Morgan / Peugeot whoopsie

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TimmyMallett said:

That Peugeot didn't brake at all. Very strange.

The Peugeot has his brakes applied for literally the entire time it was in the video - from the moment it entered the frame until the moment the driver stepped out.

[TimmyMallett]

If the Peugeot driver failed to brake at all ( i cant see any sign of the front of the car dipping or the forward motion slowing before impact), I'd consider that to have contributed to the severity of the argument, and you could also consider that if that was the case, then I'd start to wonder why he didn't brake. Which might suggest there are 2 possibilities, one, the driver was distracted, which goes down the road of a driving standard below that what would be expected, or, they were not distracted, therefore deliberately didn't brake. Which is worse.

Either way, the Morgan driver was liable, i don't think anyone is arguing that, but tonking along at NSL through a split junction like that with a number of cars and pedestrians waiting to cross/pull out is asking for trouble. It wouldn't be hard to just slow down a bit. Mind you, he may well have slowed prior to the junction, it's impossible to tell speed from that.


All imho.

Edited by TimmyMallett on Monday 17th April 17:31

[brianashley]

TimmyMallett said:

That Peugeot didn't brake at all. Very strange.

Whatever it did , it did it badly. If the morgan had been a car with kids in the back.more would be blaming the driver for not driving with enough care . What is important is how the insurance companies /police will look at it .
And what a cool yeti !

[daveinhampshire]

TimmyMallett said:

If the Peugeot driver failed to brake at all ( i cant see any sign of the front of the car dipping or the forward motion slowing before impact), I'd consider that to have contributed to the severity of the argument, and you could also consider that if that was the case, then I'd start to wonder why he didn't brake. Which might suggest there are 2 possibilities, one, the driver was distracted, which goes down the road of a driving standard below that what would be expected, or, they were not distracted, therefore deliberately didn't brake. Which is worse.

Either way, the Morgan driver was liable, i don't think anyone is arguing that, but tonking along at NSL through a split junction like that with a number of cars and pedestrians waiting to cross/pull out is asking for trouble. It wouldn't be hard to just slow down a bit. Mind you, he may well have slowed prior to the junction, it's impossible to tell speed from that.


All imho.

Edited by TimmyMallett on Monday 17th April 17:31

His brake lights are on at all times, this is a old small hatch, the brakes are not made by Brembo

[TimmyMallett]

I take all that back. I'm going blind.

[tonyb1968]

daveinhampshire said:

TimmyMallett said:

If the Peugeot driver failed to brake at all ( i cant see any sign of the front of the car dipping or the forward motion slowing before impact), I'd consider that to have contributed to the severity of the argument, and you could also consider that if that was the case, then I'd start to wonder why he didn't brake. Which might suggest there are 2 possibilities, one, the driver was distracted, which goes down the road of a driving standard below that what would be expected, or, they were not distracted, therefore deliberately didn't brake. Which is worse.

Either way, the Morgan driver was liable, i don't think anyone is arguing that, but tonking along at NSL through a split junction like that with a number of cars and pedestrians waiting to cross/pull out is asking for trouble. It wouldn't be hard to just slow down a bit. Mind you, he may well have slowed prior to the junction, it's impossible to tell speed from that.


All imho.

Edited by TimmyMallett on Monday 17th April 17:31

His brake lights are on at all times, this is a old small hatch, the brakes are not made by Brembo

Exactly, and the tyres wont be the same make or quality as the factory fitted ones, probably also lacks ABS and the suspension is probably a little worn too.....

[Cold]

TimmyMallett said:

I take all that back. I'm going blind.

You are a Morgan driver AICMFP.

[carl_w]

Could have been a proper disaster if the Pug had ridden up the back of the Moggie in the same manner as Pierre Levegh/Lance Macklin.

[Muddle238]

Is it worth asking the question, what if it had been the Peugeot pulling out infront of the Morgan? If the two cars had switched places, would we be seeing a different response on PH?

I have a feeling there's a certain amount of Peugeot-bashing going on here in order to attempt to preserve the status of the more-PH popular car, despite that car being at fault.

Both cars had a role to play, had both stayed at home that day there wouldn't have been a crash. However only one of those cars had to change their actions, to ensure that beyond any reasonable doubt that there wouldn't have been a crash or even a close call.

[The Vambo]

Cold said:

TimmyMallett said:

I take all that back. I'm going blind.

