it is fine, but from the side and rear 3/4 it's a bit of a mess imho. Shame as I was thinking of one as a family wagon, but the looks are really an issue for me. Not sure why, but they are. So it's either an XC90 or potentially the Velar. So it's not a total loss to JLR there!
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