I love my car, but worth dying for.....?

I love my car, but worth dying for.....?

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Hungrymc

6,643 posts

136 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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You're right john.... best to try and avoid the red mist by having a plan (I'd say a pragmatic / realistic plan). It's not completely unforeseen that these thugs pay you a visit so it really is worth having a clear minded idea of how to react (which won't be the case if you haven't give it some previous thought).

J4CKO

41,287 posts

199 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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johnxjsc1985 said:
I have three German Shepherds yes they are big and snarly but more importantly they bark like fk if anyone gets near their property.
The best alarm you can get even a couple of Jack Russells would do the job.
I used to work with a bloke who ran the Crescent Pub in Salford, not the most salubrious place, anyway, he got a big dog, Great Dane I thin, to guard the pub, fearsome looking thing, had it less than a week, then it got stolen biggrin

optimate

109 posts

83 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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Most people all be they spout hard man crap on internet feeling safe are simply not willing or prepared to go to the lengths that may be needed. if they go out and intervene in the real world

so stay in the house

optimate

109 posts

83 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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J4CKO said:
I used to work with a bloke who ran the Crescent Pub in Salford, not the most salubrious place, anyway, he got a big dog, Great Dane I thin, to guard the pub, fearsome looking thing, had it less than a week, then it got stolen biggrin
not the best dog to have for a guard dog Danes are a soft as they come originally used as war dogs but due to size it had been bread out of them over the years

there was one case of one biting a intruders hand off. but as a rule there more likely to slobber a intruder to death

SlimJim16v

5,617 posts

142 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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Japveesix said:
If you had a samurai sword under your bed none of this would ever have happened to you.
It's no good under the bed is it wink
Anyway, most swords are too long, so cumbersome indoors. There's a reason the Samurai also carried a short sword.

Locked doors? Downstairs good idea and OK, but wouldn't like them between myself and any family.

Hatson

2,032 posts

121 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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SlimJim16v said:
Japveesix said:
If you had a samurai sword under your bed none of this would ever have happened to you.
It's no good under the bed is it wink
Anyway, most swords are too long, so cumbersome indoors. There's a reason the Samurai also carried a short sword.

Locked doors? Downstairs good idea and OK, but wouldn't like them between myself and any family.
Just arrange things so you have a decent lock on your door and your Samuri doesn't and hope he wins out.


Digby

8,230 posts

245 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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Hungrymc said:
My plan is 1) I'm keeping them out 2) if they get in the keys won't be too hard to find downstairs..
It could be suggested that this is why they continue to rob people.

optimate

109 posts

83 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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seriously how may keyboard hard men are willing to fight to the death without a seconds notice strike without hesitation

not many of you
you likely to chop your self up with a sword if you don't know how to use it

never use a weapon if you do not know how to use it well or your will end up with used on you

most talking hard are the ones that would get a screwdriver stuck in there guts or ear faster than they can blink




optimate

109 posts

83 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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caymanbill said:
This gang of reprobates where caught only last month:

http://news.met.police.uk/news/car-theft-gang-conv...

The ring leader was caught on CCTV in a Mcdonald's drive through in one of their nicked cars. Talk about low IQ.....


""Almost all of the houses that were burgled had uPVC front doors that had not been double locked, allowing the offenders to gain entry very quickly using simple tools."

“I would urge all householders to ensure that their front door is correctly locked at night - this means not only lifting the handle on a uPVC door, but also using the key to lock it. Unless it is locked with the key, the door remains vulnerable to the method employed by the criminals in this case."

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Edited by caymanbill on Monday 24th April 09:55
most can be done with ease by manipulating inner door handle via letter box
also must older upvc doors have old euro cylinder locks that can be snapped in Les than a min with a pair of mole grips

johnxjsc1985

15,948 posts

163 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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optimate said:
seriously how may keyboard hard men are willing to fight to the death without a seconds notice strike without hesitation

not many of you
you likely to chop your self up with a sword if you don't know how to use it

never use a weapon if you do not know how to use it well or your will end up with used on you

most talking hard are the ones that would get a screwdriver stuck in there guts or ear faster than they can blink
If you thought your family may be at risk its hard to say what many of us would do but if the option was to let them go with the keys I would give them a fiver for a gallon of petrol.