You are a Morgan driver AICMFP.

[everyeggabird]

Mercury00 said:

This is why pensioners shouldn't be allowed on the roads.

Are you referring to the Morgan.

[PositronicRay]

Muddle238 said:

Both cars had a role to play, had both stayed at home that day there wouldn't have been a crash.

Listen to yourself.

[Warby80]

I dont think it is bashing the Peugeot driver to suggest he wasnt braking as hard as was necessary, especially given it has been proven that a huge amount of people dont brake hard enough to even trigger Abs in an emergency situation. But, even something like a 206 will stop pretty quickly on a dry straight road given a proper stamp on the brakes.

Again, that doesnt excuse the fact that the Morgan caused the accident by pulling out when it wasnt clear.

[Loyly]

PositronicRay said:

Muddle238 said:

Both cars had a role to play, had both stayed at home that day there wouldn't have been a crash.

Listen to yourself.

I wish the goons hadn't closed the cringe thread, some of the stuff in this thread would have made enjoyable reading there.

[daveinhampshire]

Warby80 said:

I dont think it is bashing the Peugeot driver to suggest he wasnt braking as hard as was necessary, especially given it has been proven that a huge amount of people dont brake hard enough to even trigger Abs in an emergency situation. But, even something like a 206 will stop pretty quickly on a dry straight road given a proper stamp on the brakes.

Again, that doesnt excuse the fact that the Morgan caused the accident by pulling out when it wasnt clear.

You don't know how hard he was braking, he could have had his foot in the engine bay at that point, pure guess work on your part. What we do know is a slow moving pile of kindling wood got in the Pug's way, that is a fact. Stop labouring a petty point.

[anonymous-user]

Morgan driver was a clown and shouldn't have pulled out, they're 3 threads of this nonsense.

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[66mpg]

The first time I watched the video I thought the driver of the Morgan had made a very poor decision to drive into the path of the Peugeot. Having watched it several times I still think that but I also wonder why the driver of the Peugeot didn't steer into the hatched area that was formerly lane 2 of the dual carriageway to buy themself more space to slow down. My guess is that the Peugeot driver suffered a form of target fixation and just locked their vision on the Morgan and the rest is history.

[Hainey]

66mpg said:

The first time I watched the video I thought the driver of the Morgan had made a very poor decision to drive into the path of the Peugeot. Having watched it several times I still think that but I also wonder why the driver of the Peugeot didn't steer into the hatched area that was formerly lane 2 of the dual carriageway to buy themself more space to slow down. My guess is that the Peugeot driver suffered a form of target fixation and just locked their vision on the Morgan and the rest is history.

Because that area wil be full of grit and detrius, the laws of kinetic friction will apply to the surface which will have a massively lower coefficient of friction than the well used highway they are travelling in, add in the average drivers slalom skils under duress and guess what happens next?

Peugeot driver has an accident, Morgan driver skips off into the distance as he has no reason to stop (in his head) and Peugeot driver gets to claim their insurance for an accident that 100% wasn't their fault.

[Vipers]

66mpg said:

The first time I watched the video I thought the driver of the Morgan had made a very poor decision to drive into the path of the Peugeot. Having watched it several times I still think that but I also wonder why the driver of the Peugeot didn't steer into the hatched area that was formerly lane 2 of the dual carriageway to buy themself more space to slow down. My guess is that the Peugeot driver suffered a form of target fixation and just locked their vision on the Morgan and the rest is history.

In the hatched area is a bloody big road sign. See the other thread on this, will find and add here.


https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Edited by Vipers on Monday 17th April 21:52

[SteveSteveson]

66mpg said:

The first time I watched the video I thought the driver of the Morgan had made a very poor decision to drive into the path of the Peugeot. Having watched it several times I still think that but I also wonder why the driver of the Peugeot didn't steer into the hatched area that was formerly lane 2 of the dual carriageway to buy themself more space to slow down. My guess is that the Peugeot driver suffered a form of target fixation and just locked their vision on the Morgan and the rest is history.

Unless the Peugeot Dakar drivers got a really st deal with their company cars or there's an F1 driver with a bizarre fetish for cheap French hatchbacks then there is no way the driver was going to make that swerve. At best they would end up taking out that bollard and at worst hitting the central reservation and either flipping or ending up in oncoming traffic, but there is no way a normal average driver (or even a PH driving god) is going to make that 1 second gap at that speed, especially during an emergency stop.