RE: BMW M4 CS - official

[MFR_TT]

Instant classic.

[D200]

epom said:

Ok, what I was trying to say was.....the 22B was not just another 2 door jap import with a chip or a map and a few trinkets thrown at it. Unlike the above M4 with '£30k' of extras. That it was the point I was trying to make. Whether or not you liked it when you drove it or whether or not McCrae paid for his (which wasn't a comment I expected to cause so much concern just threw it in there tbh) is neither here nor there. It was an actual 'special' edition. The M4 CS is not.

Edited to add, Buying a 911R is quite an easy process now too, once prepared to pay the money.

Edited by epom on Thursday 20th April 14:31

The 22Bb had flared arches, wasn’t any faster than a STi 5 or better handling but actually a bit worse on UKs bumpy roads. It looked super cool and was twice the price.

At the time the reviews said it’s not worth the money over a cooking one. Percentage price increase over an STI it was much more than the M4 CS

And incidentally I consistently said I think the M4 CS is massively overpriced.

And I also said its doesnt take a genius to work this out.

And lots of other cars are massively overpriced also, it’s the new thing – overcharge people for stuff, they will want it more

So why even comment

But this is ph so expected the expected repeatedly!


And no, buying a 911R isn’t an easy process like a 22B or M4 CS even

You cannot go to a Porsche dealer and just buy one at list – or close to list - adding 5k would be acceptable I think to jump queue. Maybe on a 911 like this 10k

But the 911R listed at 140k [or so] you need to give you friendly Porsche dealer 500k so approx. a 350% price increase – so completely incomparable! It would be the same as paying 140k for a new 22B in 1998.

My friend bought the 22B for list price give or take. He never previously bought a new Subaru – or any new car actually. Went to the dealer, bought a 22B, end of story

[p1stonhead]

MFR_TT said:

Instant classic of the Seriously Overpriced Cars thread.

EFA

[vz-r_dave]

p1stonhead said:

MFR_TT said:

Instant classic of the Seriously Overpriced Cars thread.

EFA

The last classic BMW was the E46 CSL, there has not been one after that and this one is far from it, same goes for the GTS.

[Ruskins]

s2000db said:

I test drove one, and tbh couldn't wait to get out of it...

It had a horrible longitudinal/diagonal pitching over smallish bumps, and the interior isn't a nice place to be compared to a M4, however the steering was very nice..

• Insert Alfa Romeo vs German Cliches Here**

I am surprised by this as literally none of the QV reviews have mentioned hard ride, especially in comparison to the M4, did you have the car in Dynamic without the soft dampers set?

[epom]

D200 said:

epom said:

Ok, what I was trying to say was.....the 22B was not just another 2 door jap import with a chip or a map and a few trinkets thrown at it. Unlike the above M4 with '£30k' of extras. That it was the point I was trying to make. Whether or not you liked it when you drove it or whether or not McCrae paid for his (which wasn't a comment I expected to cause so much concern just threw it in there tbh) is neither here nor there. It was an actual 'special' edition. The M4 CS is not.

Edited to add, Buying a 911R is quite an easy process now too, once prepared to pay the money.

Edited by epom on Thursday 20th April 14:31

The 22Bb had flared arches, wasn’t any faster than a STi 5 or better handling but actually a bit worse on UKs bumpy roads. It looked super cool and was twice the price.

At the time the reviews said it’s not worth the money over a cooking one. Percentage price increase over an STI it was much more than the M4 CS

And incidentally I consistently said I think the M4 CS is massively overpriced.

And I also said its doesnt take a genius to work this out.

And lots of other cars are massively overpriced also, it’s the new thing – overcharge people for stuff, they will want it more

So why even comment

But this is ph so expected the expected repeatedly!


And no, buying a 911R isn’t an easy process like a 22B or M4 CS even

You cannot go to a Porsche dealer and just buy one at list – or close to list - adding 5k would be acceptable I think to jump queue. Maybe on a 911 like this 10k

But the 911R listed at 140k [or so] you need to give you friendly Porsche dealer 500k so approx. a 350% price increase – so completely incomparable! It would be the same as paying 140k for a new 22B in 1998.

My friend bought the 22B for list price give or take. He never previously bought a new Subaru – or any new car actually. Went to the dealer, bought a 22B, end of story

I'm going to let this go, as this thread is about the BMW.

[D200]

epom said:

I'm going to let this go, as this thread is about the BMW.

Phew

[Timbergiant]

I like the colour, carbon diffuser, splitter and the bonnet is nice but the rest (including the price) is a no thanks.

[Peanus]

£90k and the ceramic brakes are optional

[gubsta]

Ruskins said:

s2000db said:

I test drove one, and tbh couldn't wait to get out of it...