optimate

109 posts

83 months

Wednesday 26th April 2017
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no i agree if you have no choice to defend your self and family

but speaking from experience of being from different world to most people live in
I would recommend avoiding it

as things can always go wrong and most people are not prepared for that a kid with a screwdriver and nothing to lose is far more dangerous that you think

there was only one person on this thread that has had the guts to admit the real reason for the current situation
remember that why you vote in the coming election

worse punishment does not stop violence it makes it worse

closing the gap between the poor and the elite is the only thing to reduce violence in society
if you treat people like animals and make them a under class then they will act like animals


the bigger the gap between the poor and the rich the less they have to lose end of story if people want to repress the poor this what you get through out history you only have to look at south Africa, Jamaica, Rio the US ghettos

the rich reap what they sow keep cutting benefits screw the poor expect more violence theirs far worse coming

you can argue all you like but it wont change that simple fact or history. look what happen with the french revolution.


remember this when you vote in the coming election you reap what you sow

I have intervened on my property and sent a message but i am far more prepared to go way further than most
one still walks with a limp from a shatter knee cap from a pick axe handle and other is missing most of his ass cheek from a 64kg Rottweiler and the only reason he did not got eaten was because his ass cheek came away and he got away over fence but i was willing to strike a kill blow to the head if they so much as twitched towards me without blinking or thinking about it



Edited by optimate on Wednesday 26th April 00:21

darker grapefruit

360 posts

99 months

Wednesday 26th April 2017
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optimate said:
no i agree if you have no choice to defend your self and family

but speaking from experience of being from different world to most people live in
I would recommend avoiding it

as things can always go wrong and most people are not prepared for that a kid with a screwdriver and nothing to lose is far more dangerous that you think

there was only one person on this thread that has had the guts to admit the real reason for the current situation
remember that why you vote in the coming election

worse punishment does not stop violence it makes it worse

closing the gap between the poor and the elite is the only thing to reduce violence in society
if you treat people like animals and make them a under class then they will act like animals


the bigger the gap between the poor and the rich the less they have to lose end of story if people want to repress the poor this what you get through out history you only have to look at south Africa, Jamaica, Rio the US ghettos

the rich reap what they sow keep cutting benefits screw the poor expect more violence theirs far worse coming

you can argue all you like but it wont change that simple fact or history. look what happen with the french revolution.


remember this when you vote in the coming election you reap what you sow

I have intervened on my property and sent a message but i am far more prepared to go way further than most
one still walks with a limp from a shatter knee cap from a pick axe handle and other is missing most of his ass cheek from a 64kg Rottweiler and the only reason he did not got eaten was because his ass cheek came away and he got away over fence but i was willing to strike a kill blow to the head if they so much as twitched towards me without blinking or thinking about it



Edited by optimate on Wednesday 26th April 00:21
An interesting amalgam of Karl Marx and Rambo. Well done Sir !

Carlson W6

857 posts

123 months

Wednesday 26th April 2017
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Talking about security does not help. One has to actually assess ones whole exposure and
take steps to lower it.

I see it as underwriting my own risk.

Every year i add more, and i write off the expense in my mind as insurance.

I initially had my property assesed by a professional and took the steps he advised.

tomjol

532 posts

116 months

Wednesday 26th April 2017
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Yipper said:
The trick (beyond better in-car security and CCTV) is to have at least 4 locked doors in the home between the thieves and your keys.

Know someone who owns a garage and got burgled (for his car keys) ~3 times in ~18 months. He always has a decent car on the driveway. He fitted stronger locks outside, stronger locks on all upstair and downstair windows, a strong lock on the interior kitchen door, a strong lock on the living room door, a strong lock on the hallway door, a strong lock on the bedroom door, and motion alarms and lights in each of those 4 rooms. They tried to get the keys twice more in a year, failing both times (ransacked the kitchen and failed to get to the living room), and have since not returned in ~3 years.
Yes, turning your house into a prison is definitely the way to go.

ETA: In fairness, losing your car every six months is a PITA too...

Zetec-S

5,832 posts

92 months

Wednesday 26th April 2017
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rolleyes at the all the internet hardmen emerging on here.

Anecdotal evidence from most threads on this subject suggest that in most cases either the owner doesn't realise they've been broken into and the car stolen until the next morning, or they are threatened with violence and hand over the keys. I see very few (credible) posts from people who've stood up to these kinds of scum and come off better.

Lets face it, say 3 tooled up guys (assume 1 waits in the getaway car) break into your home at 3am, unless you're the sort who sleeps with one eye open you're going to be going from a deep sleep to an adrenaline fuelled fuzzy haze in the space of a few minutes, which is not the ideal state to be going up against 3 guys fully awake and prepared with knives/crowbars/etc.

