RE: Corvette Grand Sport v. 911 GTS: Time for Tea
Discussion
SidewaysSi said:
Good comparison. Thrown the Exige 380 Cup on there and that would be a tough choice in the £75-90K range. Of course the Porsche would probably be a lot more expensive once you add a few options.
For fun, I specced a 911 GTS on the Porsche configurator. 121K. Without PCCB or PDK.Scary money for a "regular" 911. I remember the GT2 being around that price some time ago.
jayemm89 said:
For fun, I specced a 911 GTS on the Porsche configurator. 121K. Without PCCB or PDK.
Scary money for a "regular" 911. I remember the GT2 being around that price some time ago.
The further you go up the Porsche 911 tree the more you are paying for the emperor's clothes. The RS is a classic Porsche of how less is more ... and they charge you put stuff back in!Scary money for a "regular" 911. I remember the GT2 being around that price some time ago.
The C2S secondhand and well optioned up is the one - preferably a NA
Given how many on here would "buy the 'vette", I wonder why you see so few about. I suspect it's because it is a bit of an unknown quantity quality/ depreciation wise, and it is a bit....well....schoolboy in its appeal. I do think the 911 is a bit duller than it was, but sit in one and it is a very nice place to be. The reality is people tend to buy Porsches because they are a known quantity, they are generally very well put together, and most aren't used on the track, GTSs included. If I was going to spend £90k on a track car, I'd get a Cayman GT4 recognising I'd be paying over list.
Robert-nszl1 said:
Given how many on here would "buy the 'vette", I wonder why you see so few about. I suspect it's because it is a bit of an unknown quantity quality/ depreciation wise, and it is a bit....well....schoolboy in its appeal. I do think the 911 is a bit duller than it was, but sit in one and it is a very nice place to be. The reality is people tend to buy Porsches because they are a known quantity, they are generally very well put together, and most aren't used on the track, GTSs included. If I was going to spend £90k on a track car, I'd get a Cayman GT4 recognising I'd be paying over list.
I'd think it's more to do with no RHD Corvettes than anything. Look at the Mustang. Quite rare when you were importing a LHD model, sold out the allocation of RHDs and you see them all the time now.
London424 said:
Robert-nszl1 said:
Given how many on here would "buy the 'vette", I wonder why you see so few about. I suspect it's because it is a bit of an unknown quantity quality/ depreciation wise, and it is a bit....well....schoolboy in its appeal. I do think the 911 is a bit duller than it was, but sit in one and it is a very nice place to be. The reality is people tend to buy Porsches because they are a known quantity, they are generally very well put together, and most aren't used on the track, GTSs included. If I was going to spend £90k on a track car, I'd get a Cayman GT4 recognising I'd be paying over list.
I'd think it's more to do with no RHD Corvettes than anything. Look at the Mustang. Quite rare when you were importing a LHD model, sold out the allocation of RHDs and you see them all the time now.
Hopefully some other American manufacturers will see the success of the Mustang over here and start selling their cars in right hand drive. I'd imagine a sensibly priced RHD Corvette would sell like hot cakes.
I'd often go months without seeing an American car, now there are 3 Mustangs within a few miles of my house and they look fantastic, a real refreshing change from most of the anonymous European and Japanese cars, so if you make it RHD and price it right, they will sell.
I'd imagine a Corvette in RHD and priced to undercut a 911 would do really well.
I'd imagine a Corvette in RHD and priced to undercut a 911 would do really well.
Guvernator said:
I'd often go months without seeing an American car, now there are 3 Mustangs within a few miles of my house and they look fantastic, a real refreshing change from most of the anonymous European and Japanese cars, so if you make it RHD and price it right, they will sell.
I'd imagine a Corvette in RHD and priced to undercut a 911 would do really well.
Point taken re lhd, and indeed dealer support. On that latter point, the uncertain future of GM in Europe hardly inspires confidence. But I would argue you rarely see a Corvette anywhere in Europe, let alone the UK. Ford has got it right with the Mustang because of the price, so a very cheap Corvette would be more interesting, but no more than that.I'd imagine a Corvette in RHD and priced to undercut a 911 would do really well.
Those that bemoan Porsche for being 'dull' aren't really right. They are just ubiquitous, and familiarity does breed contempt. They are very good cars indeed, and I'd say still look taut as a design. People don't criticise Lotus for well sorted chassis, and that is what Porsche also produce. They don't oversteer like a front engined/ rear drive car because generally speaking you end up in a ditch in a 911 if you provoke them too much. Even a 991.
I'm very glad GM has moved the game on, but it would appear I'm in the minority here. My money is in Stuttgart
And look, one of those Youtube chappies has just bought one of those Corvette's. I must admit it does look very good in his spec. I even like the interior
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmZ8MpqOFCQ
Archie Hamilton's Dad by the way own's a rather nice classics business under the same name
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmZ8MpqOFCQ
Archie Hamilton's Dad by the way own's a rather nice classics business under the same name
Robert-nszl1 said:
Guvernator said:
I'd often go months without seeing an American car, now there are 3 Mustangs within a few miles of my house and they look fantastic, a real refreshing change from most of the anonymous European and Japanese cars, so if you make it RHD and price it right, they will sell.
I'd imagine a Corvette in RHD and priced to undercut a 911 would do really well.
Point taken re lhd, and indeed dealer support. On that latter point, the uncertain future of GM in Europe hardly inspires confidence. But I would argue you rarely see a Corvette anywhere in Europe, let alone the UK. Ford has got it right with the Mustang because of the price, so a very cheap Corvette would be more interesting, but no more than that.I'd imagine a Corvette in RHD and priced to undercut a 911 would do really well.
Those that bemoan Porsche for being 'dull' aren't really right. They are just ubiquitous, and familiarity does breed contempt. They are very good cars indeed, and I'd say still look taut as a design. People don't criticise Lotus for well sorted chassis, and that is what Porsche also produce. They don't oversteer like a front engined/ rear drive car because generally speaking you end up in a ditch in a 911 if you provoke them too much. Even a 991.
I'm very glad GM has moved the game on, but it would appear I'm in the minority here. My money is in Stuttgart
Love this type of muscle car but LHD, GM dealers, size (as in width 185.1 v 196.6 according car&driver), quality and reliability means I'd go for the Porsche as well (but C2S s/h). I'll wouldn't seriously track either car since you will end up with big bills.
Disagree with the 991 grip - it understeers if you push it (quelled with trail-braking) and goes into controllable oversteer otherwise in my hands at least (C2S and Turbo version) even with PASM turned off.
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