It had a horrible longitudinal/diagonal pitching over smallish bumps, and the interior isn't a nice place to be compared to a M4, however the steering was very nice..

• Insert Alfa Romeo vs German Cliches Here**

I am surprised by this as literally none of the QV reviews have mentioned hard ride, especially in comparison to the M4, did you have the car in Dynamic without the soft dampers set?

I test drive one this week back to back with the BMW. I am now obsessed with the Alfa... It was honestly spectacular to drive. The BM was dull and left me cold by comparison... yes the BM interior was a little better - but the Alfa was nice with the double stitched leather and the carbon inserts. Certainly didn't feel cheap.

Ride was very controlled with bumpy road mode engaged and I had a good 40 min drive taking in some horrible country back roads as well as usual fast a-roads...

[amare32]

You would be better getting a nicely used standard car and spend the rest on coke and hookers PH Director style. Probably more memorable and fun

[VGTICE]

amare32 said:

You would be better getting a nicely used standard car and spend the rest on coke and hookers PH Director style. Probably more memorable and fun

Or better yet, use uber premium service then you could do all 3 at the same time.

[FN2TypeR]

I'd rather have a Porsche 911 even if it would likely be less well specced, that's seriously steep money for an M4 - too much in my opinion.

That colour is superb, however.

[s m]

BFleming said:

Also, wasn't there an E46 330i Club Sport first, possibly around 2002? https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=63...

They also did Club Sports in E36 format

[mikey P 500]

Agree looks exspencive, but to be fair I think the club sport versions of all German cars are always exspencive for what they are. Like it is a premium to have the OEM modify your car for you because you don't have the knowledge to do it your self with aftermarket parts and solutions.

[ZesPak]

gubsta said:

Ruskins said:

s2000db said:

I test drove one, and tbh couldn't wait to get out of it...

It had a horrible longitudinal/diagonal pitching over smallish bumps, and the interior isn't a nice place to be compared to a M4, however the steering was very nice..

• Insert Alfa Romeo vs German Cliches Here**

I am surprised by this as literally none of the QV reviews have mentioned hard ride, especially in comparison to the M4, did you have the car in Dynamic without the soft dampers set?

I test drive one this week back to back with the BMW. I am now obsessed with the Alfa... It was honestly spectacular to drive. The BM was dull and left me cold by comparison... yes the BM interior was a little better - but the Alfa was nice with the double stitched leather and the carbon inserts. Certainly didn't feel cheap.

Ride was very controlled with bumpy road mode engaged and I had a good 40 min drive taking in some horrible country back roads as well as usual fast a-roads...

1. From all the reviews I've read so far, the Alfa is both more comfortable AND more engaging to drive...
2. As for the person saying "the BMW won't break down" What colour is the sky where you live? Almost all performance cars can break down, and when they do it's going to be expensive. To "know" now that BMW (one of the most unreliable brands fyi) will break down less than the Alfa?
3. Interior plastics. Probably true. It's also one of my key deciding factors when I buy a 500 bhp saloon.
4. Residuals: if you honestly believe your M3/M4/RS4/C63 will retain it's value better, you're in for a shocker.

So to sum up: most of what you say is unfounded, and believing everybody who has ever driven one, you should get the Alfa if you're interested in the engine, performance or feel of the car. You should get the BMW if you like to stroke soft-touch interior trim (or you just really want a BMW).

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/big-reads/alfa-ro...

[foresterlad]

I think 90k is unlikely to be a price that will hold up very long
BMW seem prone to discounting about 6months into a new model.I well remember buying
A new E46 CSL which had been sitting in a dealers window at £62 k for somewhere in the high
40's.My current CP M3 was also heavily discounted and despite the implied limitations on production I expect the CS will be much the same

[WCZ]

foresterlad said:

I think 90k is unlikely to be a price that will hold up very long
BMW seem prone to discounting about 6months into a new model.I well remember buying
A new E46 CSL which had been sitting in a dealers window at £62 k for somewhere in the high
40's.My current CP M3 was also heavily discounted and despite the implied limitations on production I expect the CS will be much the same

all sold already iirc

[Curv3hunter]

Any long term owner experience? These are starting to look more of a viable option now they have dropped into the 60's.

Do we know how many were sold in the UK. Seem to be a few pre reg sitting at dealers with minimal miles.

[Curv3hunter]

Just came to this thread to ask about ownership experience. Only to find I asked the same question a year ago.

Still tyre kicking. They seem good value. What would be a sensible price to pay for a fully loaded one. I e. Ceramics etc with close to 10k miles on?