Yes, a dog might help deter, but if they've planned ahead easily defeated with something like sleeping pills (or they'll just kill it outright). Sleeping next to a baseball bat/samurai sword is fine but are you really going to have room to swing it? (and see the fuzzy haze point above). Extra locks on internal doors is fine as an extra deterrent or delaying tactic, but you need to bear in mind what would happen in the event of a fire.

These guys already have the upper hand - in their mindset they are already prepared to use violence to get what they came for. Sadly proven in this situation.

brianashley

500 posts

84 months

Wednesday 26th April 2017
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optimate said:
Most people all be they spout hard man crap on internet feeling safe are simply not willing or prepared to go to the lengths that may be needed. if they go out and intervene in the real world

so stay in the house
Too much truth , they will go nuts ! So many hard men turn to pussies when it gets real.

Hungrymc

6,643 posts

136 months

Wednesday 26th April 2017
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Digby said:
It could be suggested that this is why they continue to rob people.
Possibly. But bear in mind they are going to have to be very committed to get in.... I'm pretty confident that they wont - but if they do, they'll have to be very well equipped and at that point I'm far, far more worried about my kids and my safety than a couple of well insured and tracked cars.

You are right though, ultimately they do it because they get away with it. It could equally be argued that the reason innocent people keep getting hurt and killed is they charge into situations with a complete underestimation of the desperation / brutality that they are about to encounter. If the poor chap in the article really was ran over twice - that shows you the mentality of these scum.

I don't mean to criticise anyone who is prepared to go to extremes to defend a car. I'm only saying it should be an eyes wide open situation - know what you're getting into and be honest with yourself about how far you are prepared to go. I hope it never happens to you or anyone on here. Unfortunately I know many for whom it already has.

brianashley

500 posts

84 months

Wednesday 26th April 2017
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In a House. Unless you really are going 'full monty " with a sawn off . Then you want nothing that is longer than about a foot. You cannot wave things around on a landing. Also a 'thrust type" attack is more effective . In the car .I carry a can of wd40 with the red spray tube glued in and cut down to 3 inches. That is enough to form a very strong jet that would get anyone in the face from up to about 7 feet away. That stuff stings and causes "Panic" as they have no idea what it is at the time. Distance is the key .The moment they can touch you , you are in danger. .Go out with a big bag and nick a gas type fire extinguisher .Play with the nozzle a bit and that will project much further and cause havoc. You are also then left with it to throw or hit them. works a treat on dogs. Have a piece of furniture at the top of the stairs that if pushed would block of the stairs at the top or push it down the stairs etc . .if you have little time, start smashing your own windows at the front of the house. make noise and also scream like merry FK. Wake the neighbours up ! And it also gives you a escape route .

But all of this is only to be done IF you are been attacked and hurt. Most of these scum make a shed load of noise, want to get out as quickly as possible without a fight . let them take the car . let them take the money etc . Whats important is "survival" .

johnxjsc1985

15,948 posts

163 months

Wednesday 26th April 2017
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About 12 years ago I saw a young man (18-20)walk past my front window on my drive and he shouldn't have been there and he had climbed my fence to get access to my property
I did see the red mist and without thought went to confront him and put him on his arse without any conversation taking place.
As I held him down whilst my wife phoned the Police three men turned up at my gate to say he had stolen their kids bikes and they wanted to do him real harm.
I then had to persuade them it would not be a good idea to come on to my property hoping in the meantime the Police would turn up which they didn't.
I calmed them down and handed the scumbag to them under the agreement if he showed them where the bike was they wouldn't harm him (which I knew they would) they also had his friend with them who had been given a slap or two.
Off they went and the Police turned up 45 mins later complaining they were busy and I should complain to the Chief Constable.
One of the men came back later to apologise and say they had their kids bikes back.
On reflection I could have been seriously hurt if not from the intruder but the three men chasing him who were really wound up.
I wouldn't do it again although I admired the guys way of taking the law into their own hands and getting a verdict and a sentence all within the space of an hour or two.
As mentioned previously in the thread I now have 3 German Shepherds.

patmahe

5,744 posts

203 months

Wednesday 26th April 2017
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When I was younger I had a Lotus Elise, as I had no space it was kept at my parents house. I was always fearful that someone would come into the house and try to get the keys. It worried me to the extent that I had a chat with my Dad and told him if anyone ever tried to take it let them, I even left the keys somewhere obvious in the house so they​ could find them quickly.

Thankfully nothing ever happened, but I did breath a sigh of relief the day I sold that car for that reason. Sad that we have to think like that but there you go. I have a tatty NA MX5 now, can't see too many breaking into the house over it but I guess you never know.