Morgan / Peugeot whoopsie

Morgan / Peugeot whoopsie

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Vipers

32,799 posts

227 months

Thursday 20th April 2017
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Hoofy said:
I don't know why I haven't seen the video until today.

Anyway, the Peugeot could have slowed down. He had plenty of time to mash the horn.

judge
The Morgan could have looked.

carl_w

9,154 posts

257 months

Thursday 20th April 2017
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hondansx said:
If you are about to have a crash, it becomes instinctive - grip steering wheel for dear life and put the brake pedal through the floor.
Yet they introduced Emergency Brake Assist because in a significant number of accidents (10s of %s I think) analysis showed that full brake pressure hadn't been applied.

J4CKO

41,287 posts

199 months

Thursday 20th April 2017
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You would think Morgan drivers would be enthusiasts that can drive and avoid errant Peugeot drivers. you would think the value and waiting lift may engender a little bit more caution on the road to avoid Peugeots, as, and lets be frank, they are cars for morons who cant change a headlight bulb, after all, when did you last see one with two functioning ? if it had been anything else it may have braked but not a Pug.

Hoofy

76,253 posts

281 months

Thursday 20th April 2017
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Vipers said:
Hoofy said:
I don't know why I haven't seen the video until today.

Anyway, the Peugeot could have slowed down. He had plenty of time to mash the horn.

judge
The Morgan could have looked.
You don't expect people to look before crossing the road these days???

Vipers

32,799 posts

227 months

Thursday 20th April 2017
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Hoofy said:
You don't expect people to look before crossing the road these days???
Indeed. Our driving instructor in the forces told us, If your about to have an accident, stop. If your stationary, you can't have an accident, your only involved in an accident.

All said and done, the outcome could have been worse, even a fatality, thank god it wasn't.

Mad March Taffy

508 posts

118 months

Thursday 20th April 2017
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saaby93 said:
as anyone suggested that whats been put in place has made it safer?
No idea - but you would think that something must have prompted the change

DonkeyApple

54,927 posts

168 months

Friday 21st April 2017
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Mad March Taffy said:
saaby93 said:
as anyone suggested that whats been put in place has made it safer?
No idea - but you would think that something must have prompted the change
It would seem quite difficult to argue that those concrete traffic islands and metal poles dumped in the middle of what was previously the second lane are the safest means of marking the change?

clonmult

10,529 posts

208 months

Friday 21st April 2017
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DonkeyApple said:
Mad March Taffy said:
saaby93 said:
as anyone suggested that whats been put in place has made it safer?
No idea - but you would think that something must have prompted the change
It would seem quite difficult to argue that those concrete traffic islands and metal poles dumped in the middle of what was previously the second lane are the safest means of marking the change?
I used to go through there semi regularly, and people were always trying to overtake to gain a few valuable seconds on their journey home. Haven't been through since the revised layout, but the general state of driving through there is a good reason for change.

interloper

2,747 posts

254 months

Friday 21st April 2017
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DonkeyApple said:
It would seem quite difficult to argue that those concrete traffic islands and metal poles dumped in the middle of what was previously the second lane are the safest means of marking the change?
I think the idea is it becomes a safe refuge in the middle for some one turning right onto the carriage way. Also you only have to watch one lane at a time. ( unless you're in a Morgan and can't be bothered to look and wait).

saaby93

32,038 posts

177 months

Friday 21st April 2017
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clonmult said:
I used to go through there semi regularly, and people were always trying to overtake to gain a few valuable seconds on their journey home. Haven't been through since the revised layout, but the general state of driving through there is a good reason for change.
well yes that's what people do but so long as they do it safely and dont end up in a pileup it's ok
The question is, is it safer now?
This was a turning accident, not an overtaking. The morgan driver will have checked the first half the carriageway was ok before moving to the gap in the reservation. Once there he'll have looked and either not seen ( barrier in the way?) or misjudged the position of the pug. It looks as though after he's begun moving he's seen the pug and rather than stop across the lane decided to boot it, so he has probably minimised the resulting collision.
However the previous layout would have allowed some lane changing by either of them

Is it it safer now or as it was?




clonmult

10,529 posts

208 months

Friday 21st April 2017
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saaby93 said:
clonmult said:
I used to go through there semi regularly, and people were always trying to overtake to gain a few valuable seconds on their journey home. Haven't been through since the revised layout, but the general state of driving through there is a good reason for change.
well yes that's what people do but so long as they do it safely and dont end up in a pileup it's ok
The question is, is it safer now?
This was a turning accident, not an overtaking. The morgan driver will have checked the first half the carriageway was ok before moving to the gap in the reservation. Once there he'll have looked and either not seen ( barrier in the way?) or misjudged the position of the pug. It looks as though after he's begun moving he's seen the pug and rather than stop across the lane decided to boot it, so he has probably minimised the resulting collision.
However the previous layout would have allowed some lane changing by either of them

Is it it safer now or as it was?

The Morgan driver clearly didn't check the carriageway was clear, and totally misjudged the performance of their car too.

You could argue the safety improvements either way - I'd say that overall it is likely to be safer, as the majority of the traffic (over 99%) will be on the A30 - barely anyone will be coming off that side road used by the Morgan.

No doubt the layout will be changed several times over the coming years.

saaby93

32,038 posts

177 months

Friday 21st April 2017
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clonmult said:
You could argue the safety improvements either way - I'd say that overall it is likely to be safer, as the majority of the traffic (over 99%) will be on the A30 - barely anyone will be coming off that side road used by the Morgan.

