RE: Honda claims new Civic Type R Nurburgring record

RE: Honda claims new Civic Type R Nurburgring record

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ultimateporka

133 posts

145 months

Monday 24th April 2017
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macky17 said:
Anything different or unfamiliar is branded as ugly to begin with. Once we have acclimatised to seeing them everywhere it will cease to jar. I think this would look very mean in black. And to say it will be ugly because you've seen the base car on the road is overly simplistic - it's amazing what a decent stance/wheels can do to any car. The only problem I have with the styling of the cooking models is they sit far too high.
Seating position in the last gen was pretty good I thought.

Agreed around stance. Wheels lowering springs and splitters was all what we could afford in the old days but it made the difference aesthetically

driftingphil

138 posts

146 months

Monday 24th April 2017
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I like it, apart from the rear that is. Must have had an off at some point in testing as the left quarter has damage If you look closely.

thegreenhell

15,115 posts

218 months

Monday 24th April 2017
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ultimateporka said:
Funny how no one has pointed out that VW may have tweaked the clubsport at the ring.
The thing with the Golf was that when Sport Auto did their independent Supertest they got within about 7 seconds of VW's own time. This was in a showroom spec car that they independently measured the power and weight of. Taking into account they said they only had one hour of tracktime in the car to set a lap then it is generally considered that the official Golf time was probably kosher.

When they tested the 2015 Civic under the same regime they were 25 seconds slower than Honda's time.

otolith

55,899 posts

203 months

Monday 24th April 2017
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ultimateporka said:
Funny how no one has pointed out that VW may have tweaked the clubsport at the ring.
VW? Cheat on a test? Surely their integrity can be trusted?

laugh

Housey

2,076 posts

226 months

Monday 24th April 2017
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When a norm takes a car from a showroom around close to that I'll take it seriously. Until then, stick up your sphincter Honda and every other manufacturer with the "representation of a road car" BS.

howardhughes

980 posts

203 months

Monday 24th April 2017
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We once did the ring in 30 mins or so. Nice and steady. Some lovely views of the hills and trees.

We even stopped for coffee too. Very civilised.

RacerMike

4,192 posts

210 months

Monday 24th April 2017
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ZX10R NIN said:
And you've never had an off?

I've ridden lots of high powered bikes on tracks & have come off on a few occasions.

As I've said earlier VW had a cage & an optimised car (whatever that means) all of them seem to do it now the last true FWD Production time actually belongs to the Megane & that had a cage as standard.
Touch wood no. I came close in an SUV on all seasons at Kallenhard in the wet (it gripped just as it got to the edge of the circuit), but it's still generally possible to drive on it, but safely....

DonaldTrump

770 posts

181 months

Monday 24th April 2017
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So the Civic Type-R continues to get uglier with each incarnation.

Regiment

2,799 posts

158 months

Monday 24th April 2017
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DonaldTrump said:
So the Civic Type-R continues to get uglier with each incarnation.
Best looking Civic they've ever done.

Axionknight

8,505 posts

134 months

Monday 24th April 2017
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I own an FK2. I appreciate that its looks are divisive, I didn't like it in the photos in the original press releases but when I saw one in the flesh it clicked, it's a bit bonkers but it works IMO.

This thing, in the photos at least, looks like a total dogs dinner. I don't like the standard/ none cooking models that I've seen on the road/forecourt so it's off to a bad start but I'll have to reserve judgement until I see one of these Type R's in the flesh because it might make me change my mind like the FK2 did, time will tell.

FourRingedDonuts

107 posts

123 months

Monday 24th April 2017
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otolith said:
No chance, the manufacturers have all fallen for the premium tyre marketing and don't realise they could have something just as good out of a Chinese ship container for £30 a corner. silly
It's not April 1st again is it? Can you really get Cheap Chinese rubber that perform like Cup2's etc?

treetops

1,177 posts

157 months

Monday 24th April 2017
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You can get a transit van round in under 10 mins! It's all PR fluff. I'd like to see all those hot hatches race each other round!

