I love my car, but worth dying for.....?
Discussion
wack said:
There have been numerous examples of people being killed , at Liverpool airport an old boy was dropping a family member off, got out to help with the bag and somebody got in , he stood in front of the car and they just ran him over killing him instantly
1/2 the problem is lenient sentences when they do catch them , I'm regularly astounded at the cop shows when Jamie theakston updates us with the sentences handed out after watching some scumbag drive at 80 in a 30 up the path and across parks to get away.
I've always thought it's strange that, if you wanted to bump someone off, doing it drunk without insurance or a license in a car would probably only get you 2 years!1/2 the problem is lenient sentences when they do catch them , I'm regularly astounded at the cop shows when Jamie theakston updates us with the sentences handed out after watching some scumbag drive at 80 in a 30 up the path and across parks to get away.
Its just a car.
Thats what it comes down to.
Ive been lucky enough to have some nice cars (and a whole host of s
t ones to be fair!) but id someone wants to break in to my house to steal the keys for it - the keys are readily available.
What i dont want is someone walking about upstairs where my son is asleep trying to find the keys.
Sounds like the person who did this really was a prized ***t - running over someone once is bad enough, but sounds like it was more than once.
Thats what it comes down to.
Ive been lucky enough to have some nice cars (and a whole host of s
t ones to be fair!) but id someone wants to break in to my house to steal the keys for it - the keys are readily available.What i dont want is someone walking about upstairs where my son is asleep trying to find the keys.
Sounds like the person who did this really was a prized ***t - running over someone once is bad enough, but sounds like it was more than once.
This is a heinous crime and I hope that the sentence sends the right message. When I had a Golf R I often got attention from idiots and I was never sure whether it was appreciation of the car, a desire to race, jealousy or a more worrying concern. I have never had this with any other car including some much more "exotic" machinery. I debadged it completely although clearly the quad pipes still gave it away.
Obviously you should be able to buy whatever you like but it really does seem that these kind of cars are attracting a lot of unwanted attention. Unlike the Sierra Cosworths of years gone by they still seem to have low insurance premiums, which is odd. Mine cost me around £200/yr.
Obviously you should be able to buy whatever you like but it really does seem that these kind of cars are attracting a lot of unwanted attention. Unlike the Sierra Cosworths of years gone by they still seem to have low insurance premiums, which is odd. Mine cost me around £200/yr.
DocSteve said:
This is a heinous crime and I hope that the sentence sends the right message. When I had a Golf R I often got attention from idiots and I was never sure whether it was appreciation of the car, a desire to race, jealousy or a more worrying concern. I have never had this with any other car including some much more "exotic" machinery. I debadged it completely although clearly the quad pipes still gave it away.
Obviously you should be able to buy whatever you like but it really does seem that these kind of cars are attracting a lot of unwanted attention. Unlike the Sierra Cosworths of years gone by they still seem to have low insurance premiums, which is odd. Mine cost me around £200/yr.
I suppose it is anything they view as attainable, i.e. they know that potentially, realistically they could own one where say a 911 Turbo is a bit of a stretch if you are a knuckle dragging cretin with sObviously you should be able to buy whatever you like but it really does seem that these kind of cars are attracting a lot of unwanted attention. Unlike the Sierra Cosworths of years gone by they still seem to have low insurance premiums, which is odd. Mine cost me around £200/yr.
t for brains, though a few seem to have managed a Golf R of late judging by some of the driving I have seen.I know its probably not this simple but if I were going to be nicking something for a joy ride, I would go for the 911 Turbo, "May as well get caught for a sheep as a Lamb" is the phrase, they probably have sexual fantasies about big Maureen from the local flat roof rather than Hollywood leading ladies if things need to be within the realms of possibility.