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Isnt that true of all junctions though?

If there was no junction the traffic on the main road would have no issue
As soon as you have a junction, the joining traffic can give the main traffic a problem they need to be able to deal with

Is the layout there the best way of getting the joining traffic on board (assuming they'll make a mistake from time t time)
Or are there more resilient examples of similar junctions


paul789

3,676 posts

103 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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CYMR0 said:
Bennet said:
It's been interesting reading the three discussions on this topic.

It's a phenomenon seen on Pistonheads many times before. It seems to me that a certain subsection of forum members (and no doubt humankind in general) lack sufficient mental faculties to entertain two thoughts simultaneously.

In this example:
Thought 1 - it was primarily the Morgan's fault. He was the one breaking a fundamental rule of the road.
Thought 2 - the Peugeot could possibly have reduced or even narrowly avoided the collision altogether if they'd reacted differently.

Unfortunately, even though a great many posts express both sentiments simultaneously, some PH members just cannot hold #1 in their head and whilst processing #2. So you end up with selective quoting and obtuse responses hammering on about a point the first poster was already demonstrably in agreement with in the preceding sentence.

I believe it's for this reason that everyone from politicians to biscuit companies have to go to such embarrassing lengths to express their thoughts in very clear, simple terms when dealing with any kind of sensitive or inflammatory subject - because the intellectually stunted cannot process complex lines of argument comprising of more than one idea.
I understand where you're coming from, but ultimately I'm not sure how helpful it would be to suggest that, with the benefit of hindsight, it is to point out that the Peugeot could have done things differently. If we are applying hindsight, don't buy a 206 at all! Yes, it's good to drive defensively, but the reality is that most people don't and won't when the brown stuff hits the spinny thing. That includes me, in all likelihood. A lot of the tone seems to focus on what the Peugeot could have done and normalises that kind of exceptional response and even expects it, hence the implicit criticism (and the response of others pushing back on that criticism).
From the pugs perspective you have to add in the, 'no way is he pulling out, considering my position and speed, no fickin way' shock factor.

VGTICE

1,003 posts

86 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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Those who say Pug driver could have done something differently forget that if he did that he would have most likely crashed into the road sign or went off road. Which would mean from insurance point of view this would have been their fault. If I had an option to avoid someone and crash on my own or not avoid them I'd always go for the latter.

Vipers

32,799 posts

227 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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VGTICE said:
Those who say Pug driver could have done something differently forget that if he did that he would have most likely crashed into the road sign or went off road. Which would mean from insurance point of view this would have been their fault. If I had an option to avoid someone and crash on my own or not avoid them I'd always go for the latter.
Easy to say sitting here on the keyboard. When a car pulls out in front of you, there isn't much you can do in that few seconds except try to stop.

Those who think they could have something differently ask your self, could your girlfriend or OH have done anything about it.

We can analyse it to doomsday, at the end of the day the Morgan made an almighty cock up, and lived to tell the tale, fortunately.

tin duck dave

167 posts

127 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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well yes that's what people do but so long as they do it safely and dont end up in a pileup it's ok
The question is, is it safer now?
This was a turning accident, not an overtaking. The morgan driver will have checked the first half the carriageway was ok before moving to the gap in the reservation. Once there he'll have looked and either not seen ( barrier in the way?) or misjudged the position of the pug. It looks as though after he's begun moving he's seen the pug and rather than stop across the lane decided to boot it, so he has probably minimised the resulting collision.
However the previous layout would have allowed some lane changing by either of them

Is it it safer now or as it was?



Did you enjoy the rest of your weekend in the Morgan apart from the end. Assume it was you as you seem determined to minimise blame on the Morgan driver.

Hatson

2,032 posts

121 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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If I'd been driving the Morgan and pulled this stunt I'd have had the gas pedal on the floor, one eye on the mirror, buttocks clenched and into the hatched lane I would have gone whilst holding my hand up in apology. I know this from experience.

Mr GrimNasty

8,172 posts

169 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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Vipers said:
Easy to say sitting here on the keyboard. When a car pulls out in front of you, there isn't much you can do in that few seconds except try to stop.

Those who think they could have something differently ask your self, could your girlfriend or OH have done anything about it.

We can analyse it to doomsday, at the end of the day the Morgan made an almighty cock up, and lived to tell the tale, fortunately.
Absolute nonsense, it was an easy avoidance, think otherwise, take some lessons or get off the road.

DoubleD

22,154 posts

107 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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Very easily avoided if the morgan guy hadnt pulled out in front of the Peugeot

saaby93

32,038 posts

177 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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tin duck dave said:
saaby93 said:
well yes that's what people do but so long as they do it safely and dont end up in a pileup it's ok
The question is, is it safer now?
This was a turning accident, not an overtaking. The morgan driver will have checked the first half the carriageway was ok before moving to the gap in the reservation. Once there he'll have looked and either not seen ( barrier in the way?) or misjudged the position of the pug. It looks as though after he's begun moving he's seen the pug and rather than stop across the lane decided to boot it, so he has probably minimised the resulting collision.
However the previous layout would have allowed some lane changing by either of them

Is it it safer now or as it was?
Did you enjoy the rest of your weekend in the Morgan apart from the end. Assume it was you as you seem determined to minimise blame on the Morgan driver.
I havent blamed anyone -has anyone involved done it on purpose?
Besides blame doesnt get us anywhere. Next time it happens it'll be easy to blame someone else
Instead try to look at why someone made a mistake and why someone else wasnt able to avoid
What could reduce the chances of it happening again?