Ved

3,825 posts

174 months

Monday 24th April 2017
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Regiment said:
DonaldTrump said:
So the Civic Type-R continues to get uglier with each incarnation.
Best looking Civic they've ever done.
I can't agree with that. This is what you get with a global car - one that is designed to break into the US market. It's an awful mess of a design but clearly a phenomenal thing to get down a road at pace. Well done to Honda UK.

BTW the 6th generation EK9 is by far the best looking Civic Type-R.

FN2TypeR

7,091 posts

92 months

Monday 24th April 2017
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treetops said:
You can get a transit van round in under 10 mins! It's all PR fluff. I'd like to see all those hot hatches race each other round!
Well, no offence, I doubt that YOU could get a Transit around in just under ten minutes - but somebody who knows the place inside out could (although I'm making an assumption there in fairness), even still, that's around one minute and fourty to fifty seconds slower than these things and their rivals.

Which is a lot.

Edited by FN2TypeR on Monday 24th April 22:18

Vyse

1,224 posts

123 months

Monday 24th April 2017
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Best looking Type R is the FD2

Onehp

1,617 posts

282 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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thegreenhell said:
The thing with the Golf was that when Sport Auto did their independent Supertest they got within about 7 seconds of VW's own time. This was in a showroom spec car that they independently measured the power and weight of. Taking into account they said they only had one hour of tracktime in the car to set a lap then it is generally considered that the official Golf time was probably kosher.

When they tested the 2015 Civic under the same regime they were 25 seconds slower than Honda's time.
Finally someone speaking some sense.

Oz83

687 posts

138 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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Vyse said:
Best looking Type R is the FD2
Best looking Type-R is the NSX...IMO :-)
I agree the best looking Civic is the FD2. Prefer the first generation DC5 to the FD2 though.

A couple of things about this record lap...

1. Who cares anymore? Nobody believes these laps. Honda are about 5 years late to this Nurburgring willy waving craze. It will probably help their marketing campaign in equal amounts as their tragic F1 performance will damage it.
2. When they have to make a car that is so damn ugly in the name of performance, what's the point?

Let's get back to cleaner, classier designs. Ok the Civic isn't a looker to begin with, but it's not a race car is it. The Civic should be a practical hot hatchback. Your customers have to drive this to work without looking a complete wally.

Please Honda, as a previous Type-R owner in my 'youth', I really want to buy a Type-R but you're making it very difficult.

MCBrowncoat

864 posts

145 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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macky17 said:
Anything different or unfamiliar is branded as ugly to begin with. Once we have acclimatised to seeing them everywhere it will cease to jar. I think this would look very mean in black. And to say it will be ugly because you've seen the base car on the road is overly simplistic - it's amazing what a decent stance/wheels can do to any car. The only problem I have with the styling of the cooking models is they sit far too high.
Hmm, no not sure about that! A white one drove past me near Richmond Park a couple of weekends back, so exactly the same as in the pictures here, not a base car and no question, in the flesh it is absolutely gopping. I actually thought it was weird JDM import variant until I read this article. What you don't get from the pictures here is how very big it seems (especially the front end) and how weirdly proportioned it is from the side on. Doesn't really look like a hatchback.

MustardCutter

238 posts

119 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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Pistonheads; where large numbers of car "enthusiasts" come together to moan about manufacturers demonstrating how fast their cars can go...

otolith

55,899 posts

203 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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FourRingedDonuts said:
otolith said:
No chance, the manufacturers have all fallen for the premium tyre marketing and don't realise they could have something just as good out of a Chinese ship container for £30 a corner. silly
It's not April 1st again is it? Can you really get Cheap Chinese rubber that perform like Cup2's etc?
You can get something that's just as round and black as a cup2, and will definitely keep your wheel rims off the tarmac and get you an MOT. These are the things that matter in setting a sub-8 minute lap,

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