I've been a victim of this too. They kicked in the front door of my house and threatened me with knives and apparently a gun although I didn't see anything. They were between me and my dad who is elderly and fragile. They wanted the keys to my car so I handed them over, it's insured and tracked so I'm not risking my dad's life or my own over it. The eventually started it (they couldn't figure out how to until I told them) drove off. It was found the next day via the tracker with a few minor marks on the paintwork that were sorted out. No other damage except for some pulled out interior trim where they were looking for the tracker. It made the local news and papers.
I've heard that the gang involved were caught a few months later although there's obviously more out there. A group of men snooping around my car in the early hours were spotted and scared off by my neighbour a few weeks ago.
I've heard that the gang involved were caught a few months later although there's obviously more out there. A group of men snooping around my car in the early hours were spotted and scared off by my neighbour a few weeks ago.
Uncle John said:
Wowsers!
How did you convey that in the heat of a very stty moment?
I was barricading the door as they were trying to get back in to get me to come out and start it. I politely declined their request for obvious reasons. They then threatened to smash the house windows if I didn't tell them. Given the options I had I decided to tell them quite clearly. Still took them several tries to get it started though.How did you convey that in the heat of a very s
tty moment?DocSteve said:
This is a heinous crime and I hope that the sentence sends the right message. When I had a Golf R I often got attention from idiots and I was never sure whether it was appreciation of the car, a desire to race, jealousy or a more worrying concern. I have never had this with any other car including some much more "exotic" machinery. I debadged it completely although clearly the quad pipes still gave it away.
Obviously you should be able to buy whatever you like but it really does seem that these kind of cars are attracting a lot of unwanted attention. Unlike the Sierra Cosworths of years gone by they still seem to have low insurance premiums, which is odd. Mine cost me around £200/yr.
Golf Rs and Audi S/RS models afford a degree of anonymity. They can blend in to other traffic more readily to get away. They also have plenty of load space for any ram raiding or burglary they decide to do on the same night. Same with high performance SUVs like the Range Rover V8s, X5Ms etc. Conversely, saloon and coupe theft seems to be a lot lower as a result. They may be scum but they're not your typical 90s joy riders. They don't want attention and know that driving around in a brightly coloured exotic or rare car will get them spotted. Obviously you should be able to buy whatever you like but it really does seem that these kind of cars are attracting a lot of unwanted attention. Unlike the Sierra Cosworths of years gone by they still seem to have low insurance premiums, which is odd. Mine cost me around £200/yr.
Edited by Ali_T on Tuesday 25th April 18:42
cj2013 said:
wack said:
There have been numerous examples of people being killed , at Liverpool airport an old boy was dropping a family member off, got out to help with the bag and somebody got in , he stood in front of the car and they just ran him over killing him instantly
1/2 the problem is lenient sentences when they do catch them , I'm regularly astounded at the cop shows when Jamie theakston updates us with the sentences handed out after watching some scumbag drive at 80 in a 30 up the path and across parks to get away.
I've always thought it's strange that, if you wanted to bump someone off, doing it drunk without insurance or a license in a car would probably only get you 2 years!1/2 the problem is lenient sentences when they do catch them , I'm regularly astounded at the cop shows when Jamie theakston updates us with the sentences handed out after watching some scumbag drive at 80 in a 30 up the path and across parks to get away.
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/suspected-bur...
Ignore the "2.7 litre" thing, this turned out to be a stolen UK reg S3......dispicable
Ignore the "2.7 litre" thing, this turned out to be a stolen UK reg S3......dispicable
Cainey said:
Uncle John said:
Wowsers!
How did you convey that in the heat of a very stty moment?
I was barricading the door as they were trying to get back in to get me to come out and start it. I politely declined their request for obvious reasons. They then threatened to smash the house windows if I didn't tell them. Given the options I had I decided to tell them quite clearly. Still took them several tries to get it started though.How did you convey that in the heat of a very s
tty moment?Yipper said:
aspecto said:
DUMBO100 said:
Speaking my insurance company today, who suggested car keys should be kept away from the doors to the house and in a safe upstairs if possible. Condolences to the family
I always thought the general rule was to not hide the keys away upstairs. If someone breaks in to your house, they are clearly determined to find the keys. I know that i would want them in my house as little time as possible, so the quicker they find the keys the better. The last thing you want is someone coming upstairs where you and your family are sleeping searching for car keys.If you don't own a garage or a gated driveway, surely the best option to prevent your pride and joy being stolen is to invest in a disklok and OBD disabling software / hardware. It might just be enough to make them think twice about stealing your car.
I have had this done on my car, so the OBD port no longer works without a connector as it has been re-wired internally. Stops them from programming a new key in less than 30 seconds.
or as many locked doors as feasible!Hungrymc said:
DUMBO100 said:
Speaking my insurance company today, who suggested car keys should be kept away from the doors to the house and in a safe upstairs if possible. Condolences to the family
If they get in (by far your best defense is keeping them out of your house), I wouldn't encourage 3 or 4 balaclava'd thugs with weapons (from knives, crowbars, lump hammers, petrol grinders) upstairs to where my loved ones are.At the risk of getting the same flak as last time...oh dear never mind etc...one solution is to fit mortice locks to internal doors and actually lock them, including bedrooms. The reason for this isn't primarily related to car keys though the situation is the same, it's purely to stop any lowlife visitors from getting access to you and yours.
With two or three mortice locked solid wood doors to get through the feckers will almost certaily give in and koff to an easier steal, or make so much noise at the first door they'll give their presence away.
As per johnxjsc1985 we also have dogs (with us not on patrol) and they raise the alarm at any unusual sound. This won't suit everyone - locks or dogs - but it's my choice not to make it easy to reach us at night and there's the advantage that car keys are safer and we're not simply giving in and hanging the keys up with a 'help yourself' sign nearby. Each to their own
and if anyone wants to give up the key/keys to their car/cars easily that's their choice.Agree with your comments turbobloke. It's all a compromise of how much inconvenience you will accept vs slowing them down or deterring them. I don't like the idea of being locked in my bedroom with my kids locked in their rooms with these scum potentially trying to cut or kick their way in. If I didn't have kids I might go that route but I'll keep my focus on keeping them out of the house for now (maybe I'd go for more severe measures if I had the kind of car they tend to target).
turbobloke said:
This cropped up in a previous thread where an Audi theft was being reported and discussed. The assumption is that once scrotes get in, they have freedom to wander about and get upstairs. This isn't compulsory! Agreed about keeping them out of the house but that's not the end of the game either.
At the risk of getting the same flak as last time...oh dear never mind etc...one solution is to fit mortice locks to internal doors and actually lock them, including bedrooms. The reason for this isn't primarily related to car keys though the situation is the same, it's purely to stop any lowlife visitors from getting access to you and yours.
With two or three mortice locked solid wood doors to get through the feckers will almost certaily give in and koff to an easier steal, or make so much noise at the first door they'll give their presence away.
As per johnxjsc1985 we also have dogs (with us not on patrol) and they raise the alarm at any unusual sound. This won't suit everyone - locks or dogs - but it's my choice not to make it easy to reach us at night and there's the advantage that car keys are safer and we're not simply giving in and hanging the keys up with a 'help yourself' sign nearby. Each to their own and if anyone wants to give up the key/keys to their car/cars easily that's their choice.
concur with the locks before you get to my front door and the Dogs there are two outside doors which are locked. At the risk of getting the same flak as last time...oh dear never mind etc...one solution is to fit mortice locks to internal doors and actually lock them, including bedrooms. The reason for this isn't primarily related to car keys though the situation is the same, it's purely to stop any lowlife visitors from getting access to you and yours.
With two or three mortice locked solid wood doors to get through the feckers will almost certaily give in and koff to an easier steal, or make so much noise at the first door they'll give their presence away.
As per johnxjsc1985 we also have dogs (with us not on patrol) and they raise the alarm at any unusual sound. This won't suit everyone - locks or dogs - but it's my choice not to make it easy to reach us at night and there's the advantage that car keys are safer and we're not simply giving in and hanging the keys up with a 'help yourself' sign nearby. Each to their own
and if anyone wants to give up the key/keys to their car/cars easily that's their choice.We live in quite a quiet remote community that is actually a dead end and strangers stick out like a saw thumb. Plenty of Locks and plenty of lights the brighter the better would definitely help to deter these low life pieces of scum.
Japveesix said:
If you had a samurai sword under your bed none of this would ever have happened to you.
Do I advertise in the local papers that I have a sword under my bed so no one attempts to break in? This would have potentially made the situation worse I come running down the stairs with a sword could have resulted in them holding a knife to my elderly father. was it Anthony Crolla the boxer who ended up with a fractured skull helping a neighbour?. Now he is a very handy lad very used to violence but he was almost killed so on the one hand I think retreat and live to fight another day seems the sensible thing to do people do react differently and if the red mist descends this is when you can get yourself into trouble.
La Liga said:
Worth keeping an eye out for spray paint / other unusual markings outside your driveway.
I'm not as involved with organised crime in terms of two in one burglaries these days but that was what a few gangs across the country were doing.
Some spray paint appeared on a fence at the end of my road recently, it could be a tag but it doesn't look like one really, it reminded me of those hobo symbols.I'm not as involved with organised crime in terms of two in one burglaries these days but that was what a few gangs across the country were doing.
turbobloke said:
Yipper said:
aspecto said:
DUMBO100 said:
Speaking my insurance company today, who suggested car keys should be kept away from the doors to the house and in a safe upstairs if possible. Condolences to the family
I always thought the general rule was to not hide the keys away upstairs. If someone breaks in to your house, they are clearly determined to find the keys. I know that i would want them in my house as little time as possible, so the quicker they find the keys the better. The last thing you want is someone coming upstairs where you and your family are sleeping searching for car keys.If you don't own a garage or a gated driveway, surely the best option to prevent your pride and joy being stolen is to invest in a disklok and OBD disabling software / hardware. It might just be enough to make them think twice about stealing your car.
I have had this done on my car, so the OBD port no longer works without a connector as it has been re-wired internally. Stops them from programming a new key in less than 30 seconds.
or as many locked doors as feasible!Hungrymc said:
DUMBO100 said:
Speaking my insurance company today, who suggested car keys should be kept away from the doors to the house and in a safe upstairs if possible. Condolences to the family
If they get in (by far your best defense is keeping them out of your house), I wouldn't encourage 3 or 4 balaclava'd thugs with weapons (from knives, crowbars, lump hammers, petrol grinders) upstairs to where my loved ones are.At the risk of getting the same flak as last time...oh dear never mind etc...one solution is to fit mortice locks to internal doors and actually lock them, including bedrooms. The reason for this isn't primarily related to car keys though the situation is the same, it's purely to stop any lowlife visitors from getting access to you and yours.
With two or three mortice locked solid wood doors to get through the feckers will almost certaily give in and koff to an easier steal, or make so much noise at the first door they'll give their presence away.
As per johnxjsc1985 we also have dogs (with us not on patrol) and they raise the alarm at any unusual sound. This won't suit everyone - locks or dogs - but it's my choice not to make it easy to reach us at night and there's the advantage that car keys are safer and we're not simply giving in and hanging the keys up with a 'help yourself' sign nearby. Each to their own
and if anyone wants to give up the key/keys to their car/cars easily that's their choice.Worth keeping in mind, however, it is important to have good smoke alarms in a multi-lock house, plus a fast escape route from every part of the house in the event of a fire (e.g. upstairs rope-ladder). Not worth solving one problem (theft) and creating another (fire blockage).
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